With how stacked next year's draft is...do we tank for one more year or try to make the playoffs?

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"Tanking" is purposefully losing – and this team did not do that last year. Nor will it do so this year.

Avoid making moves to artificially prop up what should be a very inexperienced roster, clear out any pieces that don't have a future with the team, play with effort and drive, let the chips fall where they may.

Which is likely a lottery pick once again.
in professoinal sports, tanking is done at the mgmt level, i.e.: trading away all your good veteran players. The guys on the team don't try to lose, but when management guts the team in order to field a worse team and increase the chances of finishing lower, thats tanking my friend.
 
I honestly think we are gonna be slightly better than last year with Kakko, Kravtsov, Trouba and Fox, along with Georgiev/Shesty battling it out pushing Lundqvist to become backup.

And I also wouldn't be surprised if there are more bad teams that will embrace tanking to gurantee a high pick in a deep draft.

I think we are gonna swing between the 12th pick and a wildcard
 
in professoinal sports, tanking is done at the mgmt level, i.e.: trading away all your good veteran players. The guys on the team don't try to lose, but when management guts the team in order to field a worse team and increase the chances of finishing lower, thats tanking my friend.

There really isn't much left to gut. Kreider - that's about it.
 
There really isn't much left to gut. Kreider - that's about it.

right I more meant last year. All the correct decision, mind you. Anyway I think we're bound to be better this season, there was a big malaise that hit the team in the 2nd half last year with Zucc leaving and all the trade speculation, i think there will be more energy this season and the team was improved by replacing Pionk with Trouba. Plus if we get Panarin, watch out
 
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I want to see all the young kids come in, play well and continue to improve and grow. If that means they win more games than last year, so be it. That's all I care about next season. They got Kakko less than a week ago and people are already starting to worry about next year's draft. What I would really love to see is people not losing their minds after every win or point gained in OT in every GDT. If they didn't beat Pittsburg in OT at the end of the season last year, they end up in 5th and probably don't even have Kakko on the roster this year. Don't sign any UFAs to crazy contracts and let the chips fall where they may.
 
in professoinal sports, tanking is done at the mgmt level, i.e.: trading away all your good veteran players. The guys on the team don't try to lose, but when management guts the team in order to field a worse team and increase the chances of finishing lower, thats tanking my friend.

I don't see that as tanking. More of a smart asset management. Trading potential free agents and guys who aren't part of the future for me is simply good management.
 
Vesey, Strome, Names and potentially Shatty.

I'm not sure I consider any of them to be "good" players. Maybe an argument can be made for Namestnikov. I'm not saying the rest of them are trash but they're not McDonagh/Kreider/Hayes/Stepan/Zucc level players either. Shattenkirk should be considered a good player but he hasn't been one in New York yet.
 
Yeah, I’m sorry, I should have added another 4-5 teams to that list.

So what teams do we have in common?

At this moment, we have a lot in common with those teams. They're rebuilds failed in hindsight, but 2-3 years in they looked just as promising as our current one.
 
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Yeah, I’m sorry, I should have added another 4-5 teams to that list.

So what teams do we have in common?
We have much more in common with teams like Pitt, Chicago and Wash. Big market teams that embraced rebuilding by enduring several bad seasons. They obtained their best players primarily through high draft picks and supplemented them through trades and free agency.
 
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I honestly think we are gonna be slightly better than last year with Kakko, Kravtsov, Trouba and Fox, along with Georgiev/Shesty battling it out pushing Lundqvist to become backup.

And I also wouldn't be surprised if there are more bad teams that will embrace tanking to gurantee a high pick in a deep draft.

I think we are gonna swing between the 12th pick and a wildcard

I go back and forth, but I tend to think it'll be a wash.

We added some nice pieces, but we also lost significant production from Zucc and Hayes. If we end up moving Kreider, that's close to 80 goals and 180 points off the roster in a one year span. Even with some significant progress, and an infusion of rookie talent, I don't know if we fully recover all that production this season.

But even if it's a wash, that team was still a few loser points away from being even lower in the standing --- and that was before the TDL.
 
Add Panarin to this team right now, along with Kreider and they are still a bottom feeder.

Trouba makes the defense better. We ca ndebate how much. My guess is that the defense as currently constituted is not relatively that much. For the defense to be much better, you need to loose Shattenkirk, reduce the playing time of Staal greatly, hope that that the Hajeks of the world take a giant step forward and Fox makes an instant impact. The chances of all of that happening? Not much.

An 18 year old, who does not turn 19 until February will be approaching star status by March? This is where the need to keep some form of perspective comes in.
Were replacing a player that got pummeled when he was on the ice with a legit 1st pairing dman in the prime of his career. I think that makes the team significantly better defensively.

Matthews from feb 1 to the end of the season in his rookie year had 30 points in 34 games. Laine had 23 points in 28 games.

Even hischier who I dont think is the level prospect as kakko had 22 in 33 to finish his rookie year.

MacKinnon had 26 in 29 in his rookie year.

Hall had 11 in his last 16 over that period. Must have gotten hurt at end of year.

Tavares had 21 in 26.

Stamkos had 27 in 32.

Those are the players i think kakko is comparable so I do think he will be approaching star status by the end of his rookie year.
 
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Vesey, Strome, Names and potentially Shatty.

@darko none of those names are above a pedestrian NHL player level.
The roster has been gutted thoroughly.

I happen to like Namestnikov as a role player, but none of them hold 'value' (insert reverse jinx for Gorton to javelin Vesey into KeyBank Center for a 2020 3rd round pick)
 
@darko none of those names are above a pedestrian NHL player level.
The roster has been gutted thoroughly.

I happen to like Namestnikov as a role player, but none of them hold 'value' (insert reverse jinx for Gorton to javelin Vesey into KeyBank Center for a 2020 3rd round pick)

Agree but should still see some sort of return for them especially Names who can walk after next season. Names could fetch a 2nd rounder at the deadline. Strome could fetch a bit too. Center, can play up and down the lineup, can PK.
 
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I think what Larry Brooks recently said is exactly what I am hoping for. And that is to check on Panarin and only be willing to sign UFAs for 1-2 year contracts. I am on the fence when it comes to Panarin. I will likely be happy either way. But if Strome, Kredier, Names, and Vesey are not part of the future, I would rather trade them all for 2020 draft picks and fill the holes with UFAs on 1-2 year contracts that could also be potentially unloaded at the deadline for more 2020 picks. With Panarin in the picture, I think we might be a bubble team. No matter what, I dont want to acquire any rentals if we are in the playoff picture.
 
Were replacing a player that got pummeled when he was on the ice with a legit 1st pairing dman in the prime of his career. I think that makes the team significantly better defensively.
And as to the rest of the defense?
Those are the players i think kakko is comparable so I do think he will be approaching star status by the end of his rookie year.
I do not understand what you are doing. Are you simply looking to see if a rookie had a hot streak from February on and that your idea of being already a star? Is Barkov star? Chances are just as good of that as your rosy view. How about Tyler Sequin or Vinny Lecavalier or Henkrik Sedin? What if his first season was like Mar Messier's?
 
I'm hoping they fail for one more season. Fail to make the playoffs and succeed in stinking it up so bad that they are in the bottom 3 with the best lottery odds for 2020. Was really hoping that Zucc would head back to Dallas and Dallas misses the playoffs giving the club 2 picks in top 15.

What i think is a little different. I don't think Zucc returns to Dallas. I do think the Rangers will add another 1st rounder in a deadline deal for Kreider. Also could see the landing a 2nd or a 3rd rounder for Vesey at the deadline, or at some point during the season.

Also thinking the club will finish in the 10-15 range and miss the playoffs by a few W's.


Best case scenario...Win the lotto again! LaFreniere, Raymond, Byfield....WINNING!!!
 
I think the likes of Vesey and Namestnikov are more likely to garner 2nds and 3rd, so you still get assets, just ones with a lesser chance at booming. Kreider, and perhaps Skjei and Buchnevich are the only players that could garner a 1st if they were to be moved.
 
Strome is a guy who's value we can build this season if he puts up points by default on our 2nd line. He's not a guy I want to move right now.
Neither do I. Let's see if there is more to come from him. Some players are late bloomers and some just need to get comfortable in a situation.
 
And as to the rest of the defense?

I do not understand what you are doing. Are you simply looking to see if a rookie had a hot streak from February on and that your idea of being already a star? Is Barkov star? Chances are just as good of that as your rosy view. How about Tyler Sequin or Vinny Lecavalier or Henkrik Sedin? What if his first season was like Mar Messier's?

This is still a big problem which is why even with Panarin, we're still not a great team.

Skjei is a mid pair defenseman playing top pair minutes
Staal is a #7 most likely playing mid pair minutes
Smith is an overripe grapefruit playing replacement D minutes and 4th line wing
Trouba might be a bona fide top pair player or might be an excellent mid pair D playing top minutes
We don't know what Fox is yet until he plays in the NHL

ADA is the only defenseman that is guaranteed to be playing on the pairing best suited to where he is as a player right now.
 
A couple of things :

The mantra of Quinn and Gorton after the lottery was "we did everything right and got good karma". Meaning the team worked hard, we're a pain in the rear to play against and yet got lucky with the overtime points and such, when a lot of people were crying about ruining their draft opportunity. They beat the odds in that respect maybe it was a little good karma coming our way for once in a blue moon.

Quinn especially looked like the right coach. He held the players, especially the young ones accountable and made them work hard. He also didn't willy nilly bench people. It looked like any benching was a teaching moment and pretty much all of the players came out of the benching improved in the aspect that led to it in the first place. From the outside looking in, it looked like he was a fantastic communicator. I think he makes it a big point to meet with all the players and give constant feedback.

Anyhow, that hard work, taking /keeping accountability mentality and the good communication about expectations and job performance isn't going away. It was reinforced and certainly going to be a big part of the culture going forward.

A tenet I also heard in several interviews with respect to Gorton, both pre and post draft, was you win up the middle, goaltending, defense and centers.

Putting those two thoughts together, the Rangers won't tank but will still be pretty bad.

If you take the idea you win up the middle 3 of the 4 parts are either in transition or are just not up to snuff:

Goaltending- is in transition, we're going from a sure first ballot Hall of Fame player on the down swing to Georgiev a player that kept them in games they had no business being in but was pretty bad in the beginning of the season. Which goalie is he? Is he going to be that guy in the second half or more of the first half guy. Plus they have, Shesty (you guys can fight over the proper spelling of his name) who has yet to step for in an NHL game. What do we have here? I don't think it is a worry and we will ultimately get something similar to last year. Really good goaltending at times and some stinkers.

RHD- This was vastly improved this off season. I can see this mix RHD on a good team. Trouba is a definite top pairing RD. Fox, ADA I still think they're are a year or two away but it's still a damn site better than last year at this time. Hopefully, Shatty can improve over last year when he was coming off a major knee injury and was not in shape nor exactly ready for the season, in my opinion.

LHD- It's not good. Skjei, the top pairing guy is really a 3 or 4 or less on a contending team. It's he a nightmare, no, but he's not good as a #1/2. Speaking of nightmares, Staal is not going anywhere. Then there's a mix of Hajek, Smith and someone else I am probably forgetting.

Centers - Mika was fantastic last year. I think he can be a number one center on a good/contending team. Speaking of number two, that's what Strome is as a number two center. Then you have the assortment of Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Nieves. That's nowhere near what a contending team should have in place.

Anyway, looking at "win up the middle" theory, the Rangers have RHD at a satisfactory level, it's still very young but very talented and then probably goaltending. After that, they're pretty terrible and in fact worse than last year.

I can't see this team as very good, I don't think the influx of highly talented wingers are going to make a difference just yet.

I think we will see something similar to last season. The team made improvements in many areas but not LHD and Center, I think you can make a case they're worse off than last year at this time. It's still early time will tell.
 
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Add Byfield to this roster and we will be set. Goalie, Defense, Wing and then Center - we'll have it all. Be bad one more year. Add to the Roster via trade and free agency after next season. Hell, sign someone to an offersheet after next season - it will be time.

When these guys all lift the cup together a few years down the line nobody is going to give a shit that they were bad in 2019-2020.
 

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