GDT: WJC, Jan 2 QF, Cesko vs Canada, 8:30 EST

[FrankieC]

The numerous mistakes occured in today's game were not one offs.The same happened in previous games. Some resulted in goals, others goalie made the save.

1st CZ goal- Warren was puck watching & way out of position thus, giving up the lane. Goalie should have made the save but, Warren was the issue.

CZ penalty shot- Warren was puck watching, didn't hinge with his partner and got caught flat footed. This, gave up a break away & had to hook. This is a nothing play that shouldn't have gotten to this point but, luckily, goalie made the save.

2nd CZ goal- Lamoreaux was late to recognize the attack, gets caught up high before scrambling back in front of the net where he screens his own goalie. Goalie should've made the save and the Allard, Beck,Danielson line were too passive on puck carrier.

1st minute into 2nd period - Lamoreaux gets caught trying to throw hit in neutral zone and gives up an odd man rush which the goalie saves.

1st Cdn goal- good breakout. However, it wasn't initiated by the D who was on the half wall. It was Yager-Cowan-Wood. This type of breakout was sorely missed by Canada all tourney.

While Canada's results likely been improved if all eligible players had played, the roster construction from the players available was horrible, specifically on D. There were far better choices available. On a bigger ice surface, Canada choose relatively immobile, lower IQ D.

Additionally ,the deployment and management of the players was just as bad. Players who had little jump were given prime minutes due to coaching bias and ended up being a factor in the L.

Good luck to the remaining teams.

 

[Czechboy]

Meh, check the gold medals by country. Canada / Soviet Union/Russia are far ahead

Using Soviet results in 2024? Russia has one gold medal in the last twenty years (since 2003).

Behind Finland, US and Canada. Tied with Sweden.

 

[Holkoun]

Jiricek was too old this year

He did not mean David but his brother Adam.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Just not a very good Canada team
Only Celebrini has nhl top line potential imo

 

[FrankieC]

I'm relatively new to following junior hockey, so just curious........I've read people advocating that Canada follow the U.S. model a few times. What does this mean?

Implement the USNTDP approach.
Favor skill more.

 

[NyQuil]

I do find any attempt to dismiss the tournament as not best on best because Russia is out funny. No because there isn’t truth to it…but because it just makes me realize that Canada couldn’t even medal in a tournament where one of the best teams wasn’t allowed to play.

It’s great for world hockey.

In my lifetime, I’ve seen Canada win so many times at so many levels that the odd disappointment is worth it to make the sport more compelling elsewhere.

 

[Czechboy]

He did not mean David but his brother Adam.

Wait till I start talking about svozil next year.lol. Another brother duo

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I'm relatively new to following junior hockey, so just curious........I've read people advocating that Canada follow the U.S. model a few times. What does this mean?

I assume the "U.S. model" relates to a US developmental program where the top players tend to play together.

 

[OKR]

Just not a very good Canada team
Only Celebrini has nhl top line potential imo

Pretty much, Canada is quite often disjointed in these tournaments but are head and shoulders above other teams in player material, this time the talent just wasn’t as much ahead of others as they usually are.

 

[Guttersniped]

As disappointing as it was, I can't fathom the brutal takes we are going to hear from Americans and other Canada detractors about how this isn't Canada's game anymore. Lol.

Canada has won 3 of the last 4 WJC's and have 5+ top line eligible players in the show (the Americans have one). Not to mention the 6-2 thrashing of the US last year. Get out of here with your garbage takes.

You’re pushing back on imaginary takes you hearing inside your own head?

That sounds like insecurity to me.

 

[FlyingPenguin]

I'm relatively new to following junior hockey, so just curious........I've read people advocating that Canada follow the U.S. model a few times. What does this mean?

The US has a program called the National Team Development Program that scouts and selects their strongest U-17 and U-18 players and puts them on a single team so that they can play and practice together regularly. As the name indicates, a big part of the goal is development of the national team.

Canada tends to just disperse all of their players throughout various junior leagues across the country. Most frequently that's the three CHL leagues (the WHL, OHL, QMJHL), but there are also plenty of smaller ones depending on the player.

 

[novisor]

Well you certainly tore down that strawmen.

There is something to Canada being not that great when the tournament is in Europe, though. I think that’s a reasonable take given the results in the modern era of hockey (post-2010)

Canada won in 2020 in Europe.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Canada won in 2020 in Europe.

And they win in Canada more often than that

 

[novisor]

And they win in Canada more often than that

Cause the tournament is over here far more often, especially lately.

 

[ViD]

Using Soviet results in 2024? Russia has one gold medal in the last twenty years (since 2003).

Behind Finland, US and Canada. Tied with Sweden.

But most medals than anyone before 2022.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

The US has a program called the National Team Development Program that scouts and selects their strongest U-17 and U-18 players and puts them on a single team so that they can play and practice together regularly. As the name indicates, a big part of the goal is development of the national team.

Canada tends to just disperse all of their players throughout various junior leagues across the country. Most frequently that's the three CHL leagues (the WHL, OHL, QMJHL), but there are also plenty of smaller ones depending on the player.

IIRC, USA Hockey wanted to strengthen their age group talent by bringing them together on an all star team, as most of the MN & MA/New England kids stayed home to play HS/HS-Prep while many MI and some NY kids went to the O. The USHL then and still now to some extent has little prestige in hockey, as the franchises aren't really cultural institutions in hockey circles in the US (most of the teams are in the rural Midwest away from the hockey producing centers), players from certain grassroots hockey focused areas were glad to stay home and play for their school instead of go to some random Midwest town to live with billets to play for a USHL franchise they don't care about.

And yes, international success was a big goal of course.

 

[NyQuil]

But most medals than anyone before 2022.

They are very good at being runner-ups.

 

[WarriorofTime]

The US has a program called the National Team Development Program that scouts and selects their strongest U-17 and U-18 players and puts them on a single team so that they can play and practice together regularly. As the name indicates, a big part of the goal is development of the national team.

Canada tends to just disperse all of their players throughout various junior leagues across the country. Most frequently that's the three CHL leagues (the WHL, OHL, QMJHL), but there are also plenty of smaller ones depending on the player.

Canada does have the program of excellence which puts kids in the “Hockey Canada” system pretty early on. It’s rare for kids to only pop up for the U20s unless they were a late bloomer.

I think the USA has probably outgrown the USNDTP. It made sense when it started and the state of hockey development in the U.S. was a huge mess. Like half the kids in each age team are clearly surpassed by the end of their junior years. It’s great for the apex kids but a big drain of resources to the detriment of everyone who isn’t one of the “magic 25” (or 23, not sure) chosen when they’re 15 years old.

Issue is how to replace it. Ideally it’d be a system like the umbrella org CHL with three USHL type junior leagues based in the east coast, central and west coast. It’d be tough to get buy-in from top kids right away though.

 

[The Old Master]

No, he played on the 4th line, he hit the iron with a good shot with 9 minutes left in the game. Talking about Yager, I think what killed Canada in this tournament is when they took off Celebrini from Yager's line. They found good chemistry in the first couple of games together. Celebrini moved up on the first line with Dumais to get him started but Dumais did not do anything 5 on 5 the whole tournament.

thanks

 

[End on a Hinote]

If Russia was in this tournament this Canadian team shouldn't even be considered a medal contender pre-tournament, never mind the Gold three-peat nonsense.

How was that nonsense? This Canadian team was pretty decent on paper and fans were expecting gold like every other year. I don't understand why so many non-Canadian fans here are so bothered that we expected to win?

 

[End on a Hinote]

You’re pushing back on imaginary takes you hearing inside your own head?

That sounds like insecurity to me.

Well, in fairness we do receive some bizarre takes from non-Canadian fans. The amount of people who think Canada is a legitimately irrelevant hockey nation because our club teams haven't won a cup in over 30 years, despite doing well regularily internationally, is baffling.

 

[NyQuil]

Well, in fairness we do receive some bizarre takes from non-Canadian fans. The amount of people who think Canada is a legitimately irrelevant hockey nation because our club teams haven't won a cup in over 30 years, despite doing well regularily internationally, is baffling.

We all know about how the US was clearly failing at baseball in 1992 and 1993 and at basketball in 2019.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

Well, in fairness we do receive some bizarre takes from non-Canadian fans. The amount of people who think Canada is a legitimately irrelevant hockey nation because our club teams haven't won a cup in over 30 years, despite doing well regularily internationally, is baffling.

Nah the intelligent trolls like myself just like to rub it in your faces that your teams never win a Cup and the big hockey media (Sportsnet/TSN mainly) doesn't give US teams enough attention.

 

[End on a Hinote]

We all know about how the US was clearly failing at baseball in 1992 and 1993 and at basketball in 2019.

I like to joke about that logic by saying how God awful Sweden, Russia, Finland, and Czechia must be at hockey because they don't even have teams in the NHL!

 

[Guttersniped]

Well, in fairness we do receive some bizarre takes from non-Canadian fans. The amount of people who think Canada is a legitimately irrelevant hockey nation because our club teams haven't won a cup in over 30 years, despite doing well regularily internationally, is baffling.

No one is saying that about the U20 teams though. C’mon now.