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BusinessGoose

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If they lose. They lose win.
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Andy99

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As I said in another thread, the Pens celebrating The Dead tonight is just the Pens celebrating the current team lol…highly prescient
 

Jag68Sid87

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Well here comes a mini-rant. I might be one of the few left but I cannot subscribe to the theory that a coaching change won't change much. Or that we WANT Mike Sullivan to keep coaching this team because they can bottom out. Eff all of that.

Enough of this loser mentality (aka Boston Red Sox mentality). A coaching change does not solve all, and I believe everybody knows this. Does not mean it is not the most obvious, necessary and no-brainer move to make right now. This team is too old. Even my 13-year-old niece could figure this one out. So fire the damn idiot that refuses to play younger players. The guy who decides to sit the two latest call-ups that the GM made so that they can watch and learn the culture of this team. WHAT? The culture sucks. The team is going nowhere fast. Fire his ass and get some younger, fresher legs on the ice (instead of in the press box). And if you have to sit (or waive or trade) a few vets along the way, perhaps even a few Boston U products (you know, the Grzelcyk's and Nieto's of this world), oh well.

This team is nowhere near as bad as pre-Mario Penguins. Nowhere near as bad as pre-Sidney Penguins. They just have a fossil behind the bench who is ruining basically everything, because the trickle-down effect of having him still coaching this franchise is massive right now. It sure does not help that we have a GM that seemingly has no balls. It would be nice if he found them sometime between now and my next mini-rant, which I guess is now bordering on maxi-rant. But whatever.

Fire his damn ass. I cannot watch this any longer. I sat through the entire Carolina game. All of the Rangers game. All of the Minnesota game. But last night, I simply could not. It is now to the point where my Penguins are reaching my Jets (NY not Wpg) in terms of futility. But I still believe it simply does not have to be this way.

Washington is basically doing what Dubas said he wanted this team to do, but is not. So it can be done. And, our four veterans are better than theirs. In fact, two of their four are basically retired now because of injury. So Washington might have been even better than they are currently with a healthy Oshie and a healthy Backstrom. The Caps realized the ship was sinking way earlier than the Penguins have (have the Penguins even realized it?). They kept more firsts than we did. Some of those guys have paid dividends, like McMichael and Protas, both playing great hockey this season. And they made shrewd moves, like the Strome pickup for free. Would Sullivan like Dylan Strome as a hockey player? Of course not.

And the biggest move D.C. made was actually going with an unproven HC. Hey, if their captain, franchise player and legend can accept that, why can't ours? Hell, Carbery even moved OV to right wing. The last time somebody tried that, Dale Hunter was one and done as Capitals head coach. But it seems to be working.

There is no excuse for having Fossil Sullivan behind the bench any longer. The St. Louis frickin' Blues were dead last in the NHL in 2018-19, fired their coach shortly after and won the Cup. WE have done something similar TWICE, and we won a Cup. Ironically, this same organization is hanging onto a 10-year HC when all signs point to him being a MASSIVE reason for why this team can't get out of its own way. How does Crosby not see this? Dubas, FSG, they weren't here. But the core guys were here. They all breathed a breath of fresh air when both Bylsma first and then Sullivan second were hired. At that time, ANYTHING was better than sticking with Therrien and Johnston.

Gentlemen, open your damn eyes. We are back to the future.

/rant
 

DesertPenguin

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Let's fantasize for a sec. If the Pens cut Sully loose, who could they get? Vellucci is the only internal candidate I'd consider. Quinn and Sully are too closely linked and we shouldn't be rewarding the coach of this D core. Outside the org, what coaches are sitting on the couch waiting for a call?
 

Freeptop

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Let's fantasize for a sec. If the Pens cut Sully loose, who could they get? Vellucci is the only internal candidate I'd consider. Quinn and Sully are too closely linked and we shouldn't be rewarding the coach of this D core. Outside the org, what coaches are sitting on the couch waiting for a call?
I say we rewards the Pens for how they've been playing and bring back Therrien :sarcasm:
 
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SomeDude

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Let's fantasize for a sec. If the Pens cut Sully loose, who could they get? Vellucci is the only internal candidate I'd consider. Quinn and Sully are too closely linked and we shouldn't be rewarding the coach of this D core. Outside the org, what coaches are sitting on the couch waiting for a call?
If they actually fired Sullivan, it would be Quinn. The only way they could be talked out of finally getting rid of Sully is if they replace him with his clone.
 

Darren McCord

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Let's fantasize for a sec. If the Pens cut Sully loose, who could they get? Vellucci is the only internal candidate I'd consider. Quinn and Sully are too closely linked and we shouldn't be rewarding the coach of this D core. Outside the org, what coaches are sitting on the couch waiting for a call?

Does it matter? I don't care who it is. Bring ups Kirk MacDonald for all I care. He has been doing a good job in WBS to start the season.

Have an interim coach for the year and make a new hire next summer.
 

Ulf5

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In Loving Memory of Bryan Marchment, please Sharks, kick Sullivan's ass. That is all.
 

BobCole

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Yeah this is the first time in memory that I'm cheering against the Pens in a game. Like others have said, we should be under no delusions that a coaching change transforms this team into a Playoff team overnight, but at this point, he needs to be replaced in order for the culture of this team to shift. I'm cheering for as many losses as it takes for that to happen.
 

DesertedPenguin

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Let's fantasize for a sec. If the Pens cut Sully loose, who could they get? Vellucci is the only internal candidate I'd consider. Quinn and Sully are too closely linked and we shouldn't be rewarding the coach of this D core. Outside the org, what coaches are sitting on the couch waiting for a call?
Well, anyone tied directly to an NHL coaching staff is likely unavailable. That takes out current head coaches and assistant coaches.

Edmonton made the rare decision to hire another team's AHL coach when it fired Jay Woodcroft last November and hired Kris Knoblauch from the Rangers' Hartford Wolf Pack.

So, theoretically, relatively respected guys like Todd Nelson (Hershey), Karl Taylor (Milwaukee), and John Gruden (Toronto) could be available, along with WBS' Kirk MacDonald (who is pretty inexperienced).

Currently unemployed coaches with notable NHL experience include Gerard Gallant, Todd McLellan, and Jay Woodcroft.

Of the coaches mentioned, Woodcroft and Nelson are about the only ones who remotely interest me.
 

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