WWE: WWE TV - Raw & Smackdown Part 3

[Chuck Testa]

I didn't say he would. Read the post again.

Oh what I said had nothing to do with your post. It was completely unintended if it came off that way.

I suppose quoting your post would suggest otherwise but trust me that's not what I meant to do.

I was just saying outright how I don't think Dom should ever be the guy who dethrones Gunther. Can't stand that f***ing kid.

 

[BruinDust]

Oh what I said had nothing to do with your post. It was completely unintended if it came off that way.

I suppose quoting your post would suggest otherwise but trust me that's not what I meant to do.

I was just saying outright how I don't think Dom should ever be the guy who dethrones Gunther. Can't stand that f***ing kid.

He won't. They are doing Sami vs. Gunther at WM.

 

[TD Charlie]

Even Priest cashing in on Gunther is a terrible idea, lol.

I like Priest, so I’d be happy for the guy. But if we are to be taking Gunther seriously, and we should, there’s no way he should drop it to Priest

 

[Chuck Testa]

He won't. They are doing Sami vs. Gunther at WM.

Now Sami is a guy I could get behind.

 

[Sheppy]

I can see a multi-man ladder match for both the IC and US titles at WM - Maybe they open both shows?

 

[BruinDust]

Now Sami is a guy I could get behind.

He's due for a big singles win. Although it may not come at WM but I can see that program with Gunther continuing into the next couple PPVs after WM 40.

Say Sami beats Gunther a couple months down the road takes the title. Gunther then moves up to WH title scene. Sami then starts a program with Jey Uso over the IC belt that carries both to Summerslam where Jey goes over for his first singles title win.

I think at one point Sami was the guy pegged to take on Rollins at WM, but then CM Punk became available out-of-the-blue.. Getting Gunther at WM 40 is a pretty good consolation prize. Those two could tear the house down as both can work with any style.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Priest is in a horrible situation. MITB holder while 3 of the four title holders are in long reigns that should absolutely not be ended by a f***ed finish.

Probably the best option is a cash in on Drew, which would trigger a ton of material for Drew to cut some more great promos, but it's a heel cashing in on a heel.

Overall, they just need to do away with the gimmick. We're in an era where they're trying to treat the titles much more seriously. (And they should) A MITB cash in, short of being previously announced, cripples the legitimacy of a title run.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Priest is in a horrible situation. MITB holder while 3 of the four title holders are in long reigns that should absolutely not be ended by a f***ed finish.

Probably the best option is a cash in on Drew, which would trigger a ton of material for Drew to cut some more great promos, but it's a heel cashing in on a heel.

Overall, they just need to do away with the gimmick. We're in an era where they're trying to treat the titles much more seriously. (And they should) A MITB cash in, short of being previously announced, cripples the legitimacy of a title run.

I suppose he could always cash in right as Drew is about to finish off Rollins, so while he is screwing Drew over, he is still pinning Seth

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I suppose he could always cash in right as Drew is about to finish off Rollins, so while he is screwing Drew over, he is still pinning Seth

I don't think it matters who he pins. (Actually worse if he picks Seth, IMO)

Imagine a UFC fight where the two kick the shit out of each other, go the distance, the decision is made, and after the guy is beat to shit, some fresh fighter runs in and makes him fight right then and there. Nobody is taking that guy seriously as the champ.

It worked 5 years ago when the title didn't really mean a whole lot and it just hot-potatoed between whoever they wanted to push. Now they've got one title on their #1 guy for almost four years, one title on their #2 or #3 guy for almost a year, and one title on the guy they're essentially building as the new "Final Boss" Lesnar role for over a year and a half.

They've made incredible strides to legitimize those belts, even with Roman's shitty finishes. No need to ruin it with MITB f***ery.

 

[BruinDust]

Priest is in a horrible situation. MITB holder while 3 of the four title holders are in long reigns that should absolutely not be ended by a f***ed finish.

Probably the best option is a cash in on Drew, which would trigger a ton of material for Drew to cut some more great promos, but it's a heel cashing in on a heel.

Overall, they just need to do away with the gimmick. We're in an era where they're trying to treat the titles much more seriously. (And they should) A MITB cash in, short of being previously announced, cripples the legitimacy of a title run.

Storyline-wise it's probably the best bet. Drew's story is he wants his big world title win in front of fans, unlike his 2020 WM victory.

One way or another having Priest walk out of WM as WH champ fits heel McIntyre. Having McIntyre prevail at WM seems strange for a heel with a redemption story.

 

[Unholy Diver]

I don't think it matters who he pins. (Actually worse if he picks Seth, IMO)

Imagine a UFC fight where the two kick the shit out of each other, go the distance, the decision is made, and after the guy is beat to shit, some fresh fighter runs in and makes him fight right then and there. Nobody is taking that guy seriously as the champ.

It worked 5 years ago when the title didn't really mean a whole lot and it just hot-potatoed between whoever they wanted to push. Now they've got one title on their #1 guy for almost four years, one title on their #2 or #3 guy for almost a year, and one title on the guy they're essentially building as the new "Final Boss" Lesnar role for over a year and a half.

They've made incredible strides to legitimize those belts, even with Roman's shitty finishes. No need to ruin it with MITB f***ery.

Unfortunately this is where they are, they waited this long for him to use the cash-in so they have kind of painted themselves into a corner, maybe Priest just uses it and tells them he is cashing it in to make the WM match a 3 way instead of the "heel" cash-in when the two other guys have already killed each other

 

[Jussi]

I can see a multi-man ladder match for both the IC and US titles at WM - Maybe they open both shows?

I thin that would be good for both titles.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Unfortunately this is where they are, they waited this long for him to use the cash-in so they have kind of painted themselves into a corner, maybe Priest just uses it and tells them he is cashing it in to make the WM match a 3 way instead of the "heel" cash-in when the two other guys have already killed each other

Way I'm seeing it is:

They put the briefcase on Theory and had to rip the band-aid off and take it off him ASAP because they had no intention of taking the belt off Roman and didn't want to build it further to hurt Theory.

Now they're prolonging it with Priest because they again don't want to take the belts off any of the guys they're currently on.

It's been two years of nothing with MITB because MITB would f*** up their plans. When the gimmick is booking you into a corner, it's time to get rid of the gimmick.

Honestly, the best way out of it might be Finn stealing the briefcase, going to cash in, and failing. Keeps the title legitimate, gives Priest some babyface energy, gives Finn some heel heat, and gives both Finn and Priest an immediate angle that quickly gets them past the "Haha Finn fell on his face" fallout of a failed cash-in.

 

[Sheppy]

I also agree, get rid of MITB for a year or two.

 

[Unholy Diver]

Way I'm seeing it is:

They put the briefcase on Theory and had to rip the band-aid off and take it off him ASAP because they had no intention of taking the belt off Roman and didn't want to build it further to hurt Theory.

Now they're prolonging it with Priest because they again don't want to take the belts off any of the guys they're currently on.

It's been two years of nothing with MITB because MITB would f*** up their plans. When the gimmick is booking you into a corner, it's time to get rid of the gimmick.

Honestly, the best way out of it might be Finn stealing the briefcase, going to cash in, and failing. Keeps the title legitimate, gives Priest some babyface energy, gives Finn some heel heat, and gives both Finn and Priest an immediate angle that quickly gets them past the "Haha Finn fell on his face" fallout of a failed cash-in.

I forgot that Theory even had it, it seems like Priest has had it for a few years, yeah I agree it is probably time for the MITB to take some time away

 

[sansabri]

keep MITB and simply remove the 'cash-in anytime like a weasel' clause

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

keep MITB and simply remove the 'cash-in anytime like a weasel' clause

I briefly thought that while writing the post... But I don't think that really works either.

At that point you're just challenging for a title. Without a ranking system (Which I don't think works anyways) what's the difference between any other title challenge?

 

[sansabri]

I briefly thought that while writing the post... But I don't think that really works either.

At that point you're just challenging for a title. Without a ranking system (Which I don't think works anyways) what's the difference between any other title challenge?

it's really no different to winning the Royal Rumble or EC - except it's not as the main event of WM. it's just a shot at the title of your choosing

 

[Sheppy]

it's really no different to winning the Royal Rumble or EC - except it's not as the main event of WM. it's just a shot at the title of your choosing

But I mean... technically with briefcase winners, they can call their shot at Wrestlemania, no?

Or just be Charlotte and cash in your Charlotte in the bank.

 

[sansabri]

But I mean... technically with briefcase winners, they can call their shot at Wrestlemania, no?

Or just be Charlotte and cash in your Charlotte in the bank.

yeah, the whole thing is dumb. not a fan of the RR winner getting the main event (dunno when that started again)

 

[Khelandros]

I briefly thought that while writing the post... But I don't think that really works either.

At that point you're just challenging for a title. Without a ranking system (Which I don't think works anyways) what's the difference between any other title challenge?

it's really no different to winning the Royal Rumble or EC - except it's not as the main event of WM. it's just a shot at the title of your choosing

Keep it as MITB, but have it for a title match of the winners choosing at Summer Slam.

 

[Sheppy]

Keep it as MITB, but have it for a title match of the winners choosing at Summer Slam.

I don't hate this if they're going to keep it around. I'll always hate it as a stand alone PPV, though.

 

[The Gongshow]

I don't hate this if they're going to keep it around. I'll always hate it as a stand alone PPV, though.

I miss when it was a Mania program. Just added to the fun of it and made it seem like a bigger deal with qualifying matches to get on the Mania card. That way, you could skip a yesr or two to keep it fresh, but instead they have it as basically the 5th most important PLE of the year. Just like Hell in a Cell, TLC and even to an extent EC (although this has the Mania implication so it's fine) leave the gi.icm matches as just that, not a yearly event they shoehorn in

 

[Fro]

Yeah just bring it back as a WM match and you have until the end of the calendar year...doesn't interfere with the ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA

 

[BruinDust]

Yeah just bring it back as a WM match and you have until the end of the calendar year...doesn't interfere with the ROAD TO WRESTLEMANIA

A time limit of some sort would definitely freshen the MITB briefcase concept up. Maybe create a sense of urgency. As it stands, there is no official rule that states how long the briefcase holder can wait.

At the same time, a story where there are two briefcase holders at the same time from consecutive years would also be a change of pace.