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Winnipeg Sun: Jets, Mark Chipman, call for help as attendance decreases
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FWIW, whenever Quebec-defenders argue "Atlanta already had its second chance, Quebec didn't," they're usually met with "Quebec lost two teams too" to which the Quebec-defender invariably says "that was so long ago and the economy was so different, it's not worth bringing up." To which they are told they are making excuses.
So sports fans are all insufferable no matter where they're from and doubly so when arguing about relocation--- myself and yourself included--- is all I'm saying.....
BKIslandersFan
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1st place in the division, they better sell out every game going forward.
Its bare minimum.
Other markets managed to hang on to their team during the depression. When push came to shove, Pittsburgh didn't support their team & lost it.
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have been proven unworthy of the NHL. I take no pleasure in taking this position, but I strongly encourage the league to revoke both franchises, posthaste.
You've solved the "play is getting watered down!!!" problem.Other markets managed to hang on to their team during the depression. When push came to shove, Pittsburgh didn't support their team & lost it.
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have been proven unworthy of the NHL. I take no pleasure in taking this position, but I strongly encourage the league to revoke both franchises, posthaste.
Watched the highlights of today's Jets win, looked like good vibes.
Jets4Life
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edog37
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If anything else, this thread has proven that Canadian markets can’t live up to the very standard they impose upon other markets.Other markets managed to hang on to their team during the depression. When push came to shove, Pittsburgh didn't support their team & lost it.
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have been proven unworthy of the NHL. I take no pleasure in taking this position, but I strongly encourage the league to revoke both franchises, posthaste.
Hardly. Considering there is an almost 100% chance that no one on this board was even alive back then. But you do you.
Jets4Life
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But you said when push come to shove Pittsburgh supported its team. Guess that's wasn't always the case is it?
Nah, the underlying problems still exist - food inflation and housing prices. When you only have 9500 season ticket holders and another 800 seats in the suites accounted for, it means you have over 4,000 seats per game that need to be sold....as opposed to have most of those seats sold to season ticket holders. There will be plenty of games over the remainder of the season that will see crowds in the 11 - 13,000 range especially those Monday - Wednesday games. The Columbus game in a little over a week will probably be an ugly one.
The problem won't be solved until the next 2 - 3 offseasons when they will hopefully boost those season ticket numbers to 12 - 13000 people.
Maybe some Canadian markets. I'm pretty sure the Leafs and Habs pretty comfortably lived up to whatever standard we are talking about.
Ted Hoffman
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As I said years ago when the "Thrashers to Winnipeg" talk cranked up and the pro-Winnipeg crowd repeatedly SWORE TO f***ING GOD any team in Canada would ALWAYS be fully supported, no matter how shitty it was: there are very few sports franchises in North America that will sell out every game regardless of how the team is doing.
The Leafs and Canadiens are two of them. The Rangers are in this group for the NHL. In the NFL, it's the Packers and then probably the Cowboys and maybe the Steelers. In the NBA, the Knicks, Lakers and Celtics. Maybe a couple other teams that don't jump out immediately. [No, not anyone in MLB - including the Red Sox and Yankees.] Every other franchise, there's a base of fans [and we're arguing over how large that is] and everything else is dependent on the team winning, and the argument ensues on how sensitive a franchise's attendance is to the franchise's record.
But you said when push come to shove Pittsburgh supported its team. Guess that's wasn't always the case is it?
Right?... Suddenly the dude who has been working the "edgy, no nonsense, calls it as they see it" shtick wants a bit of nuance and context included in the discussion.
edog37
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Maybe Montreal should’ve done a better job supporting the Wanderers or Quebec supporting the Bulldogs or any other silly false equivalence. Or would you like to keep up the double standard mantra too?But you said when push come to shove Pittsburgh supported its team. Guess that's wasn't always the case is it?
edog37
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Interesting considering the NHL record for sellout streak doesn’t belong to any Canadian market.
BKIslandersFan
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Nah, thats not really an excuse, bad economy affects every other Canadian teams.
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There is no question that serious malaise surrounding the team (locker room dysfunction that we never heard the full story on, playoff disappointment, players wanting out, uncertainty for a while surrounding key players) combined with economic factors and poor customer service had a real impact. But things are improving. If the Jets keep playing the way they are, and Jets account execs dust off the rolodex and get cracking, I think the place will be full on the regular next year. The fan mood is improving.
The biggest thing the team can do to help things along is to go on a nice long playoff run, nothing ignites passion like that can.
I was at the Moose game last night and the crowd does not really look like a Jets crowd. Lots of families and kid sport teams in the crowd, lots of new Canadians/recent immigrants. Very little of the "traditional" NHL crowd of, let's face it, older white guys. I don't think there is a ton of cannibalization going on there. Maybe there are a few people who spend money on the Moose instead of the Jets but I can't imagine it's enough to really move the needle. If anything, the Moose are probably good at building a market for live hockey. A family from the Philippines goes to a couple of Moose games and has fun, maybe they will go to a Jets game next, etc.
That said, the Jets don't really put much effort into selling the Moose. Tickets are comically overpriced for what you get, I'd far rather throw down an extra $10 or $20 and get a nosebleed seat for a Jets game than spend $40 on a Moose ticket. I think the Jets just want their farm team close by and they don't really care too much about the rest.
Also LOL at the people in this thread who are legit mad about the continued existence of the Winnipeg Jets. Deal with it, haters
I think it will help having Scheifele and Hellebucyk around for the long term. I.e, the team will be at least competitive (not going to rebuild with those two locked in on long term deals) and they will have some name brand players.
It's the smallest market and with tickets being prohibitively expensive, pro teams are increasingly relying on corporations to buy a significant percentage of the seats. With the Jets reportedly at 15% of season seats being sold to corporate accounts, it will take a few off seasons to boost those numbers. Corporations are not buying season seats for the current season while the games are being played.
Does that really matter, total sales are dependent at what price the tickets are sold at. I would think total revenue is a much more important metric, and the Leafs and Habs are almost always at the top of that list, alongside teams like the Rangers.
BKIslandersFan
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Well then the passionate hockey fans of Winnipeg better get going and buy those tickets.
Either that or shut up about other teams not selling out.
Just food for thought, as we keep telling yall.
Krigsgaldr
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Any post that ends with posthaste has to be liked imo lolOther markets managed to hang on to their team during the depression. When push came to shove, Pittsburgh didn't support their team & lost it.
If nothing else, this thread has convinced me that both Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have been proven unworthy of the NHL. I take no pleasure in taking this position, but I strongly encourage the league to revoke both franchises, posthaste.
Jets4Life
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I've noticed that every time you post one of your ramblings about Winnipeg not deserving/supporting their team, the Jets end up winning. They have gone undefeated since you made your first post. Can you please continue to post the same redundant points about how Winnipeg does not deserve a team every week, until the last week of June?
You seem to be a good luck charm.
I have news for you. The people complaining about other teams not selling out may very well not be the same people giving reasons for the Jets not selling out so the bolded doesn't really apply.
BKIslandersFan
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