WJC 20/21 should be cancelled

[Albatros]

That is not what it was or how it was perceived. Did western Germans though they are living under the american rule? No. But in way they did and still do. That's how life works. Those big politics things do not affect every day life though. From living in the GDR and speaking to Germans also years afterwards I found out that our every dya life in the SU and that in the GDR were remarkably similar. Good and bad things. And they certainly did not see the the SU as an evil foreign power that occupies their land. Theat is how western propaganda pictures it.

Why do you think they needed walls, electric fences, and minefields to keep their population from leaving? Even some of the best hockey players in the west had defected from the east for better life in freedom.

 

[aphyro]

Comparing women to men is absurd. Just different sports. Russian women are also much beter than russain men at figure skating. So what?

Doping in the GDR was an issue. It is proven and a fact. But so was it in most other countries too at the time. Let's not make the GDR the scapegoat here. There are tons of ugly stories all around the world.

Everyone is enhancing their sportsmen... even Norway doing it in skiing, never seen a team with that many asthmatic as the whole Norweigan national team in skiing... but then again it's not called doping even tho everyone knows it's a preformance enhancing drugs they gets.

 

[majormajor]

I have to say that I enjoy posting in a thread that is thoroughly inane from its opening post onward, I don't have to feel any guilt about changing the subject at a whim.

That is not what it was or how it was perceived. Did western Germans though they are living under the american rule? No. But in way they did and still do. That's how life works. Those big politics things do not affect every day life though. From living in the GDR and speaking to Germans also years afterwards I found out that our every dya life in the SU and that in the GDR were remarkably similar. Good and bad things. And they certainly did not see the the SU as an evil foreign power that occupies their land. Theat is how western propaganda pictures it.

I had hosts in Pomerania that remember their life in the GDR fondly. If you ask them about the GDR they have a lot of nice things to say about the pace of life, solidarity, public benefits, etc.... But I would not ask them "what was life like under Soviet rule", it leads to a different type of response. I agree that "Soviet rule" is misleading, that's why I'm suggesting to you that it is not the right thing to ask to a German.

 

[Hanji]

Because USADA actually tries to catch the wrongdoers instead of assisting them in doping.

Gimme a break. USADA turns a blind eye to doping. In fact the entire olympic committee turns a blind eye to most everything until it becomes a public relations problem. Then we place blame on the athlete and pat ourselves on the back for catching the wrongdoers.

 

[aphyro]

Gimme a break. USADA turns a blind eye to doping. In fact the entire olympic committee turns a blind eye to most everything until it becomes a public relations problem. Then we place blame on the athlete and pat ourselves on the back for catching the wrongdoers.

I think that is the samething all over the world and not just some countries tbh... I for a second dont think our antidoping here in Sweden is any better than other countries.

 

[BigBadBoar]

Algeria and Japan have actually pulled off those huge upset wins before, and thanks the low-scoring nature of soccer there is always a greater chance of that.

To clarify, I don't consider this proposal to be reducing the number of teams in the tournament. I want a system where you play teams at your level, and you move up by winning. I don't know the name of it but there is a tournament structure that is meant to match opponents together who are at the same level. If someone can remind me the name, I'd like to google it.

Can you explain how that tournament system would work. Looks similar to me to the current system of relegation/promotion. Or you mean that the relegation/promotion would take place within the single tournament? How would that work?

 

[majormajor]

Why do you think they needed walls, electric fences, and minefields to keep their population from leaving? Even some of the best hockey players in the west had defected from the east for better life in freedom.

- There was a legit problem of political repression in the GDR.

- The East was poorer than the West, people migrate towards money. The East was agrarian and backward long before GDR came along, the most prosperous industry in Germany was in the West, it has been that way for 150+ years. Agrarian sector has declined in relative terms in just about every country. East Germany also had to pay much more WW2 reparations.

- If you are in a high demand field you are probably much richer in a capitalist country. Wage disparities were like 10-1 in Soviet Russia (I'm guessing similar in GDR), and would have been more like 100-1 in Postwar western europe (much worse today). Russian hockey players keep moving to the west to try and make the NHL, because you make fortunes in the NHL, and today it is people like Fetisov that try to find ways to stop them! That's not a problem of communism. You may have also heard about brain drain effects around the world - for instance Egypt has doctor shortages despite Egypt training the most doctors, etc.. There is still East-West migration in Germany today, and it has nothing to do with communism.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

Still, that poster claimed the German players were forced AT GUNPOINT to play in this tournament. Like they had two choices. You’ll play or be killed. And somehow that didn’t make international media.

Satire is lost on some.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

That's the reality of life under the thumb of Hockey Canada and its lapdog, the IIHF. It will be that way until righteous hockey comrades around the world rise up and end this Canadian conspiracy.

LOL keep these posts coming they're hilarious. I can't get enough of the clueless responding to them.

 

[majormajor]

Can you explain how that tournament system would work. Looks similar to me to the current system of relegation/promotion. Or you mean that the relegation/promotion would take place within the single tournament? How would that work?

In fairness to you I've gone back and forth. I did first discuss having multiple tiers with a relegation/promotion between them.

But there is a tournament system I've seen before in e-sports where the teams only play others around their level yet there isn't any discontinuity or tiers. I'm trying to find the name of the system so I can discuss it properly. In that system Germany might be able to end up playing Canada in the round robin part of a tournament, but they'd have to beat the Czechs and Finns first, that sort of thing. Or Canada would have to lose to the Finns and Czechs before being matched with the Germans.

I like that idea because it keeps the dream of a big upset alive, but it spares Germany from having to play Canada if Germany is having an abysmal year like this one.

 

[LEAFSANDBILLSFAN]

So the RCMP, the KGB, the CIA, and whatever national police of Sweden and Finland, plus the German national police went to every German player, pointed assault rifles at them and their family, and demanded that they participate in this tournament?

Answer this with “Yes” or “No”, and not with some conspiracy theory ramble.

Please tell me english is your second language or you're under 16. How can you not honestly pick up his posts are satire?

 

[majormajor]

LOL keep these posts coming they're hilarious. I can't get enough of the clueless responding to them.

I'd admire the satire a little more if I could see what it is satirizing. I just came here today and I'm seeing this nutter going on about Canada controlling the IIHF.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Please tell me english is your second language or you're under 16. How can you not honestly pick up his posts are satire?

Why can’t it be both?!

Satire is exaggeration of truth to an amusing effect. This fails on 2/3 of those things.

 

[Hanji]

I think that is the samething all over the world and not just some countries tbh... I for a second dont think our antidoping here in Sweden is any better than other countries.

Totally. But for the US this 'lack of oversight' governance style transcends doping. As long we're winning medals, all is good. See no evil, hear no evil. Just don't get caught. And then we feel morally superior to Russia or whoever. Unfortunately this is exactly how hundreds of gymnasts are able to be sexually molested for years though.

 

[BigBadBoar]

In fairness to you I've gone back and forth. I did first discuss having multiple tiers with a relegation/promotion between them.

But there is a tournament system I've seen before in e-sports where the teams only play others around their level yet there isn't any discontinuity or tiers. I'm trying to find the name of the system so I can discuss it properly. In that system Germany might be able to end up playing Canada in the round robin part of a tournament, but they'd have to beat the Czechs and Finns first, that sort of thing. Or Canada would have to lose to the Finns and Czechs before being matched with the Germans.

I like that idea because it keeps the dream of a big upset alive, but it spares Germany from having to play Canada if Germany is having an abysmal year like this one.

It sounds interesting if you present it like this but I cannot imagine how it could work in a tournament where the number of games for each team must of course be very limited (much more than in e-sports).

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Ok, well the tournament is playing...can this be closed yet?

 

[JackSlater]

So the RCMP, the KGB, the CIA, and whatever national police of Sweden and Finland, plus the German national police went to every German player, pointed assault rifles at them and their family, and demanded that they participate in this tournament?

Answer this with some conspiracy theory ramble.

Can you think of a reason that the German youths would willingly come to Canada and while shorthanded face that firing squad last night, just to amuse Canadian fans? The fans wouldn't even show the Germans the respect of showing up and as everyone here says only Canadians care anyway. Surely no people would face the inhumane treatment that the Germans faced last night without a gun pointed at their back. It is well known that the RCMP's reach extends far beyond Canada's borders. Do you think it is a coincidence that covid just happened and now Canada hosts the tournament twice in a row? Rene Fasel suddenly can't show up, but his successor Frank Gonzalez is waiting in the wings, the IIHF representative from Spain... but also a Canadian citizen. Follow the $. T$N wouldn't allow the Germans the chance to change the schedule and prevent Canada from a creampuff opener, which the Canadian masses of course ate up voraciously.

 

[Albatros]

The East was poorer than the West, people migrate towards money. The East was agrarian and backward long before GDR came along, the most prosperous industry in Germany was in the West, it has been that way for 150+ years. Agrarian sector has declined in relative terms in just about every country. East Germany also had to pay much more WW2 reparations.

That's a bit too simplified, what is now known as "the East" became that only in 1945 as territories east of it were lost. Of these Silesia was as highly industrialized as any and cities located in between like Berlin, Leipzig, and Dresden had some of the highest standards of life in Europe with a prominent role in sports as well, Berlin teams dominated German hockey at the time.

This new East was indeed hit harder by the transfer of industrial installations to the Soviet Union after the war, while the Americans in the West were much more interested in confiscating intellectual property. Subsequently recovery was much slower in the East and in many ways it never did recover, encouraging people to dream of life in the West. But the fewest of these were impoverished farmers although some did flee collectivization.

 

[ORRFForever]

We're at the half way point and I can't imagine this not finishing.

Kudos / Thank you to everyone involved. They pulled it off.

 

[SantosHalper]

Ask and you shall receive, Swedes got cancelled from the tournament.

 

[Melrose Munch]

It's been a pretty crappy tournament.

 

[Imnotagoodposter]

I was big player in German, kgb came to door told me play Russia, mom call said
“No”

 

[Hanji]

The overall level of play has been underwhelming. Teams appear far more disjointed than normal. But this should have been expected.
That said, I suppose it's the best we can do under the circumstances.

 

[Atas2000]

Ask and you shall receive, Swedes got cancelled from the tournament.

The great conspiracy of the COVID pandemic was created to make the Finns win the QF.