There is a reason that high-scoring former 1st round pick DeAngelo was traded for #37, and it's not because TB was doing a big favour for the Coyotes.
Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) Part II (Mod warning in OP)
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There is a reason that high-scoring former 1st round pick DeAngelo was traded for #37, and it's not because TB was doing a big favour for the Coyotes.
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One of the red flags with DeAngelo was character. Not sure if that factored into this move or not but it seems odd to shuffle a kid out who is so productive?
CorgisPer60
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Both of these. There is no reason Yzerman ships out a former 1st round pick like that unless there are glaring red flags about his character.
raideralex99
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Chevy could have moved up to take Chychrun ... It's only a few million cap. Who do you want to drop Trouba, Schef, Lowery?
People thinks it's that easy ... it's not. Chevy has a direct line to the accountant just like all the GMs before they can make a trade they get the okay from the accountant.
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No, no, no. Nobody says that. Of course there are exceptions. The trouble is there is no way to identify the exceptions. If there was they wouldn't be exceptions. They would be the expected results of some other rule.
The point, and the whole point is that the home run swing fails far too often relative to the successes to ever be a smart decision.
Stanley might be the next home run. He might be the next Chara. But they have no reason to believe that. It is just a blind guess and if it works out it will be blind luck. The worst thing is that if it works out it will lead them to make more bad decisions just like it because they will believe they were right.
Guys like those listed and like Stanley should be taken in the 5th or 6th round. Not the first and especially not trading up to get him. Good grief!
This pick was shocking at first but we need to trust our Jets brass in the 1st round. They've been terrific so far and to want someone enough to trade up means they see something special in him.
Looking at video his skating is actually quite strong, he ALWAYS has his head up, he lands huge open ice hits and is in incredible shape.
This is one of the first prospects who actually deserves the Chara comparison. Their biggest similarity aside from size and nastiness in drive, focus and work ethic. All attributes that can't be taught.
Stanley is also a really good hockey name. I love what it suggests!
Looking at video his skating is actually quite strong, he ALWAYS has his head up, he lands huge open ice hits and is in incredible shape.
This is one of the first prospects who actually deserves the Chara comparison. Their biggest similarity aside from size and nastiness in drive, focus and work ethic. All attributes that can't be taught.
Stanley is also a really good hockey name. I love what it suggests!
irunthepeg
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I trust our scouting staff but I also really trust Vito Correlationi... and if he doesn't like the pick then I'm cautiously optimistic about it all. Granted, I didn't see much of the kid but stats alone must not do him justice.
Going by the Google sheet they have going in the prospects forum, Stanley's average ranking was 40.6, median 30, and he had a st dev of 28.27 (though this is based off something like 12 ratings). Frankly he was one of the better ranked D left on the board at 18, Johansen and Clague had better average rankings but lower median rankings. Not particularly sold on Stanley myself, certainly concerned if he'll be able to develop his offense. But if the Jets were intent on drafting a D at 18 then so be it.
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This pick was shocking at first but we need to trust our Jets brass in the 1st round. They've been terrific so far and to want someone enough to trade up means they see something special in him.
Looking at video his skating is actually quite strong, he ALWAYS has his head up, he lands huge open ice hits and is in incredible shape.
This is one of the first prospects who actually deserves the Chara comparison. Their biggest similarity aside from size and nastiness in drive, focus and work ethic. All attributes that can't be taught.
Stanley is also a really good hockey name. I love what it suggests!
All of those plus attributes should lead to dominance. It doesn't. Why? What's missing? The lack of offense always makes me question deployment and hockey sense (ability to read the play at 200 feet). Stanley didn't suffer due to deployment.
truck
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If you consider the fact that I wrote it, I'm pretty comfortable speaking on the designs.
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You know it is less likely that D men who play poorly in junior make it to the NHL than it is for guys who play well in junior, right?
Don't mean to be pissy, but come on.
Being big can be an advantage if you are also good. It is not an advantage if you are not good.
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Let me rephrase my statement. I was bitter seeing Arizona jumping up to take a falling top rated LD....because.......Arizona and I was hoping he would continue dropping. I was disappointed in us jumping up to pick Stanley after the fact and that is just my opinion and nothing more based on what I have seen from him previous to the draft. he is boom or bust but hopefully a big skyscraper type boom.
to your question. Lowry all day
if Chevy could of moved up. but obviously there is a lot of cap space/politics/feelings/needs/relationships involved between GMs and organizations which factor in moving up in the draft, plus its all taking place at breakneck speeds.Stanley might have been an unwise pick ( I think so), but he wasn't a huge "reach" based on rankings. McKenzie's panel of 10 NHL scouts had him ranked at 22, and clearly the best D available when the Jets were going to select.
He was ranked ahead of Hajek, Cholowski, Johansen and Clague. So, according to a group of ten scouts, he was the best D available.
By the way, Green was ranked at #60 on McKenzie's list, ahead of Dineen and Peeke. Cederholm was ranked at #78. The average ranking of the Jets 2-4 picks was 53. Interestingly, at the beginning of the draft the average draft placement for those Jets picks was 52 (22, 36, 97).
Fun with numbers...
Very few big D who produce well don't make it. A considerable proportion of small players who produce well don't make it. Many big Dmen who make it didn't produce at 17. Virtually no small D who don't produce at 17 make it.
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They didn't draft him for his scoring or for his fighting. They drafted him to keep the puck out of the net. Maybe in a few years he can learn to do that well. With luck.
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Yes, I know that. I'm not saying the Jets are the only team dazzled by his size. Its not like this is a rare phenomenon. The rumour is that if we hadn't taken him Detroit would have. Most, if not all teams give in to the temptation to take the home run swing once in a while. That doesn't make it smart. He is a long shot. Does anybody deny that? Long shots should be reserved for the late rounds.
I hope he turns out like Myers. There is no particular reason to believe he will but he certainly might.
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I didn't say most (or for that matter any) scouts had him rated that low and THEREFORE the Jets took him too high. Apparently most scouts are, at least sometimes, overly impressed by size.
I'm saying that he is a long shot. That is why he should have been rated for the late rounds. I don't care why he is a long shot, height, weight, intelligence, character etc. Whatever the reason, long shots should be taken late. High value early picks should be spent on high probability players. Note: I am not saying he has no chance of becoming a good player. I'm saying that the odds are against it.
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They placed Logan Stanley on Group A with Connor, Harkins, and Lemieux. They're making me cheer for Stanley. NOOOOOO 
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I suggest 'clearly the highest rated D available when the Jets were going to select'.
Consensus ratings are not always correct. It seems to that I have seen the Oilers criticized for always taking the consensus #1 instead of occasionally being smart enough to see that Yak was not really that good.
I hated seeing Stanley at 22 on MacKenzie's panel. At every pick I was praying someone else would take him. I may be wrong but he showed every sign of being way overrated because of his size. We see it every year.
I don't know if I'm impressed or confused by people who have such firm opinions on a player they have likely seen less than 5 times.
I'm less confident about what I had for lunch than some people are about this prospect or the wisdom of taking him.
I'm less confident about what I had for lunch than some people are about this prospect or the wisdom of taking him.
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