Would you trade Bouchard?

[Da McBomb]

Barrie and Bouchard aren’t remotely comparable. Bouchard is one of the best 5v5 dmen in the NHL, something Barrie has never been good at.

Bouchards value here isn’t his PP play. It’s his 5v5 play.

People see Bouchard making the odd poor mistake defensively but ignore the fact that inspire those occasional mistakes he still puts up results that are among the elite of the elite.

Is Bouchard really an ELITE 5x5 player or is his 5x5 numbers really good because he plays with a stud dman like Ekholm and McDavid's line most of the time? If say he was playing 5x5 with Nurse and another line... would it be that good?

 

[AM]

probably not... but also depends on his ask on his next contract. If his camp is asking for over 10 million and not budging... then yes I would consider trading him.

Just remember... Tyson Barrie (who now can't even crack an NHL lineup) piled up the points on the PP here not too long ago. If Barrie could run this PP.. I'm confident we could find a replacement dman for Bouch as well to run the PP successfully if we traded away Bouch. (But not saying I am in favor of this...)

They already picked him up.

 

[oXo Cube]

Is Bouchard really an ELITE 5x5 player or is his 5x5 numbers really good because he plays with a stud dman like Ekholm and McDavid's line most of the time? If say he was playing 5x5 with Nurse and another line... would it be that good?

Bouchard's 5v5 impact metrics are pretty much identical with or without McDavid(or anyone). He's essentially the first player in Connor's career where that's true.

 

[Canovin]

Barrie and Bouchard aren’t remotely comparable. Bouchard is one of the best 5v5 dmen in the NHL, something Barrie has never been good at.

Bouchards value here isn’t his PP play. It’s his 5v5 play.

People see Bouchard making the odd poor mistake defensively but ignore the fact that inspire those occasional mistakes he still puts up results that are among the elite of the elite.

Barrie was great 5v5 in his first year as an Oiler and his years in Toronto and Colorado. He's only been looking like a PP merchant because he's gotten slower

 

[Spawn]

Barrie was great 5v5 in his first year as an Oiler and his years in Toronto and Colorado. He's only been looking like a PP merchant because he's gotten slower

This is not remotely true. And this comes from someone who liked Barrie plenty when he was here. But he was always a bad 5v5 player.

 

[NegativeNelly]

During last years playoffs, we saw Bouchard play at an elite level both offensively and defensively. This year, his offence is still good but to me, he is horrendous defensively. This past summer I was ready to trade Kulak because he only played well in the post season, but he suddenly figured out how to bring his playoff game to the regular season. Will that happen with Bouchard? Do we wait or jettison his ass before his contract is up? If it was up to me I'd jettison his ass and get a starting goalie but I'm usually wrong.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Go back a decade and you'll probably see this exact same thread with Petry....except Bouchard is the far better Dman. This organization and certain fans never learn. Not enough that we undervalued basically all our young talent this summer and lost them, we want to do the same to a top 10 Dman in the league because he makes mistakes. Unbelievable.

 

[Canovin]

This is not remotely true. And this comes from someone who liked Barrie plenty when he was here. But he was always a bad 5v5 player.

Barrie was known as a great 5 vs 5 player for years around the league before joining the Oilers lol

The guy has better numbers on 5 vs 5 than on PP most of his career.

 

[Mr Positive]

He's not untradeable like Draisaitl but he's close

So no. We need him. He wants to be here. Also, he fits in with the team and we know he performs with our guys. That's an underrated factor. Just keep a good thing going

 

[Fourier]

Barrie was great 5v5 in his first year as an Oiler and his years in Toronto and Colorado. He's only been looking like a PP merchant because he's gotten slower

I doubt you would get many Leaf fans to say Barrie was great 5 vs 5 in TO. You are correct that in Colorado he was actually seen as a better 5 vs 5 scorer than a ppqb. But his best total 5 vs 5 was 32 and he only had 2 30 point season 5 vs 5. Bouchard will probably have 3 in his first 4 years.

Interestingly, Bouchard's IPP is up this year over last.

 

[Canovin]

I doubt you would get many Leaf fans to say Barrie was great 5 vs 5 in TO. You are correct that in Colorado he was actually seen as a better 5 vs 5 scorer than a ppqb. But his best total 5 vs 5 was 32 and he only had 2 30 point season 5 vs 5. Bouchard will probably have 3 in his first 4 years.

Interestingly, Bouchard's IPP is up this year over last.

This isn't to say Barrie is an better offensive Dman than Bouchard. Barrie in Colorado was a different scoring era also that was during Colorado decade of darkness. A prime Barrie is exactly what the Oilers need right now.

 

[Spawn]

Barrie was known as a great 5 vs 5 player for years around the league before joining the Oilers lol

The guy has better numbers on 5 vs 5 than on PP most of his career.

I don’t know what to tell you other than you’re wrong lol. Barrie has never had anywhere close to the overall impact Bouchard has had at 5v5 this season and last.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I don’t know what to tell you other than you’re wrong lol. Barrie has never had anywhere close to the overall impact Bouchard has had at 5v5 this season and last.

Barrie being a better 5on5 player than powerplay guy and being better than Bouchard are 2 different thinks.

He can be better at 5on5 and still be worse than Bouchard

Avs fans were saying for years that’s better at 5on5 than powerplay

 

[Canovin]

I don’t know what to tell you other than you’re wrong lol. Barrie has never had anywhere close to the overall impact Bouchard has had at 5v5 this season and last.

Maybe I misunderstood what you said or you misunderstood what I said, but I was just pointing out Barrie was better 5v5 than on PP. I wasn't comparing him to Bouchard. If we are comparing the two, Bouchard is definitely better

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Go back a decade and you'll probably see this exact same thread with Petry....except Bouchard is the far better Dman. This organization and certain fans never learn. Not enough that we undervalued basically all our young talent this summer and lost them, we want to do the same to a top 10 Dman in the league because he makes mistakes. Unbelievable.

Yeah, that's how long it took us to find a RHD for top pairing. We trade Bouchard, who's our best RHD? Ty Emberson?

 

[FunkyChicken]

Would have to find one hell of a replacement first.
I think the bigger issue is the lack of RD depth and he's forced into too many minutes. Gets into pace/energy conservation mode too much. Lower the minutes and I don't think this happens as frequently.
Also, a little accountability from the coach would go along way.

 

[Bumblebee Man]

To the people that said yes. Dobson is also frustrating defensively.....now he's hurt

The Isles just got Peronovich and TDA to fill in for the lack of puck movement his injury brings. Both those players are atrocious a defense yet somebody needs to get the forwards the puck

 

[McDNicks17]

Go back a decade and you'll probably see this exact same thread with Petry....except Bouchard is the far better Dman. This organization and certain fans never learn. Not enough that we undervalued basically all our young talent this summer and lost them, we want to do the same to a top 10 Dman in the league because he makes mistakes. Unbelievable.

Seems like there's always been a part of the fan base that would prefer a team of Kris Russells because "they don't make mistakes" while never attempting a positive play with the puck instead of a Petry or Bouchard because they can't recognize the ten positive plays they make for every mistake.

 

[Canovin]

Seems like there's always been a part of the fan base that would prefer a team of Kris Russells because "they don't make mistakes" while never attempting a positive play with the puck instead of a Petry or Bouchard because they can't recognize the ten positive plays they make for every mistake.

By Kris Russell you mean Ekholm. Give me another Ekholm over a Dman like Bouchard any day. 45 points a season while giving steller defense and only costing 7.5% of the salary cap at the time of signing.

 

[K1984]

Yes, I would trade Bouchard if we got Makar in return.

Would I seek to move him just because? Absolutely not. His demands would have to be obscene and there would need to be a clear path to not taking a step back to even think about it.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Seems like there's always been a part of the fan base that would prefer a team of Kris Russells because "they don't make mistakes" while never attempting a positive play with the puck instead of a Petry or Bouchard because they can't recognize the ten positive plays they make for every mistake.

He outperformed a top 2 Dman in the league in Quinn Hughes last playoffs , then proceeded to outperform another premier Dman in Heiskanen the next round. I can’t even believe this is a conversation lol.

 

[McDNicks17]

He outperformed a top 2 Dman in the league in Quinn Hughes last playoffs , then proceeded to outperform another premier Dman in Heiskanen the next round. I can’t even believe this is a conversation lol.

I think it comes from the bias of watching every one of this games and seeing every mistake he makes.

Some people have this weird misconception that other top defensemen don't make mistakes and Bouchard is the outlier.

 

[Gunnersaurus Rex]

Sure. I think you could get a good return for him before the Oilers get suckered in to paying him $9M+ on a long term Nurse 2.0 deal.

 

[McDNicks17]

Sure. I think you could get a good return for him before the Oilers get suckered in to paying him $9M+ on a long term Nurse 2.0 deal.

$9M on an 8 year deal would be absolute robbery in favour of the team.

 

[thadd]

No other team will get the same value out of Bouchard as we do.