Post-Game Talk: Winnipeg Jets win in season finale [asterisk]

[DannyGallivan]

I don't want to be alarmist, because like most or all of you, I'm not a doctor, but let's look at the statement "A very small portion will pass away."

If we assume the least bad forecast, that "only" 30% of Canadians get COVID-19, and if "only" 1% actually pass away (which is less than the forecasted percentage), that's 105,000 Canadians.

That doesn't sound like a "very small portion" to me.

Depends on the demographic you're testing, I suppose. Also, the numbers are skewed because of the lack of testing. The mortality rate is based on confirmed cases. There could be a lot more people with the virus (that's probably very likely), which if they were all confirmed would drive the mortality rate down a lot.

There are some beneficial spin-offs as well, at least in the short term. The environment is a huge winner, particularly air quality. The habit of hand washing could become habit forming, and help curb future outbreaks of any flu - especially this year. The world will also learn a lot of important lessons, based on how they manage this, which could prove extremely valuable down the road for a variety of reasons. Finally, for those with money to invest, you can make a killing on the stock market by buying low, cuz the stocks always rebound (and then some).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Safe to say Helly wins the Vezina this year?

Depends. Do voters take into account the team in front of him and the work load? Rask has a .929 sv% to Helle's .922. Only 41 games to Connor's 58.

 

[Gm0ney]

I see that. So all people with the coronavirus have a 96.5 per cent survival rate. Of course, this can be broken down further by age group:

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

AGE	DEATH RATE confirmed cases	DEATH RATE all cases
80+ years old	21.9%	14.8%
70-79 years old	8.0%
60-69 years old	3.6%
50-59 years old	1.3%
40-49 years old	0.4%
30-39 years old	0.2%
20-29 years old	0.2%
10-19 years old	0.2%
0-9 years old	no fatalities

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

0.2% is 1-in-500. Would you play Russian Roulette with those odds? I mean, it's better than 1-in-6 revolver odds, but still...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Crazy was World War Deux...

We are going to be okay...

Good bit of perspective.
But this is still a crazy time in history. Not nearly the worst time though.

Black plague
WW I
Spanish Flu (sorry Spain, I know it wasn't your fault)
WW II

Just to name a few.

 

[Jets 31]

I see that. So all people with the coronavirus have a 96.5 per cent survival rate. Of course, this can be broken down further by age group:

COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). This probability differs depending on the age group. The percentages shown below do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by age group. Rather, it represents, for a person in a given age group, the risk of dying if infected with COVID-19.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

AGE	DEATH RATE confirmed cases	DEATH RATE all cases
80+ years old	21.9%	14.8%
70-79 years old	8.0%
60-69 years old	3.6%
50-59 years old	1.3%
40-49 years old	0.4%
30-39 years old	0.2%
20-29 years old	0.2%
10-19 years old	0.2%
0-9 years old	no fatalities

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It's crazy we are looking at stats like this on a hockey forum , pretty serious and sad all at the same time . I would rather be talking about what a moron Maurice is for looking like he would actually get this team into the playoffs .

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Canada is closely aligned to US in terms of region and social infrastructure.

Actually, Canada could be worse as the health care system is already taxed (over utilized) and it's colder, longer, which will help foster the spread. What is going for Canada is remoteness and the Government probably having it's shit together more than the US.

Here is where I based my potential argument:

Marc Lipsitch, a Harvard University epidemiologist, told CBS News on Monday that based on mathematical models, it's projected that 40% to 70% of the world’s population could get infected. He said he thinks that projection is likely to become a reality.

Using the low end of this, 150MM Americans could contract it, and 5% is 750,000 which is the death rate.

Again, this could all blow over - not enough is known about all the different impactors that could affect this number.

My first post was simply responding to the notion that it's no big deal. Billion dollar industries don't shut down operations for no big deal - think of it that way.

You are in a better position in Canada.

The US health system is in a worse situation wrt something like Coronavirus. Many people don't have insurance and can't afford to go to the doctor - they either get better or just die. In the case of Coronavirus, the will be sick hoping that they have a cold or flu (not corona) and will be infectious to others during this time. Many people that have health insurance, the out of pocket costs for use are unaffordable for them. Initial out of pocket for Coronavirus tests were averaged out to be around $1k. People knowing that simply won't go get tested (if test kits were available) because they don't have $1000. They too will be infectious to others. I think Trump talked about urging insurance companies to waive fees/out of pocket costs for Coronavirus testing. That's great, except history shows that the insurance companies will then do everything they can to limit access to the tests so they don't have to absorb the costs - something like - once you meet all of these specific criteria which determine that yes you have Coronavirus real good, then we will pay for the test that confirms that you have Coronavirus real good. Last option for people - Emergency rooms average cost is about $1400 - see 'people can't afford it' discussion above.

Finally, recall that the people currently in charge in the US don't believe in pandemics. I don't know if it is a religious thing or what, but they cancelled funding for the disease security program, CDC global disease prevention funding was cut 80% and they cut global disease fighting budgets of global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, NSC, Department of Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services (HHS). Oh yeah, and they fired the US Pandemic Response team in 2018 because they don't believe in pandemics. Remember the first press conferences where the message from the top was that' everything is fine and this will just magically go away quickly - btw everything we do is always 100% perfect'. We used to have a global health czar to address readiness and response for pandemics amongst other things - but that was deemed unnecessary and axed because, well pandemics don't really exist is some people's view of the universe.

So yeah, the US is trying to get caught up now, but is still way behind in readiness. Canada at least still has people in government that believe is science for sciency things. We don't have that down here right now.

Not that it is anyone's business but I am not a bleeding heart liberal democrat, or even a Democrat.

 

[kanadalainen]

True - but we are still missing Little and Sbisa.

Will Little return to the Jets? I am worried that he will not.

 

[wpgallday1960]

You are in a better position in Canada.

The US health system is in a worse situation wrt something like Coronavirus. Many people don't have insurance and can't afford to go to the doctor - they either get better or just die. In the case of Coronavirus, the will be sick hoping that they have a cold or flu (not corona) and will be infectious to others during this time. Many people that have health insurance, the out of pocket costs for use are unaffordable for them. Initial out of pocket for Coronavirus tests were averaged out to be around $1k. People knowing that simply won't go get tested (if test kits were available) because they don't have $1000. They too will be infectious to others. I think Trump talked about urging insurance companies to waive fees/out of pocket costs for Coronavirus testing. That's great, except history shows that the insurance companies will then do everything they can to limit access to the tests so they don't have to absorb the costs - something like - once you meet all of these specific criteria which determine that yes you have Coronavirus real good, then we will pay for the test that confirms that you have Coronavirus real good. Last option for people - Emergency rooms average cost is about $1400 - see 'people can't afford it' discussion above.

Finally, recall that the people currently in charge in the US don't believe in pandemics. I don't know if it is a religious thing or what, but they cancelled funding for the disease security program, CDC global disease prevention funding was cut 80% and they cut global disease fighting budgets of global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, NSC, Department of Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services (HHS). Oh yeah, and they fired the US Pandemic Response team in 2018 because they don't believe in pandemics. Remember the first press conferences where the message from the top was that' everything is fine and this will just magically go away quickly - btw everything we do is always 100% perfect'. We used to have a global health czar to address readiness and response for pandemics amongst other things - but that was deemed unnecessary and axed because, well pandemics don't really exist is some people's view of the universe.

So yeah, the US is trying to get caught up now, but is still way behind in readiness. Canada at least still has people in government that believe is science for sciency things. We don't have that down here right now.

Not that it is anyone's business but I am not a bleeding heart liberal democrat, or even a Democrat.

What is happening in the U.S. in response to Covid-19 is down right scandalous.

 

[Jets 31]

You are in a better position in Canada.

The US health system is in a worse situation wrt something like Coronavirus. Many people don't have insurance and can't afford to go to the doctor - they either get better or just die. In the case of Coronavirus, the will be sick hoping that they have a cold or flu (not corona) and will be infectious to others during this time. Many people that have health insurance, the out of pocket costs for use are unaffordable for them. Initial out of pocket for Coronavirus tests were averaged out to be around $1k. People knowing that simply won't go get tested (if test kits were available) because they don't have $1000. They too will be infectious to others. I think Trump talked about urging insurance companies to waive fees/out of pocket costs for Coronavirus testing. That's great, except history shows that the insurance companies will then do everything they can to limit access to the tests so they don't have to absorb the costs - something like - once you meet all of these specific criteria which determine that yes you have Coronavirus real good, then we will pay for the test that confirms that you have Coronavirus real good. Last option for people - Emergency rooms average cost is about $1400 - see 'people can't afford it' discussion above.

Finally, recall that the people currently in charge in the US don't believe in pandemics. I don't know if it is a religious thing or what, but they cancelled funding for the disease security program, CDC global disease prevention funding was cut 80% and they cut global disease fighting budgets of global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, NSC, Department of Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services (HHS). Oh yeah, and they fired the US Pandemic Response team in 2018 because they don't believe in pandemics. Remember the first press conferences where the message from the top was that' everything is fine and this will just magically go away quickly - btw everything we do is always 100% perfect'. We used to have a global health czar to address readiness and response for pandemics amongst other things - but that was deemed unnecessary and axed because, well pandemics don't really exist is some people's view of the universe.

So yeah, the US is trying to get caught up now, but is still way behind in readiness. Canada at least still has people in government that believe is science for sciency things. We don't have that down here right now.

Not that it is anyone's business but I am not a bleeding heart liberal democrat, or even a Democrat.

Love travelling to the U.S but what you have posted here so well is why i would NEVER want to live there .

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Love travelling to the U.S but what you have posted here so well is why i would NEVER want to live there .

Make sure you have good travel insurance for your visits! Coronavirus time or not.

 

[kanadalainen]

The most recent "worst case" scenario (which means it might not happen, but it is absolutely feasible) is that between 30% and 70% of Canadians contract the virus.

Yesterday's New York Times reported that Angela Merkel (Germany) gave a speech warning Germans that 70% of their citizens can expect to become infected with COVID-19. That is a remarkable statement in and of itself.

 

[Jets 31]

Make sure you have good travel insurance for your visits! Coronavirus time or not.

Ya , always do . I remember about 15 years ago we used to go to Grand Forks North Dakota for a yearly hockey tournament and one of our guys got a puck to the face and needed 25 stitches to close the cut . He didn't have insurance , the bill was unbelievable .

 

[Jets 31]

Well i PVR'd the game last night , guess i'm going to watch that about 20 times now , thank god they won .

 

[kanadalainen]

Well i PVR'd the game last night , guess i'm going to watch that about 20 times now , thank god they won .

This is awesome, good on you!

 

[Jets 31]

This is awesome, good on you!

I still have the Grey Cup on PVR , guess i'll watch that too .

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well i PVR'd the game last night , guess i'm going to watch that about 20 times now , thank god they won .

I still have the Grey Cup on PVR , guess i'll watch that too .

You guys need to send out some invites -- we can all pool our BP and Safeway vouchers and hang out via Skype/ FT, observing the social-distancing protocols while watching all the wins of the season on everyone's PVRs.

 

[kanadalainen]

You guys need to send out some invites -- we can all pool our BP and Safeway vouchers and hang out via Skype/ FT, observing the social-distancing protocols while watching all the wins of the season on everyone's PVRs.

Oh yes, I like this idea.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The wfp treated it like Nhl is still on.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Can Connor hit 50 pretty darn hard but not impossible.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Yesterday's New York Times reported that Angela Merkel (Germany) gave a speech warning Germans that 70% of their citizens can expect to become infected with COVID-19. That is a remarkable statement in and of itself.

Predictions are 30-60% of the world will experience Coronavirus, up to 70% on the high end. We are at the early stages of this pandemic. This will accelerate quickly. It will be an interesting test of many of our human inventions like our modern economic model, banking systems, supply chains which are not designed to be able to adapt to a rapid contraction in global commerce and economic activity. The current economic system is exceedingly flawed and rife with debt levels never seen before. Economic collapse to some level is not out of the question and should be expected to some level in my opinion.

 

[larmex99]

Kyle Connor continues to impress. He’s so damn good. How did we get him at pick 17 or whatever ?

Thank the Bruins.

 

[Jets 31]

Me right now .

 

[Royale With Cheese]

The most recent "worst case" scenario (which means it might not happen, but it is absolutely feasible) is that between 30% and 70% of Canadians contract the virus.

Official mortality rate estimate is 3.4% right now from the WHO.

So, Canada's population is ~ 38,000,000.
Let's say 50% contract the virus.
At 3.4% mortality, that is 646,000 deaths.
Wilcard of course is age and other factors - approximately 8,000,000 of the total population are over 65 years.
Either way, that's a lot of deaths.

The social distancing that is happening with cancellations everywhere (Major league sports, concerts, Junos, and I'd expect that bars, lounges, and resturants shutter at some point too), and work from home initiatives will greatly reduce this number IMO.

Sorry to hijack the PGT...

 

[Jet]

Not to make light of the situation but doesn't it seem so comical that after all our team has fought through this year, to finally get as healthy as we will be this year and go on a run to get so close and have some bizarre situation say NOPE NOT THIS YEAR, JETS!

Best we can hope for is stabilization over the summer and we can start next year in a far better place and get back to being one of the leaders in the Western Conference. I might go batty without hockey, though - this race was funnnnn

 

[DannyGallivan]

0.2% is 1-in-500. Would you play Russian Roulette with those odds? I mean, it's better than 1-in-6 revolver odds, but still...

I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Those odds don't bother me personally. To me, it's the side-effects that are the biggest pain (leagues shut down, stocks plummeting, possible school closures and closures in general, possible issues getting food and supplies).