WJC 20/21 should be cancelled

[Canada4Gold]

For the love of God, nobody tell that guy that we’re only using Canadian refs this year!

Who cares about the refs, what Nationality Camera are they using? Need Russian cameras to balance out the unfairness that was last year

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

This is the works we’re living in. The same thing is happening in other sports.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Is this the dumb take thread now or something? Should be no testing of the players. Jesus christ lol

How about you explain why I’m wrong?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

How about you explain why I’m wrong?

I mean...it is an infectious disease? Just because it isn't a risk to them doesn't mean it isn't a risk. I can't believe we are this far in and it needs to be explained honestly. If contracting the disease had strictly personal consequences then it would definitely be a hell of a lot easier to deal with but it isn't.

 

[Statsy]

There should be no testing of the players. They are all healthy 18-20 year old 1% athletes. There’s no reason to think they are at any risk. I’d rather not further ruin this tournament for a few health bureaucrats to be satisfied that they ruined what would’ve ended up being the most satisfying hockey experience of many of these kids careers. Undoubtedly more will get added to the list without good reason.

Are we also going to use 18-20 year old coaches and support staff? Just curious.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I mean...it is an infectious disease? Just because it isn't a risk to them doesn't mean it isn't a risk. I can't believe we are this far in and it needs to be explained honestly. If contracting the disease had strictly personal consequences then it would definitely be a hell of a lot easier to deal with but it isn't.

It statistically does not have consequences for probably every member of the traveling group for all these teams. They are also playing in a bubble. Who does it have consequences for?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Are we also going to use 18-20 year old coaches and support staff? Just curious.

Are these unhealthy coaches in their 80’s and 90’s? Last time I checked these coaches are slightly older (but not at an age where there’s any significant risk) 1% athletes.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

It statistically does not have consequences for probably every member of the traveling group for all these teams. They are also playing in a bubble. Who does it have consequences for?

I mean...the staff? It also is inherently not a Covid bubble....if you ya know don't test everyone for Covid. These teams are also going to be staying in a hotel with staff of all ages that are actual human beings that would probably like to go home healthy from their job. The fact that covid won't kill the players is frankly irrelevant and the entire conversation is just kind of a microcosm of the selfishness that has made this entire thing far worse then it had to be.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Are we also going to use 18-20 year old coaches and support staff? Just curious.

Yes this is the U20 why not, also U20 refs, and announcers. Also the rinks we play in must have been built less than 20 years ago, in cities that didn't exist 20 years ago. Every 20 years they must come out with a new format because the current one would then become too old

 

[Statsy]

Are these unhealthy coaches in their 80’s and 90’s? Last time I checked these coaches are slightly older (but not at an age where there’s any significant risk) 1% athletes.

You don’t need to be 80+ to be at a high risk. Being 60 (Larionov for one) will definitely put you in a higher risk group. In fact there are plenty of underlying health factors that can make this more problematic.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I mean...the staff? It also is inherently not a Covid bubble....if you ya know don't test everyone for Covid. These teams are also going to be staying in a hotel with staff of all ages that are actual human beings that would probably like to go home healthy from their job. The fact that covid won't kill the players is frankly irrelevant and the entire conversation is just kind of a microcosm of the selfishness that has made this entire thing far worse then it had to be.

I said the whole traveling group. I don’t believe I’m wrong about that. If there is one or two people at risk in the traveling group for every country, it makes for sense for them to stay back as opposed to players.

And the tournament is taking place in a bubble. They will not be allowed to interact with the rest of society once they get to Edmonton. They don’t need to be tested to be in this bubble. Why would they?

The fact of the matter is that there’s minimal risk to anyone involved in any way for this tournament. I would rather a few people here or there sit out of their job in some capacity for this tournament that are at risk than have the stars of this tournament be forced to miss the tournament if they test positive for a virus that has poses nearly zero risk to their health.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You don’t need to be 80+ to be at a high risk. Being 60 (Larionov for one) will definitely put you in a higher risk group. In fact there are plenty of underlying health factors that can make this more problematic.

Is there a significant death rate for healthy 60 year olds who test positive for COVID?

Regardless, and you know this is true, 95% of all participants in this tournament from players, coaches, staff, arena staff, hotel staff, restaurant staff are at nearly no risk. I would rather have 5% sit out than have this erratic testing that could ruin the tournament.

 

[ORRFForever]

There should be no testing of the players. They are all healthy 18-20 year old 1% athletes. There’s no reason to think they are at any risk. I’d rather not further ruin this tournament for a few health bureaucrats to be satisfied that they ruined what would’ve ended up being the most satisfying hockey experience of many of these kids careers. Undoubtedly more will get added to the list without good reason.

You make a good point.

 

[Statsy]

Is there a significant death rate for healthy 60 year olds who test positive for COVID?

Regardless, and you know this is true, 95% of all participants in this tournament from players, coaches, staff, arena staff, hotel staff, restaurant staff are at nearly no risk. I would rather have 5% sit out than have this erratic testing that could ruin the tournament.

So you’re saying that 5% of people in this tournament are at risk of severe illness or death... and you’re cool with those numbers? This is really the argument you’re going with???

 

[ORRFForever]

I mean...it is an infectious disease? Just because it isn't a risk to them doesn't mean it isn't a risk. I can't believe we are this far in and it needs to be explained honestly. If contracting the disease had strictly personal consequences then it would definitely be a hell of a lot easier to deal with but it isn't.

You also have a good point.

I just wish health officials had a more realistic quarantine window than 14 days. The CDC said the window should be 7 to 10 days and that would have made things easier.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So you’re saying that 5% of people in this tournament are at risk of severe illness or death... and you’re cool with those numbers? This is really the argument you’re going with???

I didn’t say it’s 5%. I believe there probably are some people who would be involved in this tournament in some capacity among those groups I named and other groups that are at significant risk due to age or underlying conditions. I don’t know the number. It could be 2%.

Should we have hotel worker #10 and doctor #4 sit out or Henriksson and Eklund? It’ll undoubtedly be more. We all know that someone like Askarov, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras, Knight Raymond, Byfield, Byram, Drysdale, Stuetzle is testing positive at some point, and maybe that’s the night before the gold medal game. Do you want that deciding the tournament winner?

Why would you try to isolate those that are at nearly no health risk as opposed to those at a health risk? That’s my point, not what you are suggesting.

 

[Buggsy]

Having no tournament is better than having one where some players can’t go? Do you think the rest of team Sweden doesn’t want to play because of those two?

Also to the comments of why bother testing because of bubble, even if we ignore the remote chance of a severe reaction to players, the older staff and support groups and employees on the facilities, what are your plans for when the tournament ends? Do these players just go back to normal life hoping they don’t have COVID?

What a bizarre hill to stand on for a junior tournament.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You also have a good point.

I just wish health officials had a more realistic quarantine window than 14 days. The CDC said the window should be 7 to 10 days and that would have made things easier.

It also belies all logic. If these kids are going to have COVID antibodies before the tournament starts, why aren’t they allowed to enter Canada? The people who pose a greater risk are the people who have yet to test positive.

 

[ORRFForever]

It also belies all logic. If these kids are going to have COVID antibodies before the tournament starts, why aren’t they allowed to enter Canada? The people who pose a greater risk are the people who have yet to test positive.

TBH, you lost me.

I agree the players have no risk but, as others have said, there are others involved so... Better safe than sorry.

Having said that, again, I wish the window was smaller - as per the CDC.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do these players just go back to normal life hoping they don’t have COVID?

Yes, and guess what, they could also contract it when they go back to normal life. COVID doesn’t go away because you played in the world juniors without testing positive. They will have to live with this threat in upcoming months. I’m not sure of your point.

 

[Treb]

There should be no testing of the players. They are all healthy 18-20 year old 1% athletes. There’s no reason to think they are at any risk. I’d rather not further ruin this tournament for a few health bureaucrats to be satisfied that they ruined what would’ve ended up being the most satisfying hockey experience of many of these kids careers. Undoubtedly more will get added to the list without good reason.

Reminds me of Chickenpox parties.
Chickenpox | Complications | Varicella | CDC

Deaths are very rare now due to the vaccine program. However, some deaths from chickenpox continue to occur in healthy, unvaccinated children and adults. In the past, many of the healthy adults who died from chickenpox contracted the disease from their unvaccinated children.

There's also growing evidence of long term damage even in mild cases, not sure future pro player are interested in that.

 

[Buggsy]

Yes, and guess what, they could also contract it when they go back to normal life. COVID doesn’t go away because you played in the world juniors without testing positive. They will have to live with this threat in upcoming months. I’m not sure of your point.

The point being your plan is to not test at all, which could allow for a lot of players being positive with no knowledge and then returning to regular life and infecting others.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The point being your plan is to not test at all, which could allow for a lot of players being positive with no knowledge and then returning to regular life and infecting others.

The overwhelming majority of people are not tested on a daily basis. Yes, these players could infect people when they return, as could anyone. Everyone knows that they need to take precautions because there’s a chance they could interact with people who might infect them.

 

[ORRFForever]

The overwhelming majority of people are not tested on a daily basis. Yes, these players could infect people when they return, as could anyone. Everyone knows that they need to take precautions because there’s a chance they could interact with people who might infect them.

It's a moot point, PB. The rules are set and teams will have to comply or they won't be allowed to play. It's unfortunate because I, like you, wanted to see all the best players at the WJR's.

I just hope the tournament gets played because, as I've said before, I NEED this and I'm not alone. I have never seen my fellow Canadians this excited about a WJR's in a long time - and, as you know, we love our World Juniors.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's a moot point, PB. The rules are set and teams will have to comply or they won't be allowed to play. It's unfortunate because I, like you, wanted to see all the best players at the WJR's.

I just hope the tournament gets played because, as I've said before, I NEED this and I'm not alone. I have never seen my fellow Canadians this excited about a WJR's in a long time - and, as you know, we love our World Juniors.

What if you’re Sweden and two of your best players aren’t allowed to play when they won’t even have COVID days before the tournament starts? Would you be all about these protocols? Yes, I realize they were set in advance and rules are rules, but I think we should also be questioning these protocols because they are not common sense.