DW is a Western German propaganda outlet. One of the worst kind among german ones. Of course they will crap on GDR with all they have. The whole narrative persists in the West about life in the East because of the outcome of the Codl War. Little of it is true and most of it is the enduring Cold War propaganda. There were major differences between systems. Some freedoms we did not have, some freedoms and right s you don't have inthe West still, but we had them back then. It was just different. The horror stories are and were mostly overblown on both sides.
WJC 20/21 should be cancelled
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OK, I was just guessing that you don't care much about international hockey (resp. that many NA fans don't). But the main line of my argument was that reducing the number of participating countries would be analogical to reducing the number of teams at the World Cup of soccer or basketball World Championship. If Germany or Brazil can play Algeria or Japan in soccer, why couldn't Canada or Russia play Germany or Austria in hockey? That has been my point.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
I would prefer not living under Soviet rule too. So I can’t blame them.
But did you live under it? I did. And I would do it now any day of the week.
Yes and it also claims to be a democratic republic.
I understand the common confusion about this, but the gulf between those two countries in terms of policies and standard of living, etc.. is just too wide to lump them together.
When people often say a country is "communist" what it typically refers to is that they are governed by a communist party. But communist parties don't all do the same thing. What makes a party communist is (or used to be) the ambition to create communism on earth - a classless, moneyless, stateless society. Those parties didn't know how to implement that, and they never pretended to have actually achieved that end goal. Instead each country follows its own path. East Germany was a heavily regulated socialist economy with limited markets, with a European style welfare state kind of like West Germany. There wasn't free speech but if you wanted to live a relaxed life you could. Excluding the immediate postwar years there weren't forced labor camps all over the country like in North Korea, which is an autarkic basketcase.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
Im Canadian. So no. However I’m fairly sure this German team wasn’t forced to go AT GUNPOINT AND THREAT OF THEIR LIFE. Which is the reason for this thing currently.
I'm going to guess "living under Soviet rule" means something very different to a Russian socialist than it does to a German. In Germany that means foreign domination. In Russia it could mean a stronger welfare state with easier worklife, or some people have nostalgia for regimented/brutal Stalinist stuff, I'm guessing that's not what you are getting at.
Yeah, yeah, I don't take those seriously anyway. Of course the structure of eastern german sports was very strict. It had to be as a very small nation was competing on the highest level with huge sports nations and successfully too. If you look at the medal counts, they are actually mind boggling considering how small the country and population was. But it wasn't to the extent of forcing somebody to go out there at gunpoint. Btw back in the day I myself enjoyed a year or so at a easter german sports school as a kid. First of all they were tough as nails and the requirements were sky-high, the training routines were just about at physical breaking point. But that's how they reached that level. Discipline was huge, but no, nobody would force you. If you were not good enough(and many weren't) you would just not be able to stay. It was a notch tougher than the soviet sports school for sure.
Algeria and Japan have actually pulled off those huge upset wins before, and thanks the low-scoring nature of soccer there is always a greater chance of that.
To clarify, I don't consider this proposal to be reducing the number of teams in the tournament. I want a system where you play teams at your level, and you move up by winning. I don't know the name of it but there is a tournament structure that is meant to match opponents together who are at the same level. If someone can remind me the name, I'd like to google it.
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Why did East German women do so much better in the Olympics than their men if not for the doping? Yes, they trained him and, but the doping program was what created their advantage.
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I did too and I would never want to be back. Moscow and Leningrad were two cities with an acceptable quality of life. The rest of Russia sucked big time.
Dueling Banjos
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Offtopic but Slovenian band called 'Laibach' made this song that captures the entire 'behind the iron curtain' feel.
Dr Quincy
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When the 1st Dream Team was put together in 1992 other countries knew they were going to get killed, but knew that they only way they'd ever be better was to experience playing the best.
Those countries and the countries in the IIHF disagree with your take. I mean, you are certainly welcome to it, just understand that those teams find value in experiencing the best competition, even if it means they have no chance.... for now.
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That's the reality of life under the thumb of Hockey Canada and its lapdog, the IIHF. It will be that way until righteous hockey comrades around the world rise up and end this Canadian conspiracy.
The US also doing their fair share of doping... but oddly enough ppl just like to point out Russia/Soviet and Easter Europe and Easter Germany... when in reality the western world isnt that much better if even at all...
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The pint is the doping was why the East German women did so much better in the Olympics than their men, and not nearly so much the training. The German hockey players today don’t go through that.
Because USADA actually tries to catch the wrongdoers instead of assisting them in doping.
So you mean that only the women of Eastern Germany used performance enhancing drugs and not the men? Do you have sources to back that up with?
Sure
still remeber Jon Jones fight vs Gustafsson they all made up excuses about the shit they found in his tests Wada and USADA are big jokes where $$$ talks.
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No. I’m saying the doping practices of the East German’s enhanced their women more than their men as proven in their Olympic results. The hockey players were watching in this WJC don’t experience anything like the East German athletes did.
MarkusKetterer
Shoulda got one game in
So the RCMP, the KGB, the CIA, and whatever national police of Sweden and Finland, plus the German national police went to every German player, pointed assault rifles at them and their family, and demanded that they participate in this tournament?
Answer this with “Yes” or “No”, and not with some conspiracy theory ramble.
Or that other countries back in this days didnt give a shit about woman sports and enhanced their men equally to the East German?
And yes i agree with you that this guys in this tournamnet hasent experiend anything like they did back in eastern Germany...
That is not what it was or how it was perceived. Did western Germans though they are living under the american rule? No. But in way they did and still do. That's how life works. Those big politics things do not affect every day life though. From living in the GDR and speaking to Germans also years afterwards I found out that our every dya life in the SU and that in the GDR were remarkably similar. Good and bad things. And they certainly did not see the the SU as an evil foreign power that occupies their land. Theat is how western propaganda pictures it.
Comparing women to men is absurd. Just different sports. Russian women are also much beter than russain men at figure skating. So what?
Doping in the GDR was an issue. It is proven and a fact. But so was it in most other countries too at the time. Let's not make the GDR the scapegoat here. There are tons of ugly stories all around the world.
