Yakemchuk / Parekh / Silayev / Dickinson / Buium

[coooldude]

At time of draft, and for the Sharks, I had them Buium, Dickinson, Yakemchuk.

It has only been a few preseason games but I might put Yak in front of Dick. Any of them could be the best of the three or the best of the class, Dickinson being most likely to hit a floor but possibly less likely to hit a ceiling, but it's all f***ing reading tea leaves until 5 years from now, so who knows?

 

[majormajor]

I had Buium 1st and Yak 2nd at the draft, and I'll try to stick with that. Very encouraged by Yak's game last night.

Its important to evaluate them on their own but I like the situational straight lines to success that Dickinson and Parekh have. Yak will have Sanderson and Chabot to contend with. Buium with Faber is less of an obstacle but still an obstacle. Silayev is buried.

Are you paying any attention to sidedness here? Buium has no one stopping him from being a top 4 D and possibly Faber's D partner. They don't play the same side. Chabot and/or Sanderson will be Yakemchuk's D partner, they're LD and the other RD is Zub.

Dickinson in particular with his two way ability and that developing core is in a very special situation IMO. '25 draft top end is all forwards - Martone (RW), Misa (LW), Frondell (C), Hagens (C)....chances are a high end winger for either Smith or Celebrini is in the cards. The one that doesn't click with Eklund. Crazy PP time comin' here on top of his all around ability.

Great poll - been waiting for this.

Dickinson is relatively ready to go in the NHL but the Sharks are not. Big minutes on a bad team means bad results.

 

[dgibb10]

I like Dickinson and Silayev.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Yak is a RHD, so really Zub is his only legitimate competition. Dickinson is a great player and has the highest floor easily, but he's essentially a less intelligent Sanderson imho.

Right on the RHD - good point, but I don't buy the "a less intelligent Sanderson" description of Dickinson for a micro second.

• 6-foot-3 and 195 pounds
• one of the youngest players in his draft class
• mental maturity
• highly-effective defender, and stands out amongst his peers for his aggressiveness, defensive intelligence
• With the puck, he’s decisive and explosive, drawing in forechecking pressure only to leave it in his dust as he carries the puck from zone to zone unimpeded

He's a special player being put in a tremendous situation and I think a lot of people sleep on him. He easily stands out to me as the safest.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Dickinson, easy choice IMO

Had him before the draft and nothing has made me change that opinion

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Right on the RHD - good point, but I don't buy the "a less intelligent Sanderson" description of Dickinson for a micro second.

• 6-foot-3 and 195 pounds
• one of the youngest players in his draft class
• mental maturity
• highly-effective defender, and stands out amongst his peers for his aggressiveness, defensive intelligence
• With the puck, he’s decisive and explosive, drawing in forechecking pressure only to leave it in his dust as he carries the puck from zone to zone unimpeded

He's a special player being put in a tremendous situation and I think a lot of people sleep on him. He easily stands out to me as the safest.

Not saying Dickinson is dumb, but Sanderson's IQ is ethereal. Dickinson is going to be an excellent Dman and is almost certain to be a #4 all sitatuations Dman at worst if he doesn't get injury problems. But I don't feel he's going to have near the same offensive upside as everyone else. He could become like a Slavin-esque Dman in the future, but as fantastic as Slavin is, he's not going to be favoured league wise over Dman that can completely take over the game consistently.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Not saying Dickinson is dumb, but Sanderson's IQ is ethereal. Dickinson is going to be an excellent Dman and is almost certain to be a #4 all situations Dman at worst if he doesn't get injury problems. But I don't feel he's going to have near the same offensive upside as everyone else. He could become like a Slavin-esque Dman in the future, but as fantastic as Slavin is, he's not going to be favored league wise over Dman that can completely take over the game consistently.

Slavin, eh?...that's really saying something.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

The question I have is what exactly did the Ottawa scouts see in Yakemchuk that allowed them to pass on everyone else? The all around safe skills of Dickinson, the deadly offence in Parekh and the complete game in Buium (and Silayev as well)? Was Yak the natural athlete?

Everyone said it was a reach and now, doesn't look that way - leading this poll lol

 

[majormajor]

The question I have is what exactly did the Ottawa scouts see in Yakemchuk that allowed them to pass on everyone else?

Probably the physical huge beast with incredible dangles and a whole array of elite shots?

The question with Yak ought to be how do you miss him.

I'm not saying he's perfect, he's still got those super awkward pivots. I'm saying he's the exact sort of player you ought to be immediately smitten with and have to make yourself coldly study the risks that come with his game so you don't take him too high.

Everyone said it was a reach and now, doesn't look that way - leading this poll lol

That's called learning.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

Probably the physical huge beast with incredible dangles and a whole array of elite shots?

The question with Yak ought to be how do you miss him.

So he sounds a bit like Hamilton did at the same time. Size and shot.

 

[majormajor]

So he sounds a bit like Hamilton did at the same time. Size and shot.

Hamilton if Hamilton wanted to kill you.

 

[dgibb10]

Not saying Dickinson is dumb, but Sanderson's IQ is ethereal. Dickinson is going to be an excellent Dman and is almost certain to be a #4 all sitatuations Dman at worst if he doesn't get injury problems. But I don't feel he's going to have near the same offensive upside as everyone else. He could become like a Slavin-esque Dman in the future, but as fantastic as Slavin is, he's not going to be favoured league wise over Dman that can completely take over the game consistently.

NHL fans don't throw out Jaccob Slavin or Ryan McDonagh as a comp for every single young/prospect dman that doesn't project as a PP quarterback challenge (impossible).

 

[wetcoast]

There is zero chance anyone here has seen all of these players enough to have an informed opinion on this.

You are probably right but they might be a handful of people.

the problem I see here is one of projection and development and for that reason I took Sam Dickinson who has the type of game and profile to play the most NHL games from this group assuming everyone has good health.

 

[MM917]

I wanted Parekh before Calgary took him so not choosing him just because he is a Flame. Dickenson was a close second but I think Parekh has the higher ceiling so went with him. Yak is ok and maybe I am biased against him since he is a Hitman but he is a step down but clearly 3rd in the list for me.

I had zero interest in Bulum before the draft, less interest in him now. He is a distant 4th for me.

 

[biturbo19]

Sammy Dickskin for me. He may not have the flashiest upside, but he's got every tool you want in a Top-3 Defenceman and with the smarts and ease he plays the game, there's upside to be even more than that.


Second i'd probably lean toward Zeev. He's got a little more of that dynamic sizzle, but a little less of a "sure thing" and might end up being more of an offensive guy, rather than the sort of high leverage, heavy minutes sort of guy that i think Dickinson projects as.

 

[Crow]

I went with Dickinson as well. Wouldn’t even have minded him at 2 OA that much. Think San Jose had an amazing draft, but what do I know anyway.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I had Yakemchuk for the right side and Buium for the left side, and ranked in that order.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

All I know is every single one will definitely hit their ceiling

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Buium.

 

[biturbo19]

NHL fans don't throw out Jaccob Slavin or Ryan McDonagh as a comp for every single young/prospect dman that doesn't project as a PP quarterback challenge (impossible).

True story.


Really though, i'm not even totally sure Dickinson won't find some PP success at the NHL level. Maybe not a true "quarterback", but he's got better mobility than either of those guys, and he's far from offensively inept. Smart players with solid puck skills and top notch skating, can find ways to contribute on the powerplay. I don't see any reason you couldn't compare his "upside" to a "bigger Josh Morrissey", or something in that vein.

 

[dgibb10]

True story.


Really though, i'm not even totally sure Dickinson won't find some PP success at the NHL level. Maybe not a true "quarterback", but he's got better mobility than either of those guys, and he's far from offensively inept. Smart players with solid puck skills and top notch skating, can find ways to contribute on the powerplay. I don't see any reason you couldn't compare his "upside" to a "bigger Josh Morrissey", or something in that vein.

Also, people pretend McDonagh and Slavvin aren't effective offensive players.

McDonagh scored at a rate equivalent to PK Subban through their primes EV. He just didn't QB the power play.

Same with slavin, who's been a consistent top 20-25ish dman in terms of EV production.

People can't seperate offensive ability for a dman with "being a PP qb" since such a high % of basically all dmans points come on the power play, especially compared to forwards

 

[Patty Ice]

Don't forget Schaeffer, if he is still touted as a 2nd-3rd overall player sharks would do really well to grab him could be a special d-core in the making with him, Dickinson and muk

Don't sleep on Cagnoni. He has that dog in him to go with high offensive skills.

As for the question, I still like Yak's potential out of all of em. He could be something special.

 

[MNRube]

Silayev for me. Very happy we got Buium but I had Silayev higher.

 

[biturbo19]

Also, people pretend McDonagh and Slavvin aren't effective offensive players.

McDonagh scored at a rate equivalent to PK Subban through their primes EV. He just didn't QB the power play.

Same with slavin, who's been a consistent top 20-25ish dman in terms of EV production.

People can't seperate offensive ability for a dman with "being a PP qb" since such a high % of basically all dmans points come on the power play, especially compared to forwards

Also very true. That's where smart, mobile defenceman with even just decent puck skills...typically level off at a similar sort of level of even strength production. Or at least, within a comparable range. The raw totals are skewed so heavily by PP success, and even just PP deployment.

But what that tells you is typically more just, "is the guy on the top PP Unit or not?" More than anything else.

 

[Siignal]

I'm also here for the recency bias