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Woodcroft's Last Game as Oilers Head Coach?

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Peter Sidorkiewicz said:
Is he a bad coach, or just being let down by goaltending, or both?
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The whole roster. McDavid is clearly injured. The last season for sure (maybe previous as well but it’s vague memory now) Drai seemed to be a black hole despite his scoring for at least the first 1/3 of the year, defensive abyss. Ekholm seems less than 100% from his injury too.


Goaltending is a legit issue though they do get hung out to dry. I don’t know how much of it is an inability to adjust to the system or just mentally falling apart.
 
Why blame the coach when they have had the worst management in the entire league for like 20 years lol sure woodcroft should be fired but fans should direct most of their vitriol towards ownership and management not the coach or players
 
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daver said:
That's pretty much what they did in 2009. You cannot find a Cup winner in NHL history that was so reliant on two forwards as the 2009 Pens were. And, no, Fleury was not a major factor in their run.

It's been 8 years now and the Oilers cannot separate McDavid and Draisaitl, apparently two franchise #1Cs, consistently at ES like the Pens did with Malkin and Crosby to create some depth. Crosby is clearly better as an all around player whereas McDavid is used as an offensive weapon.

You pick McDavid if you want to Run and Gun, you pick Crosby if you want other options.
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So I say the Pens had more depth, you disagree then say the pens were able to separate their two big guns while saying Edm could not.

Interesting argument.
 
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RNH gonna get his 10th different head coach in 13 years today???

That's insane.

Edmonton is the coaching graveyard
 
DearDiary said:
Crosby/Malkin made the playoffs every year regardless of how bad their wingers were and played way better when one of them was out of the lineup. iirc the 2nd most injured team since the lockout, behind the Canucks. Meanwhile McDrai are glued together on the same line. When they're not, they need RNH on one of their lines, killing the teams depth.
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So again, you’re saying the pens had more depth. Got it.

They also had better defense the whole time and better goaltending.
 
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bleedgreen said:
So I say the Pens had more depth, you disagree then say the pens were able to separate their two big guns while saying Edm could not.

Interesting argument.
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The Pens had more depth because they could roll two elite scoring lines instead of just one.

Crosby and Malkin had significantly less point shares in '09 than McDrai; they were able to carry their own lines of lesser talented wingers.

Overall, the Pens supporting cast outside of Crosby/Malkin was arguably weaker than the '22/'23 Oilers supporting cast. Fleury's sv% was not elite and was horrible in the Caps series.

Crosby's claim to fame is being able to produce regardless of who is on his wing; he arguably has had the worst winger talent out of any Top 20 player all-time.
 
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I sure hope not. The fact they gave the keys to run a team with prime McDavid to an AHL coach is peak Edmonton
 
Fire the players, half that team is asssssss

LudwigVonKarlsson said:
You would think that someone who's decent wouldn't be last in the league and struggling this hard with the 2 best players in the world on his team.
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2 good players, wow! What about the trash depth, trash defenseman, and worst goalie tandem the league has ever seen?
 
LudwigVonKarlsson said:
You would think that someone who's decent wouldn't be last in the league and struggling this hard with the 2 best players in the world on his team.
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Hockey is a team sport, and one of his top guys is obviously hurt. There's a reason why Edmonton is a coaching graveyard.

The Oilers have won 3 playoff series in the last 2 years under him, that's pretty impressive vs Smith who still hasn't taken a team to the playoffs. Woodcroft didn't forget how to coach hockey over the summer.
 
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The writing is on the wall and unless the Oilers start stringing some wins together like right now, it’s gonna get late awfully quick
 
daver said:
The Pens had more depth because they could roll two elite scoring lines instead of just one.

Crosby and Malkin had significantly less point shares in '09 than McDrai; they were able to carry their own lines of lesser talented wingers.

Overall, the Pens supporting cast outside of Crosby/Malkin was arguably weaker than the '22/'23 Oilers supporting cast. Fleury's sv% was not elite and was horrible in the Caps series.

Crosby's claim to fame is being able to produce regardless of who is on his wing; he arguably has had the worst winger talent out of any Top 20 player all-time.
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97 hasn’t really had an issue with producing regardless of his wingers. He made Maroon into an almost 30 goal scorer so I’m missing your point while you agree with mine that the Pens had more depth. Better defense. Just a significantly better team than Mcdrai gets. I don’t know why this can’t just be accepted. No one looks at the Edm roster and thinks that’s a cup team, and no one had that problem with the pens and no….it isn’t because of Crosby and Malkin being better. You can downplay Fleury but he’s still playing well enough NOW and the Oilers have nothing like that. The defense was better for the Pens. There’s no comparison here no matter how hard you try to make your presumable base line point of Crosby and Malkin being better than Mcdrai. You don’t have enough to work with here for that argument.
 
Nice management, imagine sitting on that D corps for years without even tinkering at all. Coach should only be taking blame here in so much as he hasn’t complained to management about personnel enough, clearly.
 
bleedgreen said:
97 hasn’t really had an issue with producing regardless of his wingers. He made Maroon into an almost 30 goal scorer so I’m missing your point while you agree with mine that the Pens had more depth. Better defense. Just a significantly better team than Mcdrai gets. I don’t know why this can’t just be accepted. No one looks at the Edm roster and thinks that’s a cup team, and no one had that problem with the pens and no….it isn’t because of Crosby and Malkin being better. You can downplay Fleury but he’s still playing well enough NOW and the Oilers have nothing like that. The defense was better for the Pens. There’s no comparison here no matter how hard you try to make your presumable base line point of Crosby and Malkin being better than Mcdrai. You don’t have enough to work with here for that argument.
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Crosby/Malkin played better defense than McDavid/Draisaitl or at least did not have to sacrifice defensive structure to generate offense.

And, unlike Pens, the Oilers have not been able to consistently separate McDrai at ES to create two elite scoring lines. They have had 8 years to try do this.

The "crappy wingers/crappy supporting forwards" argument doesn't fly when you look at the other forwards on the 08/09 Pens.

Crosby is a proven winner and a proven leader, and at his peak, just as offensively productive. McDavid is an offensive weapon, and should be used as such, but is lacking in other parts of his game.
 
LudwigVonKarlsson said:
You would think that someone who's decent wouldn't be last in the league and struggling this hard with the 2 best players in the world on his team.
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Ekholm and McDavid are playing hurt and the depth and goaltending isn’t good enough to make up for it.
 
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