WWE: WWE TV - Raw & Smackdown Part 3

[Sheppy]

And it also has to be a big event, if not WM, then Summer Slam

Exactly.

 

[I Eat Crow]

It's stupid for him to lose his title in a multi-man match.

Winning a four way gives him more legitimacy and makes whoever pins him look really strong

Winning on the bullcrap chicken shit heel tactics just makes Roman look weak.

 

[hockey20000]

rumours of seth needing a mri on his knee or leg online?

 

[Jussi]

rumours of seth needing a mri on his knee or leg online?

News thread.

 

[Jussi]

 

[GKJ]

I'm a big fan of longer title runs... But you've gotta spread them a bit. You've got Roman holding a belt for 3 1/2 years, Seth's going to hold the other belt for nearly a year, (If not longer) and Gunther's going to hold his belt for nearly 2 years. That's three of the four big belts that haven't had any movement in a year. The fourth main belt is currently on Logan Paul, which is a great move from a promotional standpoint, but terrible when you consider he's rarely around and the other three belts aren't moving and haven't moved recently.

You can do long title reigns and still have a belt change every 3-4 months. It feels like they're trying to copy the UFC with their title runs, which doesn't really work (Outside Roman) because UFC champs will only fight 2-3 times a year. Seth's defended that belt probably 20+ times between PPV and TV.

As for Roman, unlike most, I actually don't have a problem with his long title reign. He's still drawing and his shit is still good. If anything, my problem is the constant booking that every single f***ing match he has to have help to win. The guy is 6' 3" 260+. He's bigger than most everybody in the main event scene besides Brock. There's zero reason he shouldn't be able to beat some of these guys clean.

The other issue is, I think it's too obvious that Cody is "The one". Roman's title reign is long enough at this point that, when he gets pinned clean for the belt, it should be an "Oh shit", almost like Brock pinning Taker, to a much smaller degree. If Cody walks into Mania and pins him, you're absolutely not getting that reaction. Everybody is expecting that.

Do you have to? Is there any evidence that it’s hurting business?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Do you have to? Is there any evidence that it’s hurting business?

What, the longer title runs?

I think it's great for the legitimacy of the belts, but all of the long runs simultaneously has made it a bit of a slog to get through. Like, this entire year for Cody has basically just been doing random bullshit because he's on hold while he gets back to Roman. Gunther's run could very possibly be causing Gable to tread water if that's the plan instead of Brock. Rollins, honestly, should've been knocked off by both Nakamura and Drew, but is still holding his belt.

In the long run, it is changing the outlook of belts in that it's no longer "They put the title on this guy to try to give him credibility" and is now "The belt is credible because it's on the hottest act in the company", which is the way it should be. But I think that's kinda making week to week television a bit of a bore, too.

Not once since Wrestlemania have I believed that Roman or Gunther were dropping their belts. Rollins is damn close to the same status, although when they initially brought his back up, I thought they were planting the excuse for him to drop it and for him to get surgery. That kinda makes the builds to those title matches a bore when you know those guys aren't losing.

Rhea is essentially in the same boat, too. Although that's more on account of there not being many women who could credibly beat her. The women are getting better, but the men's talent pool is a lot stronger and more established right now.

 

[GKJ]

What, the longer title runs?

I think it's great for the legitimacy of the belts, but all of the long runs simultaneously has made it a bit of a slog to get through. Like, this entire year for Cody has basically just been doing random bullshit because he's on hold while he gets back to Roman. Gunther's run could very possibly be causing Gable to tread water if that's the plan instead of Brock. Rollins, honestly, should've been knocked off by both Nakamura and Drew, but is still holding his belt.

In the long run, it is changing the outlook of belts in that it's no longer "They put the title on this guy to try to give him credibility" and is now "The belt is credible because it's on the hottest act in the company", which is the way it should be. But I think that's kinda making week to week television a bit of a bore, too.

Not once since Wrestlemania have I believed that Roman or Gunther were dropping their belts. Rollins is damn close to the same status, although when they initially brought his back up, I thought they were planting the excuse for him to drop it and for him to get surgery. That kinda makes the builds to those title matches a bore when you know those guys aren't losing.

You’re not always trying to make people think the title will switch. You’re telling a story. Now business is different, but when Hogan had his 1484-day run, were people worried about matches with dudes who were never going to win?

I think the story of him trying to break that mark is way more interesting btw, it’s almost once in a lifetime.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You’re not always trying to make people think the title will switch. You’re telling a story. Now business is different, but when Hogan had his 1484-day run, were people worried about matches with dudes who were never going to win?

I think the story of him trying to break that mark is way more interesting btw, it’s almost once in a lifetime.

When Hogan was on his run they didn't have 5 hours of weekly TV to book. When you're doing very minimal PPVs/televised events a year and are relying on local crowds, it doesn't get as "Old" to see the belt on the same guy for four years.

I think it works for Roman because he's "Part time" and an attraction at this point, but it's getting old for Seth.

FWIW, I also agree that Roman going for Hogan is the most interesting. I think they've kinda booked themselves into a box here with Cody, in that they've set the table for Cody to dethrone Roman. That takes away from every match along the way because nobody believes Roman is dropping the belt to anybody but Cody.

That's boxed them into a corner where you have to have Cody vs. Roman II, but no result is good. If Cody loses a second time, it makes Cody look like a chump even if it is a screwy finish. (I realize people here would be OK with that but killing a top babyface is bad business) If Cody wins, it's the result everybody expected. As I said yesterday, Roman's run is reaching the point where when he gets pinned it should be an "Oh shit" moment along the same lines of Brock ending the streak, or even Goldberg destroying Brock. Everybody expects Cody to be the guy. Nobody's "Oh shitting" if he gets the pin.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

On the topic of attractions, I will say I think that's one thing they're in the process of building towards that may be changing the business. Brock, (To a much more extreme degree) Roman, and Punk are being established "Attractions" who aren't there every week and pop in and out. Gunther was obviously out for his newborn, but he seems on the way to being an "Attraction". (His return being advertised after a whopping 3 weeks)

What if you establish 8-10 "Attractions" between two shows over the next few years? (Think Drew, LA Knight, Rhea, etc.) You don't need those talents there every single week, which prevents overexposure and makes it feel important when they're there. Plus it's better for the overall health, longevity, and probably mental wellbeing of the talent.

To be clear, I'm not saying everybody should be Roman showing up for one week and disappearing for the next month. That's a bit extreme.

 

[sansabri]

'my back is killing me'
*knee breaks*

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Another observation from RAW.

... Why the f*** can a multi-billion dollar company not afford more realistic looking prop money?

 

[Linkens Mastery]

PETE DUNNE IS BACK BABY

 

[Jussi]

BRUISERWEIGHT IS BACK!

 

[Emperoreddy]

I like smart authority figures

 

[Sheppy]

Aldis is killing it, man.

 

[BostonBob]

I like smart authority figures

Has there ever been one ????

 

[Sheppy]

BRUISERWEIGHT IS BACK!

f***ing finally!

 

[Jussi]

Asuka dancing to the Scottish witches theme.

Damn that move from Kayden!

 

[Kairi Zaide]

kairi aww lmfao

 

[Emperoreddy]

Aldis is killing it, man.

Did a shoot interview about how much he is enjoying this role and not to rule out him wrestling again either.

 

[yahhockey]

Knight's time has come and gone. Orton has filled that spot. I thought the initial reaction to Dunne was meh however when he entered the match and proceeded to destroy the boys the crowd was quite entertained. Bayley wearing a Rhea shirt and an R R under her eye was something.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I think Knight is settling into his ceiling, which is an upper-mid card guy. He can hold down your mid card title picture and mid card feuds. You can have him be a jobber to the stars and still be credible, and you can heat him up if needed for a title run during the non-peak times.

Like a Sheamus or what KO currently is.

 

[Fro]

They positioned LAKnight as the new Miz

 

[TD Charlie]

Credit to Logan Paul. His segment today was pretty damn good. Perhaps his best mic work yet. Seems like he’s more comfortable out there now and letting his inner douchebag shine