GDT: World Junior Championships 2013 - Discussion

[The Winter Soldier]

Dumba didn't impress at all in the pre-tourney games. I don't think Murphy is the right fit (I think Percy as a steady presence would be great with Rielly or Hammer).

We'll be okay, I think Subban was the wrong choice between the pipes. That's the weakness in the Hockey Canada program right now. We aren't producing as many top-flight goalies as we are D-men and FWD's.

Ok I wont even bring up why hes really not that good and massively overhyped but he was also brutal in the summer RUS/CAN series and has had a very underwhelming season in the WHL. I could understand someone having a beef with Murphy making it but Dumba has done nothing to show he deserves that spot besides being drafted high.

Not really he was absolutely brutal in the evaluation camps, just awful. Not trying to exaggerate but he just couldn't get it at all.

This is a good reason why I never believe what I read on message boards without watching games myself before I come to a conclusion.

I don't think Dumba played bad at all, if anything he played a safer game, that perhaps was too toned down. Something that people were critical of him from the pre draft, he tried to do too much ala Dion Phaneuf and that often took him out of position, looking for a big hit. So when he reigns it in, people say he looked awful, he just needs to find the right balance.

There are times you need emotion in the game, you need a hit or someone to take the bull by the horns. Murphy doesn't possess this. Dumba does. There is a reason why Murphy has been cut 2 times from the selection camp. Spott influence obviously secured his position on the team.

Not you guys were watching the same games I was, Dumba still showed he had the ability to lug the puck out of the zone while being paired with Reinhart. There are a couple of guys that may be better D men on this team, Pulock another. If Canada doesn't win the gold, I am sure there will be a lot of second guessing. Really none of the D really impressed me last night, but again it is only 1 pre tourney game.

Need to get Reilly more involved as Bobby Mac alluded to before last night's telecast, Murphy just takes ice time away from Morgan. Not being a homer, but I would pin my offensive hopes on him than Murphy.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Big time. It was the second PP Canada had and Murphy roars up the ice, has forwards open, instead skates in to a corner and turns it over. I don't know why he did that.

Can't stand watching this kid play, he's talented, but incredibly fustrating to watch at times.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I will make a prediction folks, for people that don't get why I rate Huberdeau so high in my ratings for a player, Team Canada will be a different team with him in the lineup.

INTANGIBLES, some get it, some don't, some will never. The kid is a winner, a talent, a leader. He will make his teammates better and that in turn will make Team Canada much better.

 

[ULF_55]

I will make a prediction folks, for people that don't get why I rate Huberdeau so high in my ratings for a player, Team Canada will be a different team with him in the lineup.

INTANGIBLES, some get it, some don't, some will never. The kid is a winner, a talent, a leader. He will make his teammates better and that in turn will make Team Canada much better.

You aren't exactly going out on a limb to say Canada will be better in their second game after being bad in the opening game.

You know that would be expected whether Huberdeau was in the line-up game 2 or not right?

As the Canadians are expected to win, they'd have to be a different team going forward.

I only watched highlights, mostly of Canada's dumb penalties, but I thought players were missing from both teams?

 

[Grant]

Dude you're right:

1st round: Jiri Tlusty - playing with Carolina
2nd round: Nikolai Kulemin - playing with the Leafs
4th round: James Reimer and Korbinian Holzer - Reimer should be starting and Holzer should be the 7th D
6th round: Viktor Stalberg, Tyler Ruegsegger, and Leo Komarov - Stalberg's a regular in Chicago and Ruegsegger was the only miss the Leafs had this entire draft. Komarov should be playing for the Leafs when the NHL resumes operations.

That's a stupid good draft by Toronto.

Getting 4 current and what I think will be 6 NHLers once hockey resumes in a single draft is just ridiculous But Morrison still sucks

 

[kilgro]

apparently Rielly is paired with Oulette now and Hamilton with Harrington. works for me, Rielly Hamilton had no chemistry in that first game

 

[Bravid Nonahan]

yep. Rielly needs to be the guy who jumps in the play on the pairing

 

[weems]

This is a good reason why I never believe what I read on message boards without watching games myself before I come to a conclusion.

I don't think Dumba played bad at all, if anything he played a safer game, that perhaps was too toned down. Something that people were critical of him from the pre draft, he tried to do too much ala Dion Phaneuf and that often took him out of position, looking for a big hit. So when he reigns it in, people say he looked awful, he just needs to find the right balance.

There are times you need emotion in the game, you need a hit or someone to take the bull by the horns. Murphy doesn't possess this. Dumba does. There is a reason why Murphy has been cut 2 times from the selection camp. Spott influence obviously secured his position on the team.

Not you guys were watching the same games I was, Dumba still showed he had the ability to lug the puck out of the zone while being paired with Reinhart. There are a couple of guys that may be better D men on this team, Pulock another. If Canada doesn't win the gold, I am sure there will be a lot of second guessing. Really none of the D really impressed me last night, but again it is only 1 pre tourney game.

Need to get Reilly more involved as Bobby Mac alluded to before last night's telecast, Murphy just takes ice time away from Morgan. Not being a homer, but I would pin my offensive hopes on him than Murphy.

He might have been playing a "safer" game but he was still sloppy defensively turning the puck over in bad spots and generally making questionable decisions like he always does. I have never once questioned his talent or said hes a bad prospect but hes certainly shaky defensively with below average hockeysense and these weakness's get majorily exposed in a tournament like this. I can understand if someone thinks Murphy shouldnt be there but Dumba really hasnt shown any reason why he should have made the team.

Dumba got cut and just a night or two later was playing on RSN. I flicked on the game and literally the first shift he had he made a play that had me scratching my head. He gets the puck in the offensive zone around the blueline, he trys to walk the line and theres plenty of room to his left. The opposing team has a player that is chasing him furiously and instead of continuing to skate the puck into the open space he tries to throw a backhand pass across the grain right in the oncoming players direction and it hits his shinpads and almost goes for a clear cut breakaway. Its just little plays like this that I would never see from someone who has good to above average hockeysense. They would understand the dangers of making a pass like that especially when theres literally tons of open space to the left.

He has the tools but just not sure he has the toolbox and this should continue to become evident as he plays better competition.

 

[FreeBird]

Dude you're right:

1st round: Jiri Tlusty - playing with Carolina
2nd round: Nikolai Kulemin - playing with the Leafs
4th round: James Reimer and Korbinian Holzer - Reimer should be starting and Holzer should be the 7th D
6th round: Viktor Stalberg, Tyler Ruegsegger, and Leo Komarov - Stalberg's a regular in Chicago and Ruegsegger was the only miss the Leafs had this entire draft. Komarov should be playing for the Leafs when the NHL resumes operations.

That's a stupid good draft by Toronto.

Could we trade the whole bunch for Claude Giroux.

 

[FreeBird]

If you look at some of the drafts, the Leafs drafting has been pretty good, landing them hasn't always worked out, either by trade, or just not getting them to come over to North America.

Look at the 2002 draft, players in the NHL and KHL even today. There are only so many positions in the NHL, so drafting a player in the 8th. and 9th. rounds who are still playing in the top league in Europe a decade later is quite good.

The Euro's I credit Tommie Bergman. Stalberg the best of the bunch of course we gave him away.

 

[FreeBird]

Yet Barry Trapp made all of those picks save for Didomenico.


Get your ****ing facts straight man.

Maybe they should have kept Barry, the bottom line is that no matter who scouts for the Leafs 7 years out of the playoffs is the bottom line, our Scouts and their bosses just are not getting the job done. When they have a good scout they get rid of them or the other team steals him away. Like Yannetti who went to the Kings and has done a splendid job there, I think we'll all agree.

 

[member 147413]

yep. Rielly needs to be the guy who jumps in the play on the pairing

Seriously, Hamilton was rushing and was forcing Rielly to cover him in the D-zone. If Rielly took that chance, I doubt Hamilton would be aware enough to cover for him.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

He might have been playing a "safer" game but he was still sloppy defensively turning the puck over in bad spots and generally making questionable decisions like he always does. I have never once questioned his talent or said hes a bad prospect but hes certainly shaky defensively with below average hockeysense and these weakness's get majorily exposed in a tournament like this. I can understand if someone thinks Murphy shouldnt be there but Dumba really hasnt shown any reason why he should have made the team.

Dumba got cut and just a night or two later was playing on RSN. I flicked on the game and literally the first shift he had he made a play that had me scratching my head. He gets the puck in the offensive zone around the blueline, he trys to walk the line and theres plenty of room to his left. The opposing team has a player that is chasing him furiously and instead of continuing to skate the puck into the open space he tries to throw a backhand pass across the grain right in the oncoming players direction and it hits his shinpads and almost goes for a clear cut breakaway. Its just little plays like this that I would never see from someone who has good to above average hockeysense. They would understand the dangers of making a pass like that especially when theres literally tons of open space to the left.

He has the tools but just not sure he has the toolbox and this should continue to become evident as he plays better competition.

Had a chat with a scout today, he said he was worried about Team Canada's leadership. A lot of quiet leaders but not many vocal guys.

This is where Dumba would have helped, there are all sorts of factors to a successful team. Chemistry is a thing that is often overlooked. Murphy instead of Dumba, if this was the choice, Murphy has to deliver.

Another guy that would have added spark to the line up, Tom Wilson. 1 shift by him and it can light up the bench. For a guy that played well in the subway series I thought it was another questionable ommission.

 

[weems]

Had a chat with a scout today, he said he was worried about Team Canada's leadership. A lot of quiet leaders but not many vocal guys.

This is where Dumba would have helped, there are all sorts of factors to a successful team. Chemistry is a thing that is often overlooked. Murphy instead of Dumba, if this was the choice, Murphy has to deliver.

Another guy that would have added spark to the line up, Tom Wilson. 1 shift by him and it can light up the bench. For a guy that played well in the subway series I thought it was a bad ommission.

I'm way more worried about team speed and goaltending then "leadership".

 

[showtime8]

apparently Rielly is paired with Oulette now and Hamilton with Harrington. works for me, Rielly Hamilton had no chemistry in that first game

They both looked to jump in at wrong times. ie. When one had the puck at the hashmarks, the other was starting to leak the zone. I really like the pairing of Hamilton and Harrington. I'm not huge on Oulette, but we'll see if he helps out Rielly.

 

[Bomber0104]

He might have been playing a "safer" game but he was still sloppy defensively turning the puck over in bad spots and generally making questionable decisions like he always does. I have never once questioned his talent or said hes a bad prospect but hes certainly shaky defensively with below average hockeysense and these weakness's get majorily exposed in a tournament like this. I can understand if someone thinks Murphy shouldnt be there but Dumba really hasnt shown any reason why he should have made the team.

Dumba got cut and just a night or two later was playing on RSN. I flicked on the game and literally the first shift he had he made a play that had me scratching my head. He gets the puck in the offensive zone around the blueline, he trys to walk the line and theres plenty of room to his left. The opposing team has a player that is chasing him furiously and instead of continuing to skate the puck into the open space he tries to throw a backhand pass across the grain right in the oncoming players direction and it hits his shinpads and almost goes for a clear cut breakaway. Its just little plays like this that I would never see from someone who has good to above average hockeysense. They would understand the dangers of making a pass like that especially when theres literally tons of open space to the left.

He has the tools but just not sure he has the toolbox and this should continue to become evident as he plays better competition.

Matt Dumba is missing two S's on the end of his last name.

That's the way he plays hockey and is undersized. He will bust for sure.

 

[ULF_55]

Well, if you watched to see how Biggs did you had to come away disappointed.

Not that he was bad, he had some hits, but almost irrelevant as his team wasn't very good.

Barkov was okay, Jones was pretty good.

Some good skill on the Finnish team, with some smart players there.

Biggs probably did enough to keep his job, but he was a bit player on the team today.

 

[VanW27]

Did Gibson play the whole game? How was he and and Gillies (if he played).

 

[ULF_55]

Did Gibson play the whole game? How was he and and Gillies (if he played).

I thought he was okay. Finns probably could have had another 2 or 3 if they didn't miss the net, but sometimes that is the goalie leaving little to see.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/scores/boxscore/?id=2115757

Finns PP looked like garbage first period but started picking US apart in third. Granlund Player of the game, but it could have been Armia, and Barkov 1 goal 2 assists. Their key players looked good. I loved to have any of these guys in the Leafs organization Aleksander Barkov, Teuvo Teravainen, Artturi Lehkonen, Markus Granlund.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

This is a good reason why I never believe what I read on message boards without watching games myself before I come to a conclusion.

I don't think Dumba played bad at all, if anything he played a safer game, that perhaps was too toned down. Something that people were critical of him from the pre draft, he tried to do too much ala Dion Phaneuf and that often took him out of position, looking for a big hit. So when he reigns it in, people say he looked awful, he just needs to find the right balance.

There are times you need emotion in the game, you need a hit or someone to take the bull by the horns. Murphy doesn't possess this. Dumba does. There is a reason why Murphy has been cut 2 times from the selection camp. Spott influence obviously secured his position on the team.

Not you guys were watching the same games I was, Dumba still showed he had the ability to lug the puck out of the zone while being paired with Reinhart. There are a couple of guys that may be better D men on this team, Pulock another. If Canada doesn't win the gold, I am sure there will be a lot of second guessing. Really none of the D really impressed me last night, but again it is only 1 pre tourney game.

Need to get Reilly more involved as Bobby Mac alluded to before last night's telecast, Murphy just takes ice time away from Morgan. Not being a homer, but I would pin my offensive hopes on him than Murphy.

You can point it at us or this entire board. However this wasn't just noted by people who viewed it but scouts, professional and clearly team canada themselves.

 

[bobermay]

I missed the last game... stoked to see Nilsson and Reilly play!

 

[The Winter Soldier]

You can point it at us or this entire board. However this wasn't just noted by people who viewed it but scouts, professional and clearly team canada themselves.

I think he could help this team, I don't think his under 18 tourney or the one just prior to the draft last year was a fluke when he led all Cdn scorers as a D Man, I think he was filled with thoughts to alter his game, and thus didn't make the impact he could have. Looking at some of the D on Canada, it looks like we picked a safe team to medal, but not one that went for gold. We will see, but I rarely like this strategy.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I think he could help this team, I don't think his under 18 tourney or the one just prior to the draft last year was a fluke when he led all Cdn scorers as a D Man, I think he was filled with thoughts to alter his game, and thus didn't make the impact he could have. Looking at some of the D on Canada, it looks like we picked a safe team to medal, but not one that went for gold. We will see, but I rarely like this strategy.

I never trust tourneys, its a good place to challenge the best youth from different countries but they can also be an anomaly. I just try to grasp whats the possibilities of their game and how they see the ice against their peers. He wasn't that great in the SSS and so far neither in the dub, yea he has shown some great flash but he hasn't done it to the point where I am stunned that he is on the ice regularly with such consistency.

As far as the D, it's a work in process and for murphy to be the seventh defensemen for our team, yea it's safe to say we are making it a skill based safe journey for the medals.

 

[Budsfan]

Darn Canada down another player Swedes on a 5 on 3 PP

 

[Budsfan]

Well at least they killed that off but still down 1-0