GDT: Winnipeg Jets @ Toronto Maple Leafs at 7:00pm on SNO

[Captain14]

Muzzin turned it over instead of making a play off the boards, he fanned on it

I agree on the turnover, but all Holl needed to do was stick with his man. There was no reason whatsoever for him to drift off into the center of the slot.

 

[hamzarocks]

How about that stutzle goal, that seemed like a bad goal, and no one talks about it huh...

Well we did end up winning the game, so it didn't matter. If we end up winning this game, that goal (which wasn't as bad as Campbell's vs Stuzle) won't matter. If we choke it than Andersen will get shitted on and might deserve it if we continue to dominate and end up losing. Hopefully doesn't come to that and leafs close this out with ease

 

[Dave92]

If it's a 1 goal lead with under 3 minutes left Andersen will over commit on everything and start to flop wildly if there's a rebound in the crease.

Need to put up 1-2 more and take the pressure off.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

High danger chances are 13-1 this game. Fans will really bitch no matter how the team plays

 

[saffronleaf]

lmao 'we can pump up that rivalry again' no one looked at all excited. the rivalry is done, victor declared, etc.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I can't believe we don't have a bigger lead

 

[Throw More Waffles]

How the f*** are people blaming Andersen on that goal?

I disagreed at first, but they convinced me.

Winnipeg's D has made dozens of mistakes like that, Hellebyuk bails them out. The leafs dominate play ALL game, and Hellebyuk bails them out. The leafs D can't make even one mistake without the puck immediately going in. The leafs can't' let Winnipeg control play even ONCE without the puck going in the back of the net.

I'm starting to think the leafs are amazing at controlling play and getting chances, but have HORRIBLE finish. Which leads the constant conclusion of "we just faced a hot goaltender".

I'm not sure anymore. I'm confused.

 

[Critical13]

Pump up what rivalry? lol

Nice try panel, there's no rivalry anymore.

 

[francis246]

Just want to clarify, it’s not Andersen’s fault. But my issue is that we never get a timely save from him. That is what I believe is holding him back from being an elite goaltender. He doesn’t make key saves in big moments. All the best goaltenders do, it just seems like Freddy never does.

 

[Morgs]

Unsure if you can quantify but I would argue an (almost) royal road pass to that location creates a better scoring chance than the average shot from that location.

100%, but the idea behind it is simply to show that it was far enough away that Fred had the time to make the save.

Again I dont blame him, but I'm kinda getting sick of the fact that virtually every defensive breakdown (which happens to literally every team) seems to go into the back of the net if it's a MD chance or better.

 

[Aashir]

I disagreed at first, but they convinced me.

Winnipeg's D has made dozens of mistakes like that Hellebyuk bails them out. The leafs dominate play ALL game, and Hellebyuk bails them out. The leafs D can't make even one mistake without the puck immediately going in. The leafs can't' let Winnipeg control play even ONCE without the puck going in the back of the net.

I'm starting to think the leafs are amazing at controlling play and getting chances, but have HORRIBLE finish. Which leads the constant conclusion of "we just faced a hot goaltender".

I'm not sure anymore. I'm confused.

Name a shot we had like that, we weren’t given a Matthews walking in to the slot open with no one around

 

[Marshy]

These are all 4 pointer games and in a 56 game season every game is magnified that much more. Expect an increase in close games.

 

[ToneDog]

Matty scores that goal and it is what a snipe. Connor scores it and Andy can't make a save.

 

[Smif]

I just posted and said the entire shift was a disaster and can't be blamed on Andersen...

But I'm starting to reconsider.

What's frustrated me is that the leafs have dominated play like that all game against Winnipeg. The leafs have taken dozens of shots like that.

Then one mix up, Winnipeg has one... just one dominating shift (that the leafs have had ALL game) and they immediately just take one shot and score.

Do the leafs have a goalie problem or a "finish" problem? I'm not so sure anymore.

Leafs, 32 shots, 2 goals.
Jets, 16 shots, 1 goal.

The stats say Andersen is matching the vezina winner in SV%.

I'm by no means an "Andersen guy" but tonight isn't the night to pile on him after two.

 

[Confucius]

It was good shot, it would have been a very good save. We need a goalie to make very good saves every now and then.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Anyone who is blaming Freddy on that goal should give their head a shake. He’s made some very calm saves all night. Not sure a previous poster formulated a cross seam pass to a wide open shot in the high slot...to a top 50 nhl player as 6.8% of going in. It’s actually stupid. Would you like freddy to make the save? Of course. Can he? Ya he can. But that’s not a routine save. It was a horrendous break down from one of our more responsible players (muzz) and a scramble to recover against their top line. Can’t make mistakes like that in your own end, against a line like that. Unacceptable from muzz.

 

[Morgs]

High danger chances are 13-1 this game. Fans will really bitch no matter how the team plays

DID YOU NOT SEE MUZZIN GIVE UP THE PUCK? BAD DEFENSE

 

[Gallagbi]

Again... cant blame Fred, but that shot had a 5.8% chance of going in which is the 3rd best chance WPG has had on net and 4th best overall.

The Leafs have been fantastic defenseively and Fred simply cant bail them out on one of the few good chances WPG has gotten.

For reference, the Leafs have had [at least] 15 better chances than that and Helley has stopped 13+ of them.

Assuming this is placement on the ice and not accounting for the back and forth puck movement on the play?

 

[Carltons Cup]

I've been skeptical of Freddy's play the first 2 games, but that goal was not his fault.

The hot takes in here are worth the price of admission...

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It was a brutal pass from Muzzin, questionable coverage by Holl/Simmonds, and then a save that Andersen probably should have had.

It starts with Muzzin though. That never should have happened in the first place, and I have no idea what he was thinking. He should never pass it in front of the net, and that was nowhere near going around behind the net...

 

[mallory67]

You goalie critics are on fire tonight. But then again, when aren't you?

Exactly. When aren't we?
When's the last time we had a great goalie?

 

[Critical13]

High danger chances are 13-1 this game. Fans will really bitch no matter how the team plays

Complete domination. One team has a vezina calibre goalie, one team has a guy that is a tenuous starter. Andy has been good tonight all things considered but man, it must be nice to have a goalie that is just "okay".

 

[PromisedLand]

Just want to clarify, it’s not Andersen’s fault. But my issue is that we never get a timely save from him. That is what I believe is holding him back from being an elite goaltender. He doesn’t make key saves in big moments. All the best goaltenders do, it just seems like Freddy never does.

Elite goalies are not easy to acquire; second a lot of teams have gone on to win the cup with good goalies (not elite goalies). You dont need a vezina goalie to go deep in the playoffs.

You need good defensive structure and timely goals on the opposition

 

[Morgs]

Assuming this is placement on the ice and not accounting for the back and forth puck movement on the play?

Yeah it's about where the shot was taken from.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Name a shot we had like that, we weren’t given a Matthews walking in to the slot open with no one around

Well, then that's another problem. If we control play for almost the entire first 2 periods, have 13 high danger scoring chances, but none of our shots are "good", then yes... that's a whole other problem. Starting to think our elite forwards lack finish.