Prospect Info: With the 9th Overall Pick the New York Rangers Select Vitali Kravtsov

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For his development would it be better to get him to AHL next year or have him play one more year in KHL there?

I'd leave him in the KHL for one more year. Let him develop in his own environment for another year and once his KHL contract expires, bring him over and have him play in the AHL at age 19 until he forces a call-up.
 
Given how the previous eight picks fell, and who was still available, I was genuinely stunned when we took Kravstov. Didn't even think he would be in the frame when Wahlstrom and Dobson were still there. Really thought at that point we would end up going for the potential 1st pairing D option.

I absolutely love this pick.
 
For his development would it be better to get him to AHL next year or have him play one more year in KHL there?
KHL for the simple reason if there is an expansion draft in 2020 or 2021, he won't have to be protected and will be ineligible for selection.
 
The only thing from the Rangers point of view is that in Hartford, they can give him all the minutes he can handle, whereas in Chelyabinsk, he will taken a backseat to vets and be out of the organization’s control.

He will be 19 in December. Personally I’d rather him here.

He was 3rd on the team in points and 5th on the team in 5v5 TOI (Among forwards). I don't think we have to worry about the minutes he is getting. It's not like Buchnevich in Petrograd where he was constantly on the 4th line after they acquired him.
 
Watch, or Re-Watch his interview.

Kravtsov doesn’t care about money or contracts. He wants to come here ASAP. I say let him.

If you can play in the KHL, then you’re ready for the AHL imo.

Bring him here immediately. Let him play in Hartford. He needs to get acclimated to the smaller surface and tighter checking.

The younger he adapts to this game, the better, imo.
 
For his development would it be better to get him to AHL next year or have him play one more year in KHL there?
I feel like the KHL is a better league. If he gets the minutes he was getting in the playoffs over the whole season, then that would be fine for him. If he’s going to get jerked around like Buch and Shestyorkin have been at SKA, then I’d rather him come over.
 
For his development would it be better to get him to AHL next year or have him play one more year in KHL there?

That would be my question too, in general terms of course.
Historically, how have young (18-19) Russians fared in the AHL?
 
I'd leave him in the KHL for one more year. Let him develop in his own environment for another year and once his KHL contract expires, bring him over and have him play in the AHL at age 19 until he forces a call-up.

The only thing from the Rangers point of view is that in Hartford, they can give him all the minutes he can handle, whereas in Chelyabinsk, he will taken a backseat to vets and be out of the organization’s control.

He will be 19 in December. Personally I’d rather him here.
 
Having him in the AHL this year would be tremendous. Hartford looks to be a pretty damn good team this year and it would do some good to have him playing alongside other guys we hope to make the jump the NHL soon too, like Howden, Hajek, and Lindgren.
 
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He was 3rd on the team in points and 5th on the team in 5v5 TOI (Among forwards). I don't think we have to worry about the minutes he is getting. It's not like Buchnevich in Petrograd where he was constantly on the 4th line after they acquired him.

I’m not sure his playoff performance (I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about since that’s the only place I see him at 3rd) will give him as much cachet to get ice time next season as you believe. Could be wrong, but again... if I were the team I’d want it under my control.
 
Trend of taking players who can come into the organization right away instead of going back to junior continues.

Depending on what happens in the KHL for him this season, he could come over once it ends, similar to what Tolvanen did when his season ended.

I think he's on the roster in October 2019, based on how things go this upcoming season.

Oddly enough, each of their firsts probably project as NHL players in staggering seasons. Lundkvist in 2020/2021 and Miller in 2021/2022.
 
This kid came out of nowhere earlier in the season. He just flipped a switch and has been progressing. I think he's a more all-round player than a guy like Wahlstrom. Kravtsov has that X-factor skill to him. His performance with Chelyabinsk has been nothing short of phenomenal for his age. When you look at him on the ice, he is just controlling the play, against grown men, some former NHL players.

The KHL is the 2nd best league in the world and there's no debate. It's not a development league as some here have said before. For a 17-year old to even get regular minutes is good but Kravtsov did something with those minutes. He was rookie of the year in the KHL, beating Eeli Tolvanen for that award, broke the record for goals by a pre-drafted teenager (previously held by Kuznetsov set when he was 2 years older than Kravtsov is now) and was regarded a top 5 pick on several scouting lists of the teams. It's a question of what you like. A pure sniper like Wahlstrom, or a more well-rounded player like Kravtsov.

Kravtsov has a lot of similarities with Kucherov in the way he plays. He makes things happen out of nothing. He creates so much. I think if there is an aspect where he could improve, it's his shot but with the way he plays, he often puts himself in a position where his skill provides him with high-danger scoring chances. I absolutely love this pick. I still can't believe I actually Whoo'd when I heard Gordie say "From Traktor Chelyabinsk". I was celebrating before his name was even called and I have people look at me like I was crazy. I may have been the only Rangers fan in that building happy with the pick. A lot of people were dead-set on Wahlstrom (and with good reason, if I might add).

I feel Kravtsov is the type of player you need to build around. He is a guy who tilts the ice in your favor whenever he comes off the bench. I hope he stays in Russia for another year and then comes over to try his luck in the NHL. I can see a similar path to Tolvanen for Kravtsov.

Good read. Thank you.
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I'm very happy with the pick despite really wanting Wahlstrom. I also don't think it's irrational to dislike this pick. There's a lot more risk with this player than there is with Wahlstrom. There seems to be more upside too though, which is why I'm good with it.
 
Trend of taking players who can come into the organization right away...

I think he's on the roster in October 2019, based on how things go this upcoming season.

Oddly enough, each of their firsts probably project as NHL players in staggering seasons. Lundkvist in 2020/2021 and Miller in 2021/2022.

Could be. But the talking heads and much of what I've read says he needs a few years before he will be NHL ready. Needs to put on some weight and muscle too.
 
Rangers fans wanted an elite forward. Rangers draft potentially elite forward. Rangers fans proceed to bash the pick. You can't make this stuff up.

My favorite is a certain poster has been bitching about Lias's lack of ceiling for a year. We draft a player with one of the highest ceilings in the draft and he continues bitching. It's almost as if it's not about who we draft with this guy.
 
My favorite is a certain poster has been *****ing about Lias's lack of ceiling for a year. We draft a player with one of the highest ceilings in the draft and he continues *****ing. It's almost as if it's not about who we draft with this guy.

Makes you wonder.

What do Kravtsov and Lias have in common that makes him dislike them so much?

And to add to that: What do the forwards picked right after that, Mittelstadt and Wahlstrom, have in common that he likes them so much?
 
No interpreter's around to help him do an interview at the draft? strange not hearing from the guy they took 9th overall
 
Can anyone translate?




I asked Russian friend to translate she said, he said he is very happy the Rangers picked him, this was his dream from childhood. He was asked if he was in contact with the Rangers and if he knew he would be picked, he said yes in contact but was shocked when it happened.

He said he visited NY 2 weeks ago, he wants to leave Russia to come here and nothing can change his mind.
 
Rangers fans wanted an elite forward. Rangers draft potentially elite forward. Rangers fans proceed to bash the pick. You can't make this stuff up.

How about you read and listen to what Rangers fans are saying instead of them just complaining about the pick.

Rangers fans do not have a problem with Kravtsov. They have a problem that the Rangers picked him OVER Wahlstrom.

If Wahlstrom was picked before 9, you wouldn’t have such a backlash about the Kravtsov pick.
 
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I asked Russian friend to translate she said, he said he is very happy the Rangers picked him, this was his dream from childhood. He was asked if he was in contact with the Rangers and if he knew he would be picked, he said yes in contact but was shocked when it happened.

He said he visited NY 2 weeks ago, he wants to leave Russia to come here and nothing can change his mind.

It was all about the naked girl in Times Square. Lol
 
How about you read and listen to what Rangers fans are saying instead of them just complaining about the pick.

Rangers fans do not have a problem with Kravtsov. They have a problem that the Rangers picked him OVER Wahlstrom.

If Wahlstrom was picked before 9, you wouldn’t have such a backlash about the Kravtsov pick.

I would also like to add that if I knew what the Rangers board was and seeing the selections.

I would have rather drafted Wahlstrom at 9 and trade for 10th pick by trading 26 and both 2nd round picks for Kravtsov and have two impact forwards.
 
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How about you read and listen to what Rangers fans are saying instead of them just complaining about the pick.

Rangers fans do not have a problem with Kravtsov. They have a problem that the Rangers picked him OVER Wahlstrom.

If Wahlstrom was picked before 9, you wouldn’t have such a backlash about the Kravtsov pick.

Most Rangers fans had never even heard of Kravtsov before last Friday, yet the name Wahlstrom has been shoved down our throats with articles, videos and mock drafts. The average Rangers fan was focused on one name only: Wahlstrom.
 
I would also like to add that if I knew what the Rangers board was and seeing the selections.

I would have rather drafted Wahlstrom at 9 and trade for 10th pick by trading 26 and both 2nd round picks for Kravtsov and have two impact forwards.
There's absolutely no way Edmonton was going to give up 10 with Bouchard there. People are mad because they keyed in on one guy at 9 and didn't get him
 
Yeah, but he’s not the kind of elite they wanted
Literally everyone on here save maybe 2 people say the same thing....I would have preferred wahlstrom but....


That means we probably effed up. Of course the rangers probably know more based on their extensive scouting and interviews....but I'd say the general consensus on this board is we effed up this pick

With that said there have been times when we've praised the isles for their drafts...like didn't they get kiril kavanov and the isles took him and we were all up in arms.


We don't know everything..for sure...but I'll say if you're one of the people who said you'd have preferred wahlstrom then you shouldn't be finger wagging to ppl who are saying the same thing but just way more emphatically.
 
Makes you wonder.

What do Kravtsov and Lias have in common that makes him dislike them so much?

And to add to that: What do the forwards picked right after that, Mittelstadt and Wahlstrom, have in common that he likes them so much?

He loves whining and bitching. I gave him the benefit of the doubt with Lias because I don't completely disagree with his take but now he did a complete 180 and doesn't like a high ceiling talented guy.
 
Literally everyone on here save maybe 2 people say the same thing....I would have preferred wahlstrom but....


That means we probably effed up. Of course the rangers probably know more based on their extensive scouting and interviews....but I'd say the general consensus on this board is we effed up this pick

With that said there have been times when we've praised the isles for their drafts...like didn't they get kiril kavanov and the isles took him and we were all up in arms.


We don't know everything..for sure...but I'll say if you're one of the people who said you'd have preferred wahlstrom then you shouldn't be finger wagging to ppl who are saying the same thing but just way more emphatically.

Preferring a player and being up in arms about not taking him are two different things. I would have preferred Wahlstrom or Dobson, but I love what I read about this kid. Just because he was rated slightly lower in the grand scheme of things means nothing. If we drafted Kuzntesov at 10 in 2010 he'd probably be considered a reach then too.

I don't remember if that was the Kavanov draft but I remember around 10 years ago Garth Snow was drafting players left and right that had value. In fact someone said here or on the main boards that he was drafting like he was just following the draft rankings instead of doing his own scouting. I don't think any of those picks panned out or were anything special. This draft was better because they had two stop 12 picks, but let's wait before we crown their asses.
 
Literally everyone on here save maybe 2 people say the same thing....I would have preferred wahlstrom but....


That means we probably effed up. Of course the rangers probably know more based on their extensive scouting and interviews....but I'd say the general consensus on this board is we effed up this pick

With that said there have been times when we've praised the isles for their drafts...like didn't they get kiril kavanov and the isles took him and we were all up in arms.


We don't know everything..for sure...but I'll say if you're one of the people who said you'd have preferred wahlstrom then you shouldn't be finger wagging to ppl who are saying the same thing but just way more emphatically.
I had Wahlstrom at 8 and Kravtsov at 9 just a few hours before the draft, and even a few weeks ago I said I'd take Kravtsov at 9 over Tkachuk if they were both on the board. Wahlstrom's shooting ability is top notch, but everything else is pretty average with him, and the trend for recent Rangers picks (as opposed to the old trend of American guys) seems to me to be players with a pretty well rounded game who can skate. People think they messed up because they were keen for someone else, it seems to happen with every top 2 round pick we've had going back about as far as I started following draft prospects. I'm not necessarily faulting people for loving Wahlstrom or hating the pick, but to me, it seems to be coming from a place of them not knowing a whole bunch about Kravtsov, so it looks to them like we just picked a guy who had a good playoffs and showed nothing else throughout the year.
 
Most Rangers fans had never even heard of Kravtsov before last Friday, yet the name Wahlstrom has been shoved down our throats with articles, videos and mock drafts. The average Rangers fan was focused on one name only: Wahlstrom.

Bob McKenzie mentioned Kravstov in his draft podcast and TSN draft preview. His selection shouldn’t be a huge shock. Carpiniello wrote about the Rangers taking a player with other more known players left on the board. The hints were there. McKenzie had him at #12 which is right where the Rangers took him. They also have Nik Bobrov who is one of Gorton’s top lieutenants. He has deep KHL ties. Kravstov is also represented by Paul Theofanous who is very close to Slats. The Rangers know about Kravstov’s contract status. The player isn’t spending the next 4 years in the KHL like Kuznetsov did. They can get him out of the contract. Kravstov has a desire to play in the NHL ASAP.
 
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How about you read and listen to what Rangers fans are saying instead of them just complaining about the pick.

Rangers fans do not have a problem with Kravtsov. They have a problem that the Rangers picked him OVER Wahlstrom.

If Wahlstrom was picked before 9, you wouldn’t have such a backlash about the Kravtsov pick.

Ok. You've stated you're position in a rational way.

Here's the problem. The nature of much (not all) the critique is the relentless hysteria.

It borders on the irrational from my viewpoint.

Forget all the practicals:

Question marks re Wahlstrom's game. Kravstov's stats against men as a teen. Relentless three-zone play. His ability to create plays from nothing. The shear boots on the ground due diligence the Rangers performed. Numerous trips to Russia to see this kid play, sit down and get to know him.

I saw numerous posts where people said the Rangers had NO business taking Kravstov.

Simply not true. They deserve not to be taken seriously when they scream like babies.
 
If I was the rangers there kravtsov is 3 on my list there behind wahlstrom and Dobson. Kravtsov is 3 there bouchard is 4. I'm thrilled we didn't take bouchard
 
I would have taken Wahlstrom. I saw him in the U18’s and liked him. He isn’t the most perfect player either. Does he do much besides shoot the puck? You don’t really notice him do anything else except shoot the puck. That’s a great skill to have but you need more than that. I can see why the Rangers took Kravstov. The talent and ability is there. He is not on the 5 year Kaprisov plan.

Brooks questioned the selection. When is this guy going to play here type of a deal. Then he tweeted the agent gave him more details. Theofanous emailed him.





 
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I would have taken Wahlstrom. I saw him in the U18’s and liked him. He isn’t the most perfect player either. Does he do much besides shoot the puck? You don’t really notice him do anything else except shoot the puck. That’s a great skill to have but you need more than that. I can see why the Rangers took Kravstov. The talent and ability is there. He is not on the 5 year Kaprisov plan.

Brooks questioned the selection. When is this guy going to play here type of a deal. Then he tweeted the agent gave him more details. Theofanous emailed him.







I don't think Kravstov is on the 5 year plan...but we will likely be waiting a couple years to see him on Broadway.
 
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