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With how stacked next year's draft is...do we tank for one more year or try to make the playoffs?

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We need a winning mentality. Tanking is the antithesis if that. We want our young players to be competitive and develop good habits. If we don’t make the playoffs or even finish last, so be it, but don’t let it be due to self-sabotage or lack of effort. That’s why I want CK and Hank to be here for a while: they wouldn’t put up with losing attitudes. That’s also why Torts would be a great rebuilding coach — though Quinn certainly seems promising.

All this to say: focus on improving and on winning; the rest will come.
 
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ecemleafs said:
all depends on panarin. if u sign panarin then u look to make the playoffs this year. if u dont sign panarin then look to deal kreider this summer and play most of the young guys. look to move vesey and namestnikov at the the deadline if not sooner. i find it difficult to see this team being worse than last year though.
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Add Panarin to this team right now, along with Kreider and they are still a bottom feeder.
trouba makes our defense much better.
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Trouba makes the defense better. We ca ndebate how much. My guess is that the defense as currently constituted is not relatively that much. For the defense to be much better, you need to loose Shattenkirk, reduce the playing time of Staal greatly, hope that that the Hajeks of the world take a giant step forward and Fox makes an instant impact. The chances of all of that happening? Not much.
kakko by the end of the year could be approaching star player status.
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An 18 year old, who does not turn 19 until February will be approaching star status by March? This is where the need to keep some form of perspective comes in.
 
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jas said:
And then you have an incomplete team because you didn’t get the centers. You just described why I and others don’t want to see Panarin signed. It’s a signing that alters the rebuild because the clock starts on an expensive piece.
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I think we must have said this seemingly thousands of times, in various forms for what seems to be several months.
 
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Bluenote13 said:
Tank, should be a banned word around here.

Who in their right mind thinks we're 'tanking'?

Its not even July and September couldn't get here any quicker.......
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agreed 100%...I joke after every loss with the frank the tank gif but anyone watching the team and watching david quinn knows that the team isn't tanking
 
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as far as the plan for next year...we should just let things naturally happen. we should be trying to make the playoffs or not make the playoffs...let the kids play and develop and what happens happens
 
I don't think anyone would have a problem with this team improving through the growth of their young players. Thats what we want. We can all talk about how awesome it would be to have a top player from next years draft, but if someone(s) already in the organization grows into the type of player we're wishing to get, then who cares?

What most of us DON'T want is for this team to steal points due to the goalie standing on his head and opportunistic goal scoring by the vets. That helps no one other than the vets who will be due new contracts in the coming seasons. Now it worked out last year because the lottery balls fell in our favor, but there was way too much of this last season. I'd rather be outright bad than smoke and mirrors "competitive" given the choice between the 2.
 
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mrmovies779 said:
Torts would be the last coach i would want anywhere near a rebuilding team.
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Really? I thought he instilled a good culture. Sure, Callahan and company weren’t kids when Torts took over, but he’s done a heck of a job developing players in Columbus and getting the most of unremarkable Rangers rosters.
 
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CasusBelli said:
We need a winning mentality. Tanking is the antithesis if that. We want our young players to be competitive and develop good habits. If we don’t make the playoffs or even finish last, so be it, but don’t let it be due to self-sabotage or lack of effort. That’s why I want CK and Hank to be here for a while: they wouldn’t put up with losing attitudes. That’s also why Torts would be a great rebuilding coach — though Quinn certainly seems promising.

All this to say: focus on improving and on winning; the rest will come.
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This

Some people look at the Sabres and want to be them, its amazing to me.
 
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Hire Sather said:
Thankfully we do not, at the moment.

A couple more seasons of "Get another top pick!!!" and we will.

I'm not saying we should be trading assets, but we should not be going into this season "hoping" for another top pick
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No we still wouldn't be anything like them. Edmonton, Buffalo and Arizona have or had horrific people making decisions for them.

Throw Florida's core in NY with Dolan resources and they're a modern day dynasty though. Don't be surprised when they kill it next year after they get a goalie who is actually good.
 
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I think Quinn is too good of a coach to really commit to tanking. He'll get the guys playing their asses off, just like last year. We were lucky with the lottery but definitely can't count on that again.
 
Hire Sather said:
Thankfully we do not, at the moment.

A couple more seasons of "Get another top pick!!!" and we will.

I'm not saying we should be trading assets, but we should not be going into this season "hoping" for another top pick
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I doubt it. We have competent management and have no trouble attracting free agents. We are one more elite forward prospect away from a potential dynasty. The 2020 draft is loaded and our best chance at obtaining that prospect.
 
ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
I don't think anyone would have a problem with this team improving through the growth of their young players. Thats what we want. We can all talk about how awesome it would be to have a top player from next years draft, but if someone(s) already in the organization grows into the type of player we're wishing to get, then who cares?

What most of us DON'T want is for this team to steal points due to the goalie standing on his head and opportunistic goal scoring by the vets. That helps no one other than the vets who will be due new contracts in the coming seasons. Now it worked out last year because the lottery balls fell in our favor, but there was way too much of this last season. I'd rather be outright bad than smoke and mirrors "competitive" given the choice between the 2.
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While I agree with that, I think it's a fine line.

They made a move for Trouba, he probably improves the D quite a bit over the minutes Pionk would be playing 5on5 yet especially on PK.

While they lost Zucc, Hayes, I do think at least some of that will be replaced by the youth overall improving, and just having at least one rookie if not two who are just more talented rookies than most. If Fox, Hajek, Rykov or someone else too shines...

The 2nd thing happening without the 1st, I think we likely see a team who is near the lowest in the standings, yet them combined I think much like last year they are probably just among those bottom 5-10 or so teams in the standings.

Now if they move Kreider for futures, and either do not replace him or replace him with a lesser player, then I think that could possibly put them back into the near/lowest in standings position, yet I don't feel as if that is their agenda.
 
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GAGLine said:
We aren't going to tank any more than we did last year. Quinn is going to push the players and try to win every game. Are we good enough to avoid a bottom 5 finish? It's really hard to say right now without knowing what other moves Gorton is going to make. Do we end up trading Kreider and/or Vesey? Do we sign Panarin or Pavelski? On paper, we are better defensively than we were last year, but it's too early to know where we stand offensively. A lot will depend on not only what moves we make, but on how much of an impact our young players have.

Build the team with the idea that we want to compete for the cup in the near future and then let the chips fall where they may. If that results in a playoff spot, great. If it results in us being the worst team in the league, great. Something in between? Hope for some more blessings from the hockey gods and if that doesn't happen, try our best to move up if necessary to get the guy we want.
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This!

The Rangers did not PURPOSELY tanked last year and they will definitely not PURPOSELY tank in '19-20. At this juncture it's extremely difficult to have an opinion on where they will land because we don't even now what the roster will look like on the opening day to begin with.

However, there're some insights available already. 1. The roster improvement from Pionk to Trouba is enormous not only from the talent perspective of these two player but also as the whole defensive core is impacted. There will be less pressure and more suitable roles for every D, right side or left. 2. At forward you should see an improved performance across the board as our very young core will do better with another year under their belts. It's virtually everyone that can be counted to improve on the last year. Obviously it won't happen to everyone but as a group this forward core will be much better. 3. Then it's Quinn's situation that should not be discounted either. How many 1 goal games the Rangers lost last year? How many leads were lost late? DQ is a better NHL coach now than he was a year ago.

IMHO, I'd break it 60/40 where 60% is the Rangers landing in over 12 spot from the bottom and 40% of them being lower than than (with virtually no chance at being 6OA or lower).
 
Quinn will coach to win every game.
And maybe he has the guys to win more than last year.
I dont mind if they win,
but please dont begin trading youth for experience and a deep run just yet
In fact, i am willing to wait on that for 2 years more,
then in '21-22, after expansion and its draft,
when today's blue-chip kids are settled in as regulars,
we should have a high ceiling
that could be a time to manage the roster for playoff results
 
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"Tanking" is purposefully losing – and this team did not do that last year. Nor will it do so this year.

Avoid making moves to artificially prop up what should be a very inexperienced roster, clear out any pieces that don't have a future with the team, play with effort and drive, let the chips fall where they may.

Which is likely a lottery pick once again.
 
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hopefully the kids put on a show but we still manage to finish bottom 5. Not sure how thats can happen but yeah, if we do happen to suck, drafting high in 2020 will take some of the sting away.
 
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