With Hayes on waivers, Boston has nothing to show for Tyler Seguin

[oconnor9sean]

I look forward to seeing who follows Thornton and Seguin in ~5 years.

Thornton -> Seguin -> Hamilton -> McAvoy

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Thornton -> Seguin -> Hamilton -> McAvoy

McAvoy to Edmonton for future considerations the looks of it.

 

[SAK11]

Looks to me like when Chiarelli asks for their thoughts, all he gets is, "Yeah, he needs to go."

That's an unbelievable video. For the Bruins to have let this meeting be taped for whatever show this was is crazy to me. And for not one person to be adamantly against trading a 21 year with that type of talent is ridiculous. They start with saying we might need to trade Seguin if we want to keep Horton, but then even after hearing Horton won't be coming back, they trade him anyway.

Leading scorer on a great team as a 19/20 year old, and then not far off from leading them in scoring the next year yet they we so willing to get rid of him. The bad playoffs left them with a negative view on him [he had 1 goal on 70 shots so there was an element on unluckiness] but to not be able to project how good he could become is embarrassing. That Dallas GM is the king of lopsided trades.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

At the time, Chia traded Seguin for an elite defensive winger (And was a defensive winger for the entirety of his Bruins seasons), a promising great defensive winger in Smith, an AHL monster sniper, and promising D prospect for an one dimensional poor attitude winger (Seguin played with Bergeron and Marchand often at RW), a good but declining player in Peverley who suffered near death experience (Basically my point is Peverley unfortunately wasn't able to do much for either team), and like one or two other no name pieces. That wasn't a bad trade in hindsight. But yeah the outcome was dreadful.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

How would he be as a 4th line center?

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

That's an unbelievable video. For the Bruins to have let this meeting be taped for whatever show this was is crazy to me. And for not one person to be adamantly against trading a 21 year with that type of talent is ridiculous. They start with saying we might need to trade Seguin if we want to keep Horton, but then even after hearing Horton won't be coming back, they trade him anyway.

Leading scorer on a great team as a 19/20 year old, and then not far off from leading them in scoring the next year yet they we so willing to get rid of him. The bad playoffs left them with a negative view on him [he had 1 goal on 70 shots so there was an element on unluckiness] but to not be able to project how good he could become is embarrassing. That Dallas GM is the king of lopsided trades.

Well Seguin played with Bergeron and Marchand who are two of the best defensive forwards in the entire game, and we even better at the time (At least defensively). Douglas Murray outscored him in the 2013 playoffs...

 

[Hot Water Bottle]

I think the Bruins are a victim of trying to follow trends in the Boston sports scene. In the last decade or so, both the Patriots and Red Sox have had a history of publicly shaming talented players and running them out of town as soon as they show any attitude, and they've continued to win regardless. I don't think this is a winning formula when it comes to hockey though.

 

[Oilyveins97*]

Good work Neely

 

[THall4]

Jim Benning also.

Sweeney as well...who turned Smith, Eriksson into **** all

 

[billybudd]

I liked this guy a lot when he was on Florida. I think for him to be useful, he needs to be worked into a team concept where the idea is to occupy a lot of ice.

 

[Tom Collins]

That's an unbelievable video. For the Bruins to have let this meeting be taped for whatever show this was is crazy to me. And for not one person to be adamantly against trading a 21 year with that type of talent is ridiculous. They start with saying we might need to trade Seguin if we want to keep Horton, but then even after hearing Horton won't be coming back, they trade him anyway.

Leading scorer on a great team as a 19/20 year old, and then not far off from leading them in scoring the next year yet they we so willing to get rid of him. The bad playoffs left them with a negative view on him [he had 1 goal on 70 shots so there was an element on unluckiness] but to not be able to project how good he could become is embarrassing. That Dallas GM is the king of lopsided trades.

Unsurprisingly most people ignore it. Goes against the narrative that all of Boston's problems were because of Chiarelli, thus it can't be true.

Ah HFBoards, never change.

 

[Giggli G]

I thought it was Neely who forced Chiarelli to trade Seguin.

 

[SenzZen]

Cup >>>> Losing a trade

You'd have to think Chara had a hand in this, in addition to Neely and the other brass people want to smear with blame. Seguin wasn't on the same vibe as the Bruins dressing room, and management doesn't just determine that on their own.

 

[BruinsBtn]

That's an unbelievable video. For the Bruins to have let this meeting be taped for whatever show this was is crazy to me. And for not one person to be adamantly against trading a 21 year with that type of talent is ridiculous. They start with saying we might need to trade Seguin if we want to keep Horton, but then even after hearing Horton won't be coming back, they trade him anyway.

Leading scorer on a great team as a 19/20 year old, and then not far off from leading them in scoring the next year yet they we so willing to get rid of him. The bad playoffs left them with a negative view on him [he had 1 goal on 70 shots so there was an element on unluckiness] but to not be able to project how good he could become is embarrassing. That Dallas GM is the king of lopsided trades.

I think you're pretty naive to think no one in that room didn't want to trade him. It's called editing. The team isn't going to put something out with a team exec on a rant about a trade they made.

 

[MikeK]

It was one of the worst trades in NHL history and a reason why big trades are so hard to make. No team wants that type of embarrassment.

 

[Tom Collins]

I thought it was Neely who forced Chiarelli to trade Seguin.

I don't think the word "forced" is appropriate. Though every one of his advisors recommended to trade him or that he didn't "fit" with them, Neely included.

 

[King In The North]

I thought it was Neely who forced Chiarelli to trade Seguin.

I think they were all onboard for it.

 

[Tom Collins]

I think you're pretty naive to think no one in that room didn't want to trade him. It's called editing. The team isn't going to put something out with a team exec on a rant about a trade they made.

Including Chiarelli, or?

 

[Era of Sanity]

Not to derail the thread but Boston has nothing on their roster that is even worth half as much as Matthews. Not even Bergeron has that kind of value at his age.

We still have Andersen and Kapanen to show for Kessel. Bruins have nothing for Seguin.

Boston had so much potential to be a team very much like Pittsburgh and Chicago and win multiple cups.

Hamilton, Seguin make the Bruins a cup contender even today.

We aren't impressed with Toronto either. Go brag to us when you have won something. Or atleast finish ahead of the Bruins (which has not happened since 2006-07)

 

[Tom Collins]

I think they were all onboard for it.

It was definitely a consensus decision. Confusing as all hell because originally they said the only reason they had to trade him was to afford Horton, but then trade him anyway when Horton doesn't come back. Seems like they didn't have much in their hearts for Tyler Seguin the person.

 

[Frank the Tank]

As we learned in Edmonton with Lowe (and Chicago with Pulford, Philly with Clarke, etc...), it's the old warrior lingering behind every GM brought into the organization that persists as the problem. Boston has their lifetime member of the Bruins management in Neely.

There's a reason Chiarelli insisted on reporting directly to Bob Nicholson if hired by the Oilers. He learned that lesson in his previous role.

 

[3074326]

They won a Cup with Seguin.. That is something.

 

[Era of Sanity]

Lol, this is all because of Chiarelli?

He didn't let Eriksson walk for nothing

He didn't trade Reilly Smith for Hayes

Yes it was a bad trade even at the time, although it was cap motivated and he wasn't the only cook in that kitchen either. I get that Bruins fans love to have a scapegoat, but if you don't address what's really bad with your team you'll never get any better.

Fair enough. It was a terrible trade and Sweeney ****ed it up even worse but what he did after.

As for your last comment though, one of the B's biggest problems in recent history has been drafting and in the last 2 years they have drafted Carlo and McAvoy so actually they have taken steps to improve.

 

[Ambassador Of Fun]

My best player went to Dallas and all I got was this t-shirt and 1.4M in dead cap over the next 2 years.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I don't think the word "forced" is appropriate. Though every one of his advisors recommended to trade him or that he didn't "fit" with them, Neely included.

I get that a player may not fit in according to management but the guys in charge seemed determined to just get rid of Seguin no matter what. It seemed rushed and sloppy and like there was little thought put into it.