Prospect Info: With the #24 pick, the Wild select (D) Filip Johansson (Allsvenskan, Leksands IF)

[2Pair]

Why are goals your only argument? Assists mean nothing? Goals over that span are 69 to 87. seems rather similar.

Goals aren't my only argument, but they are much more valuable than assists. And again, 87 and 69 aren't close to similar in a comparison of such a short span. 18 goals is a huge discrepancy when you're talking about a guy that averages 15 a season.

Edit- Victor Rask has 63 career goals, so I'm not sure where you're getting 69 from?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Even if he plays Allsvenskan next year, then SHL for 2 years, then AHL for 1-2 years, he'll still only be 23-24 years old when he (hypothetically) debuts in the NHL, which isn't that bad if he's a legit NHL caliber player by that age.

 

[Wabit]

Goals aren't my only argument, but they are much more valuable than assists. And again, 87 and 69 aren't close to similar in a comparison of such a short span. 18 goals is a huge discrepancy when you're talking about a guy that averages 15 a season.

Edit- Victor Rask has 63 career goals, so I'm not sure where you're getting 69 from?

Why are you talking about Coyle now?

 

[Wabit]

Even if he plays Allsvenskan next year, then SHL for 2 years, then AHL for 1-2 years, he'll still only be 23-24 years old when he (hypothetically) debuts in the NHL, which isn't that bad if he's a legit NHL caliber player by that age.

He better show up in the NHL before he's 24. He's playing in a big boy league already so the adjustment time should be less than a 20yo playing against kids in the CHL, or a college kid getting his first taste of pro hockey at age 21/22.

His hockey smarts are were his big selling point so that should make for an easier adjustment to the smaller ice. I could see him staying where he is another year, then a season (and a half) in the AHL before he should be making a push at the NHL roster.

I guess it's more of "he has the toolbox, but does he have the tools?" question.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He better show up in the NHL before he's 24. He's playing in a big boy league already so the adjustment time should be less than a 20yo playing against kids in the CHL, or a college kid getting his first taste of pro hockey at age 21/22.

His hockey smarts are were his big selling point so that should make for an easier adjustment to the smaller ice. I could see him staying where he is another year, then a season (and a half) in the AHL before he should be making a push at the NHL roster.

I guess it's more of "he has the toolbox, but does he have the tools?" question.

I'm just saying that if he ends up as the player that justifies his draft position, then does the wait really matter all that much? You're still getting him through the prime ages for his position.

 

[2Pair]

I'm just saying that if he ends up as the player that justifies his draft position, then does the wait really matter all that much? You're still getting him through the prime ages for his position.

He would have to step into the top 4 for me to see that as a positive.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He would have to step into the top 4 for me to see that as a positive.

Probably me too.

 

[Wabit]

I'm just saying that if he ends up as the player that justifies his draft position, then does the wait really matter all that much? You're still getting him through the prime ages for his position.

The other question is where is he supposed to fit in the lineup? Is he supposed to replace be Spurgeon in 2 years, Pateryn in 3 years, or really long term Dumba in 5 years?

 

[AKL]

The other question is where is he supposed to fit in the lineup? Is he supposed to replace be Spurgeon in 2 years, Pateryn in 3 years, or really long term Dumba in 5 years?

I'll be shocked if he's ready to play top 4 in 2 years and I'll be horribly disappointed if all he ever is is a 3rd pairing guy. Maybe Fenton has a plan for long term, but looking 5 years out is almost impossible. Especially with an expansion draft in there.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The other question is where is he supposed to fit in the lineup? Is he supposed to replace be Spurgeon in 2 years, Pateryn in 3 years, or really long term Dumba in 5 years?

If I had to guess, I’d say Spurgeon in 5ish years.

 

[Wabit]

If I had to guess, I’d say Spurgeon in 5ish years.

That seems like a short (3-4 years) contract for Spurgeon, as a borderline 1D, to take when comparable players are getting 6-8 year deals. I guess he could go the route on Green and take a bunch of 3 year deals?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

That seems like a short (3-4 years) contract for Spurgeon, as a borderline 1D, to take when comparable players are getting 6-8 year deals. I guess he could go the route on Green and take a bunch of 3 year deals?

Or it’s a 7 year deal and he’s traded after 4.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Goals aren't my only argument, but they are much more valuable than assists. And again, 87 and 69 aren't close to similar in a comparison of such a short span. 18 goals is a huge discrepancy when you're talking about a guy that averages 15 a season.

Edit- Victor Rask has 63 career goals, so I'm not sure where you're getting 69 from?

ya my bad hit the wrong number, 63 is his total just a typo. from your comments the only argument you wanna make is the goal differential. not sure how you can deny that when those are the only comments youre making even when i bring up point totals and assists.

 

[2Pair]

The last 2 years would be Nino 31 goals and 50 points Rask 15 goals and 37 points If you want to take it to the start of 16-17 then it's even worse
Nino 56 goals and 116 points
Rask 31 goals and 83 points

The only way they can possibly be considered similar is if you try to build a comparison around Rask's 2 good seasons. Nino has 5 seasons like that. Considring that Nino is only 6 months older than Rask? That's another knock on Rask

ya my bad hit the wrong number, 63 is his total just a typo. from your comments the only argument you wanna make is the goal differential. not sure how you can deny that when those are the only comments youre making even when i bring up point totals and assists.

Say what now?

Want to look at the advanced stats/possession numbers? How about even strength points or points relative to time on ice? This really is a very obvious situation that you just can't seem to let go of, and I can't figure out why?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

Say what now?

Want to look at the advanced stats/possession numbers? How about even strength points or points relative to time on ice? This really is a very obvious situation that you just can't seem to let go of, and I can't figure out why?

because i saw the advanced stats and all the numbers and still disagree with you similar in value. speaking my side of it vs yours and you cant understand mine nor do i understand how you over value ninos production when it was pretty similar to rasks. time of possession really didnt help ninos production to be much higher than rasks yet the possession numbers are rather lopsided in ninos favor correct?

 

[2Pair]

because i saw the advanced stats and all the numbers and still disagree with you similar in value. speaking my side of it vs yours and you cant understand mine nor do i understand how you over value ninos production when it was pretty similar to rasks. time of possession really didnt help ninos production to be much higher than rasks yet the possession numbers are rather lopsided in ninos favor correct?

You're the only guy that thinks their numbers are "pretty similar". Seeing you say "time of possession" tells me pretty much all that I need to know about your understanding of hockey statistics.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

You're the only guy that thinks their numbers are "pretty similar". Seeing you say "time of possession" tells me pretty much all that I need to know about your understanding of hockey statistics.

indeed, i suppose i just dont understand corsi and fenwick one bit. enjoy your dislike of the trade.

 

[2Pair]

indeed, i suppose i just dont understand corsi and fenwick one bit. enjoy your dislike of the trade.

What does Corsi and Fenwick have to say about your comparison?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

What does Corsi and Fenwick have to say about your comparison?

no idea didnt look too far into as the stats were posted a long time ago, heavily in ninos favors if i recall. odd part is i saw people dislike aberg but he is 2nd in the league in those stats. peoples opinoins are lovely. good day champ we can leave this to FJ discussion now.

 

[Engebretson]

FJ with his first goal of the year

 

[Wabit]

FJ with his first goal of the year

When it rains, it pours for the kid?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I thought he got a goal yesterday?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I thought he got a goal yesterday?

looks like he scored again in the U20 team also now according to elite prospects.

 

[Wild11MN]

looks like he scored again in the U20 team also now according to elite prospects.

It's not showing that for me on his page.

 

[2Pair]

It's not showing that for me on his page.

He has a goal listed for the U20 national team. when did that happen?