GDT: WJC ‘23

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Slovaks looked like a Darryl Sutter LA Kings team. Watch the NHL copy that in3 years time and the oilers will be too small and a step behind again.
Sacrilegious but I enjoyed watching the Slovaks game in this one more than the dangle fest Canada style. They were a hard, heavy and big team that kept grinding with a simple game. Happy Canada won and in dramatic fashion. But I was very impressed by today's opposition.
 
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Sacrilegious but I enjoyed watching the Slovaks game in this one more than the dangle fest Canada style. They were a hard, heavy and big team that kept grinding with a simple game. Happy Canada won and in dramatic fashion. But I was very impressed by today's opposition.
Its kind of funny because at beginning of tournament, Canada’s coach was like we have to use our size to grind down the opposition. Then he just resorted to playing Bedard and Stankoven pretty much.

I actually saw Shaeffer grind down the other team a bit (in other games) and forecheck pretty effectively but such limited ice time.
 
Its kind of funny because at beginning of tournament, Canada’s coach was like we have to use our size to grind down the opposition. Then he just resorted to playing Bedard and Stankoven pretty much.

I actually saw Shaeffer grind down the other team a bit and forecheck pretty effectively but such limited ice time.
I haven't seen a 'traditional' Team Canada game in this tournament. Full on skill which is great but need to play a heavy game to force mistakes. Canada's defense has only looked ok. Slovak looked like men with their size and aggressive game. Ice tilted by Canada's skill and the postman stopped several quality stops but Slovak took it to Canada in the third to have an OT chance to advance.

Very little play it seems for Shaefer. Usually it seems Canada finds room for these player types to get ice time and assert themselves as part of Canada's style of tournament play.
 
Bedard is basically McDavid-lite. Players are so afraid of him challenging directly that they play individual defense in a way they wouldn’t normally play, which just gives him more room to beat them with moves.

He’s going to be somewhere in between Matthews and McDavid at the NHL level. He doesn’t have McDavid’s speed but he has a Matthews level release with good edge work and McDavid level hand speed.
 
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Bedard is basically McDavid-lite. Players are so afraid of him challenging directly that they play individual defense in a way they wouldn’t normally play, which just gives him more room to beat them with moves.

He’s going to be somewhere in between Matthews and McDavid at the NHL level. He doesn’t have McDavid’s speed but he has a Matthews level release with good edge work and McDavid level hand speed.

He doesn’t have the size either of McDavid or Matthews (who is bigger). His skating is good but it’s not very dynamic. How he projects into the NHL will be pretty fascinating.

I think he might be Caufield plus.
 
This is how close Slovakia came to winning the game last night...

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Despite the media hype, I haven’t been impressed with this team. Sure they beat up on two teams that everybody else did too but they haven’t looked very good against the real teams.
Yep, The two opponents that could even give Canada trouble gave them gobs of it. I find this Canadian team pretty unattractive in how they play. Lack of grit, solid Defending etc.
 
Very impressed with the rise of Czechia and Slovak hockey. Once a hockey super power as the formerly known as Czechoslovakia this tournament and recent year is seeing the rise of two both countries as top talent producing countries. Slovak looked like a Team Canada type team with big, heavy defense corp and Canada the European team with its skill attack game.

Fortunate to live and fight another day. Slovakia was all that.
Was this really a rise in those opponents or the result of fancy dan clubs that refuse to play the way a Canadian Juniors club used to play. Canada lacked grit, organization, and defensive play in the two games that were difficult. Any of the comments being made in the thread now are after the fact of Canada having won the game, which they could have lost.

Without the uniforms and names you wouldn't know which of the teams was Team Canada. More like Team Toe drag. Got tired of watching it. Even after the Czech game in which the coach called out Bedard and others they play like this.

To my eye there are no great teams in this tournament. The observed parity is more due to that. Russia not in, Sweden and Finland weak relatively, US and Canada faltering,
 
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Was this really a rise in those opponents or the result of fancy dan clubs that refuse to play the way a Canadian Juniors club used to play. Canada lacked grit, organization, and defensive play in the two games that were difficult. Any of the comments being made in the thread now are after the fact of Canada having won the game, which they could have lost.

Without the uniforms and names you wouldn't know which of the teams was Team Canada. More like Team Toe drag. Got tired of watching it. Even after the Czech game in which the coach called out Bedard and others they play like this.

To my eye there are no great teams in this tournament. The observed parity is more due to that. Russia not in, Sweden and Finland weak relatively, US and Canada faltering,
My comment about the rise in Czechia and Slovak hockey was meant to speak broadly about their rise in elite talent recently. The Slovak's didn't even have their best junior age player available 1st overall pick Slafkovsky. But specific to this tournament both teams schooled Team Canada and 'Merica in preliminary games. Like cleaned their clocks schooled. Big, hard teams both with a heavy, grind game.

I made the in game comment that Team Canada looked more like a European team while Slovakia was playing a more workmanlike, hard traditional Team Canada style of play. I love high end skill but without complementing hard, physical play it is lacking a key ingredient to win, imo. Not impressed by Team Canada's defense corp which is always a great strength.

Made my eyes roll when Team Canada dandies were rolling out the lacrosse goal attempts in game one and proceeded to get overwhelmed by a harder, physical team. Too much individual soft finesse stuff reading press clippings about how great this team was before stepping on the ice.

Still, it is a great thing for Canada to face adversity in the preliminary round and now the medal round knock out phase. I expect them to beat a similar skill based team with 'Merica (no guarantees). What I would be most interested in is a repeat of playing Team Czechia for gold. How does this team adjust to play against the team that overwhelmed them in preliminary play.
 
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My comment about the rise in Czechia and Slovak hockey was meant to speak broadly about their rise in elite talent recently. The Slovak's didn't even have their best junior age player available 1st overall pick Slafkovsky. But specific to this tournament both teams schooled Team Canada and 'Merica in preliminary games. Like cleaned their clocks schooled. Big, hard teams both with a heavy, grind game.

I made the in game comment that Team Canada looked more like a European team while Slovakia was playing a more workmanlike, hard traditional Team Canada style of play. I love high end skill but without complementing hard, physical play it is lacking a key ingredient to win, imo. Not impressed by Team Canada's defense corp which is always a great strength.

Made my eyes roll when Team Canada dandies were rolling out the lacrosse goal attempts in game one and proceeded to get overwhelmed by a harder, physical team. Too much individual soft finesse stuff reading press clippings about how great this team was before stepping on the ice.

Still, it is a great thing for Canada to face adversity in the preliminary round and now the medal round knock out phase. I expect them to beat a similar skill based team with 'Merica (no guarantees). What I would be most interested in is a repeat of playing Team Czechia for gold. How does this team adjust to play against the team that overwhelmed them in preliminary play.
I understand we're agreed on a lot of this. But my notion was the the Canadian and American teams are playing a pretty fromage game that is susceptible to being beat just by size and hard work. This Canadian team is butter soft. Its a bad tournament, jmo, when you wish your National side was playing more like Czechs and Slovaks and no diss meant to those sides. Just that this team Canada's fancy play is underwhelming. I just can't get behind it. Its as if nobdy around selection or running of this team has even given much of a thought to its player constituent ingredients and how said team would end up playing. These kinds of things used to be carefully thought about in selection. Now it just seems like they picked mostly fancy dans and called it a team. So that they play like a sloppy allstar team.
 
I understand we're agreed on a lot of this. But my notion was the the Canadian and American teams are playing a pretty fromage game that is susceptible to being beat just by size and hard work. This Canadian team is butter soft. Its a bad tournament, jmo, when you wish your National side was playing more like Czechs and Slovaks and no diss meant to those sides. Just that this team Canada's fancy play is underwhelming. I just can't get behind it. Its as if nobdy around selection or running of this team has even given much of a thought to its player constituent ingredients and how said team would end up playing. These kinds of things used to be carefully thought about in selection. Now it just seems like they picked mostly fancy dans and called it a team. So that they play like a sloppy allstar team.
There's always controversy about Team Canada selections with so much quality talent available. A bit of a strange year with high skill NHL players returned to play in this tournament. On one hand it is great to see Canada have such elite, dominating skill but agree it seems lacking in the hard areas on-ice and work boots character that traditionally drive its identity and tournament success.

It's a strange tournament to not see Russia involved, one of the tournament's elite. That knocks up Austria to add one more seal club victim for stat padding. I pretty much tuned out Canada's games against Germany and Austria and even against a sub-par Sweden team (moreso conflict with NYEve plans).

As we've chatted, its been a strange Freaky Friday experience to see the style of play seemingly change bodies between Canada and the Czechia and Slovakia teams. We're seeing some incredible individual skill and personal results for Team Canada but the cohesion and winning formula has been tested, ironically by the formula which Canada has used for sustaining success.
 
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There's always controversy about Team Canada selections with so much quality talent available. A bit of a strange year with high skill NHL players returned to play in this tournament. On one hand it is great to see Canada have such elite, dominating skill but agree it seems lacking in the hard areas on-ice and work boots character that traditionally drive its identity and tournament success.

It's a strange tournament to not see Russia involved, one of the tournament's elite. That knocks up Austria to add one more seal club victim for stat padding. I pretty much tuned out Canada's games against Germany and Austria and even against a sub-par Sweden team (moreso conflict with NYEve plans).

As we've chatted, its been a strange Freaky Friday experience to see the style of play seemingly change bodies between Canada and the Czechia and Slovakia teams. We're seeing some incredible individual skill and personal results for Team Canada but the cohesion and winning formula has been tested, ironically by the formula which Canada has used for sustaining success.
Agreed with pretty much everything in reply. Even before Canada started blowing out Germany with the 5minute PP and also Wolf being awful in the game Germany were trying to be physical with Canada and trying to lean on them and play Canadian hockey. I thought that was interesting. Even the major itself was due to how Germany were playing uber physical hockey. But the German team lacked the goaltending and structure it sometimes otherwise have.
 
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Funny... They remind me a lot of the Oilers! All offense, cheating defense, and suspect goaltending.
Yeah, I had a similar retch reaction and bile false alarms coming up occasionally. This Team Canada gives me acid reflux at best. Worse I oddly have no connection to the team whereas we all have Oilers Blue in our blood. I turn off Team Canada because I just lack enough give a shit to be frustrated at how they play. Not the team I'd pick.
 
Funny... They remind me a lot of the Oilers! All offense, cheating defense, and suspect goaltending.
Is everything Bobby Nicks fault? The culture he created for hockey Canada still going strong. Relax boys you’re going to be rich and get everything you want in life if you follow me!
 
Bedard is basically McDavid-lite. Players are so afraid of him challenging directly that they play individual defense in a way they wouldn’t normally play, which just gives him more room to beat them with moves.

He’s going to be somewhere in between Matthews and McDavid at the NHL level. He doesn’t have McDavid’s speed but he has a Matthews level release with good edge work and McDavid level hand speed.
Agreed with most but I havnt seen anything really close to McDavids level of hand speed. His shot looks good against WJC competition and its similar to Matthews in style...but to match Matthews release/scoring in the NHL is a tall order.
 
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Bedard is basically McDavid-lite. Players are so afraid of him challenging directly that they play individual defense in a way they wouldn’t normally play, which just gives him more room to beat them with moves.

He’s going to be somewhere in between Matthews and McDavid at the NHL level. He doesn’t have McDavid’s speed but he has a Matthews level release with good edge work and McDavid level hand speed.

The best descriptor I've seen for him so far was from Leaf media saying he was Marner, except with Matthew's shot/goal scoring ability added in. To me that's pretty much bang on from what I've seen from him.
 
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Bedard is basically McDavid-lite. Players are so afraid of him challenging directly that they play individual defense in a way they wouldn’t normally play, which just gives him more room to beat them with moves.

He’s going to be somewhere in between Matthews and McDavid at the NHL level. He doesn’t have McDavid’s speed but he has a Matthews level release with good edge work and McDavid level hand speed.
I'm very curious to see how he looks against NHL players. His shot and offensive instincts are world class but he is undersized and average to above average speed. His high hockey IQ is what's going to make him a star. I would predict a better goal scorer then Mcdavid and Matthews but a lesser playmaker then Mcdavid. I could see him being a consistent 50-50 player, peaking at 60ish goals and 120ish points.
 
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