WJC Group A: Dec 26 GDT - Norway vs. USA

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****in HockeyUSA politics again.


Ryan as the 13th forward is an abolute joke. Guess they still haven't forgotten that he chose the CHL. Give me a break, to think I was going to cheer for the States this year.

Farcical.
 
GagneOwnsYou said:
****in HockeyUSA politics again.


Ryan as the 13th forward is an abolute joke. Guess they still haven't forgotten that he chose the CHL. Give me a break, to think I was going to cheer for the States this year.

Farcical.

Got to agree with you. Schremp last year, Ryan this year. USA hockey seems to love the college players. Still can't believe Yandle didn't make the US team.

From another site forward lines (at least to start the game)
Bourque-Kessel-Porter
Mueller-Schremp-Wheeler
Gerbe-Oshie-Skille
Davis-Paukovich-Fritsche
 
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Korpido said:
Oh I don't doubt that Canada has alot of talent but the US has too much fire power for Canada to contain.

Well, if I were the US Coaching staff I'd be worried abouit the other end of the ice, I mean, you let Norway score on you twice :sarcasm:


Is this Norway team like the France team of a few years ago? Meaning that they used basically an all-19 year old team just to get into the top tier and now are forced to go against the best with a team of inexperienced youngins?

Still, gotta be happy if you're the U.S.
 
GagneOwnsYou said:
****in HockeyUSA politics again.


Ryan as the 13th forward is an abolute joke. Guess they still haven't forgotten that he chose the CHL. Give me a break, to think I was going to cheer for the States this year.

Farcical.


Yeah, I mean the U.S. only won by nine!!! To make you feel better, Blake Wheeler was really the 13th forward. Ryan was on the ice a fair amount and came close to scoring.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Yeah, I mean the U.S. only won by nine!!! To make you feel better, Blake Wheeler was really the 13th forward. Ryan was on the ice a fair amount and came close to scoring.
this is true, from atleast what it sounded like on the live feed
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Yeah, I mean the U.S. only won by nine!!! To make you feel better, Blake Wheeler was really the 13th forward. Ryan was on the ice a fair amount and came close to scoring.
same reason schremp isnt getting any ice time. or mueller for that matter
 
RDriesen16 said:
same reason schremp isnt getting any ice time. or mueller for that matter

Schremp and Mueller got plenty of ice time, although Mueller had to sit ten minutes with a misconduct penalty. There's no CHL bias here folks. Yeah, Ryan didn't get a ton of ice time, but neither did Niskanen, Mitera, Paukovich, Nathan Davis, etc.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Schremp and Mueller got plenty of ice time, although Mueller had to sit ten minutes with a misconduct penalty. There's no CHL bias here folks. Yeah, Ryan didn't get a ton of ice time, but neither did Niskanen, Mitera, Paukovich, Nathan Davis, etc.

Ryan>>>>Niskanen
Ryan>>>>Mitera
Ryan>>>>Paukovich
Ryan>>>>Davis
Ryan>>>>etc
 
GagneOwnsYou said:
Ryan>>>>Niskanen
Ryan>>>>Mitera
Ryan>>>>Paukovich
Ryan>>>>Davis
Ryan>>>>etc


Of course, but you're trying to make it like Ryan was singled out and he wasn't. You're also not acknowledging that it was actually Blake Wheeler who was the real "13th forward." The U.S. had two lines (Kessel/Bourque/Porter & Oshie/Skille/Gerbe) clicking, so the rest of the guys had to divide up the remaining ice time. Get over it.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Of course, but you're trying to make it like Ryan was singled out and he wasn't. You're also not acknowledging that it was actually Blake Wheeler who was the real "13th forward." The U.S. had two lines (Kessel/Bourque/Porter & Oshie/Skille/Gerbe) clicking, so the rest of the guys had to divide up the remaining ice time. Get over it.
In a rout, you'd think team USA would try and develop chemistry in all of the lines. Ryan is one of the top players on the team, but certainly wasn't treated like it and we know he's not one of these guys that thinks he's entitled to things..
 
Interesting fact brought up by Miller and Pierre duing the broadcast. The last time US scored double digit goals on an opponent was back in '91, against Norway. 1991 was the last time Norway was in the top group.
 
i dont know if he was nervous or what but every time i saw schremp get the puck he would lose it under light pressure. it didnt seem like it wanted to stay on his stick today.
 
nspeen said:
i dont know if he was nervous or what but every time i saw schremp get the puck he would lose it under light pressure. it didnt seem like it wanted to stay on his stick today.
I noticed the same thing from watching that game. He did make a nifty between the legs (Malik shot!) shot though.
 
Crosby87 said:
I noticed the same thing from watching that game. He did make a nifty between the legs (Malik shot!) shot though.

oh dang i saw that but didnt know who that was. that was sweet :yo:
 
RallyKiller said:
In a rout, you'd think team USA would try and develop chemistry in all of the lines. Ryan is one of the top players on the team, but certainly wasn't treated like it and we know he's not one of these guys that thinks he's entitled to things..


I did see chemistry, between the lines and PP unit I mentioned. The U.S. won by NINE goals! This is a non-issue. Ryan will get his time.
 
okay, just finished watching the tape delay.

1. I was VERY surprised at how physical the Americans were, not just the Johnsons...but Bourque, Paukovich, even mighty-mite Nate Gerbe. They played a very Canadian-style game, and were penalized early for it. After some time, the Norwegians were so worn down physically that the team speed of the Americans turned it into a circus act. 11-2 seems closer than the game actually was.

2. Erik Johnson is the real deal, and impressed me more than Jack. I've not been so impressed with a defenseman in a long time, and he's so complete. Someone in the top 5 is going to get very,very lucky in the 06 draft.

3. TJ Oshie-- "Who?" Now we know who. Took the game over early, and while he only got one goal, he could easily have had three more. Nifty moves, power game.

4. Schremp-- Didn't do much for me ES, seemed like he was puckhogging\showing off a bit, but on the PP, the USA didn't have anyone better. Set up the play, controlled the puck, a great QB.

5. Phil Kessel-- must have taken the "stickhandling of Pat Lafontaine and the shooting of Brett Hull...but not much of a distributor" comments of McKenzie to heart...showed some sick playmaking, more nifty moves, and silenced his doubters. Best player on the ice.

6. Chris Bourque- Hits. Passes. Scores. Behind Kessel, the second most dominant forward out there.

and on the "didn't do much for me" list:

1. Bobby Ryan-- Mancrushes of certain posters aside, he DID see a fair amount of icetime. Not tons, but not the least, either. When he was out there, he looked a little lost. At one point, got the puck in the slot with no one near him, should have been an easy goal with the Norwegian tender ALREADY beat, but whiffed wide. Didn't see the well-documented physical side, either. It's just one game, but pitching a fit over his icetime is ridiculous, because he wasn't playing well enough for more.

2. Blake Wheeler- made a few huge hits, but is a clutz with the puck. Didn't see much time, but I hope\expect for more.

The rest are incompletes. Mueller impressed me while he was out there, his goal was off an absolute laser of a shot. Good puckhandler too, could have had a goal early on a beautiful setup on the PP, but rang it off the pipe.

The American power play is...a thing of beauty. Any team that takes a lot of penalties against them is...likely going to lose. The PK impressed me too, very agressive, creating a lot of shorthanded chances. I hope to see how Schneider does with a little bit more action. I didn't see the second goal against, but the first goal against was hardly his fault, being beaten by a pretty nifty deke by the Norwegian player.

All in all, good game...the Americans needed to make a statement like this to start the tournament.

By the way...to the comment that "Canadians don't care if the Americans lose, they only care that the Canadians win"

uh...BS. A few thousand jeering Canadian fans that booed every American goal, cheered every Norwegian hit and raucously taunted the American team when the third goal was waved off(rightfully, I'm not sure what Fritsche was thinking) would seem to disagree with you.
 
RallyKiller said:
In a rout, you'd think team USA would try and develop chemistry in all of the lines. Ryan is one of the top players on the team, but certainly wasn't treated like it and we know he's not one of these guys that thinks he's entitled to things..

I think Ryan will get his chance, but by watching this the CHL guys dont look all that great.
 
nomorekids said:
uh...BS. A few thousand jeering Canadian fans that booed every American goal, cheered every Norwegian hit and raucously taunted the American team when the third goal was waved off(rightfully, I'm not sure what Fritsche was thinking) would seem to disagree with you.
You really see a problem with this? I sure don't. Canadians are very passionate about hockey and we would love to see the favourites lose. Bob McKenzie is correct, in a twisted way it is a sign of respect for the American team.
 
Hockeycanada said:
You really see a problem with this? I sure don't. Canadians are very passionate about hockey and we would love to see the favourites lose. Bob McKenzie is correct, in a twisted way it is a sign of respect for the American team.
I agree with you.The U.S are the big boys on the block this year,why would we cheer a team that will most likely be our and everyones toughest opponent in a tourney that we want to win so much?

It's hockey,we're Canada.....................we've got no pals here.We want to win,they are in the way.We are'nt going to cheer for them.By cheering against them it signals our respect more then anything else.Sorry if some people don't understand that.
 
I just watched the game as well and the Americans looked pretty good. Kessel looked a lot more mature and not as "puck hoggish" as hes been described. The two Johnson's are really good and it will be interesting to see them play against the Canadian forwards. Skille looked good as well hes going to be a good power forward in the NHL one day. There are some weak spots. I thought guys like Niskanen,Davis,Gerbe,Chorney,Wheeler, and Mitera looked subpar out there.
Im not sold on Bobby Ryan he reminds me of Pavel Brendl a guy who put up all world numbers in the WHL a few years ago but couldnt cut it as a pro. Its pretty hard to judge a team when your playing someone as weak as Norway
 
Fans have a right to cheer for one team and against another.

Lately, I've been pretty superstitious about hubrus in sports. Let the Canadians do the trash talking. ;)
 
cyclops said:
I agree with you.The U.S are the big boys on the block this year,why would we cheer a team that will most likely be our and everyones toughest opponent in a tourney that we want to win so much?

It's hockey,we're Canada.....................we've got no pals here.We want to win,they are in the way.We are'nt going to cheer for them.By cheering against them it signals our respect more then anything else.Sorry if some people don't understand that.

Ill cheer for the Americans before I would ever cheer for the Russians or the Czechs
 
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