Winnipeg Jets select D Logan Stanley (1/18) Part II (Mod warning in OP)

[PhilJets]

I honestly think Green has a higher ceiling than Stanley.

then if that works out that is outside the park home run for the JETS

 

[Aavco Cup]

I honestly think Green has a higher ceiling than Stanley.

If you could somehow combine the two skillsets into one player

 

[TS Quint]

No evidence that the Jets would have taken Virtanen or Ritchie over Larkin or Fiala.

My view is that there weren't really any sure bets at 22 this year. There were higher probability picks, certainly, but I wasn't overly excited about anyone left except maybe Rubtsov, though he has question marks too. Jets took a big swing, probably erroneously. I don't like what it says about our scouting approach. I am a bit more encouraged that he doesn't look like a stiff based on a first live viewing at development camp. Let's check back in a year or two.

seems like this falling prospects are being blown out of proportion. Every year they talk about grouping prospects together in groups like a top 3, then the next 7 are a tight group then the next 15 are interchangeable. So what some are calling a falling player are really being taken in the range they were expected.

For what it's worth I recall Lawless being fairly sure the Jets were going to take Larkin with the Ehlers pick on the radio. I'm sure he's not pulling that out of thin air so there must have been some discussion of at least 2 prospects with that pick.

Wasn't Morrisey rated as a late 1st coming into the draft? A player "falling" or going up 10 spots from what some expect isn't crazy. Just look at the "expert" draft lists. You see players up and down the various lists. And then you start to factor in team need.

 

[Daximus]

If you could somehow combine the two skillsets into one player

He'd likely be one of the best defencemen since Ekblad. Speed and size could make for a very lethal combo.

 

[Daximus]

seems like this falling prospects are being blown out of proportion. Every year they talk about grouping prospects together in groups like a top 3, then the next 7 are a tight group then the next 15 are interchangeable. So what some are calling a falling player are really being taken in the range they were expected.

For what it's worth I recall Lawless being fairly sure the Jets were going to take Larkin with the Ehlers pick on the radio. I'm sure he's not pulling that out of thin air so there must have been some discussion of at least 2 prospects with that pick.

Wasn't Morrisey rated as a late 1st coming into the draft? A player "falling" or going up 10 spots from what some expect isn't crazy. Just look at the "expert" draft lists. You see players up and down the various lists. And then you start to factor in team need.

I think the Jets being excellent drafters is also blown a bit out of proportion as well. The Jets are average, maybe slightly above average, drafters that got lucky a few times with fallers and the lottery, took consensus BPA once and have had 1 solid slight reach while reaching on two defencemen in the middle of the 1st and taking one forward in the late 1st. I Actually remember the Alex Tuch thing from Lawless. He might have said recently they would have taken Larkin to make them look better than they are.

 

[Daximus]

then if that works out that is outside the park home run for the JETS

If both Stanley and Green work than yes. If just Green makes it, someone we could have easily taken with the 2nd rounder or maybe even traded back to get while retaining more picks, than no it's not.

 

[leafster7]

This article says that Stanley could be one of the top 10 steals of the draft:

http://www.sportsbreak.com/nhl/10-nhl-draft-day-sleepers-and-steals/9/

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't believe Lawless had the scoop on this for a second. He was also the guy who kept suggesting that the Jets were strongly thinking about Puljujarvi over Laine.

Has that been disproven?

 

[PhilJets]

ken Daneyko , that will work not bad.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Has that been disproven?

The draft put that theory to bed. Chevy said in an interview they had Laine in mind from the moment they won the lottery. All the smoke was just a GM GMing

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Has that been disproven?

I don't know how it could be one way or the other. The only real evidence we have is: we drafted Laine.

 

[PhilJets]

If both Stanley and Green work than yes. If just Green makes it, someone we could have easily taken with the 2nd rounder or maybe even traded back to get while retaining more picks, than no it's not.

This is the cards (drafted players) we have now and all the other teams.
We can't go with what if anymore.

Any 3rd round pick that becomes first pairing defenseman is a home run, on by that pick alone.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This article says that Stanley could be one of the top 10 steals of the draft:

http://www.sportsbreak.com/nhl/10-nhl-draft-day-sleepers-and-steals/9/

They also based it largely on his improved +-.

But they are right, he could be. It just isn't likely.

 

[Whileee]

Has that been disproven?

How could it ever be? It's kind of pointless to constantly try to figure out how the Jets make decisions by invoking unsubstantiated rumours.

Chevy did say that they were locked in to their #2 selection for some time.

 

[TS Quint]

How could it ever be? It's kind of pointless to constantly try to figure out how the Jets make decisions by invoking unsubstantiated rumours.

Chevy did say that they were locked in to their #2 selection for some time.

When Chevy apologized for the smokescreen I think that said he was putting out some bs to the media on the uncertainty of the pick.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

How could it ever be? It's kind of pointless to constantly try to figure out how the Jets make decisions by invoking unsubstantiated rumours.

Chevy did say that they were locked in to their #2 selection for some time.

And before that they seriously considered Pulju. That's all.

 

[Aavco Cup]

And before that they seriously considered Pulju. That's all.

The point was Lawless was spewing the Jets might not take Laine as late as a few days before the draft. It's clear the Jets had made up their minds long before then.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Be nice if Windsor could play Stanley forward for a part of the season. May kickstart his offensive side. Be nice to have an adaptable big guy as well.

 

[nobody important]

Be nice if Windsor could play Stanley forward for a part of the season. May kickstart his offensive side. Be nice to have an adaptable big guy as well.

I don't want a jack of all trades, master of none. He should focus on becoming the best defenseman that he can be.

 

[Whileee]

And before that they seriously considered Pulju. That's all.

Not sure what the point is. They should have seriously considered Pulju at some point this season, because he's a great prospect and regarded as one of the top-3 for most of the season.

I still see no evidence that Lawless had a clue what the Jets' draft list looked like.

 

[Huffer]

Be nice if Windsor could play Stanley forward for a part of the season. May kickstart his offensive side. Be nice to have an adaptable big guy as well.

I have 0 desire for this.


I do wonder about Sergachev and the odds he makes the Habs. I can't decide if that would be a good thing or not. On the surface I would say it would be better if Serg was on the Habs so more falls on Stanley. On the other hand, Windsor will be in the Memorial cup next year (hosts) so having Serg gives the team much better chance, and I like having prospects in good environments.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think that Windsors D pairings will end up being

Serg/Chatfield
Stanley/Nother
Sanvido/Auger

Stanley and Nother will end up playing against the other teams top pairing and I think they will end up using Stanley on the PP more because of his shot

 

[Whileee]

Roslovic can score and has many tools that look like they translate to an NHL player. The knock on him was if he was a product of his line mates or not for his draft season.

Stanley's lack of scoring and all around poor skating is a concern, we're at a time where even defensive-minded defense men need to be able to contribute offensively, and he's got a long road ahead of him to get to near good enough for the NHL. There's a lot of room for growth with his game, but that also means there's a lot of room for him to never translate his game to the NHL. He's high risk, and we'll probably have to wait several years to see if he pans out.

Stanley takes a lot of positive projection to imagine him in the NHL - too much for my liking. But I would also say that based on three viewings this week so far, he does look "projectable" in terms of his physical tools and basic processing of situations. It helps to remind myself that he just turned 18 about 6 weeks ago and a lot of the other players at the camp are 2, 3 or 4 years older than him.

 

[Gm0ney]

If you post it, its gotta be accurate?

He had a very good year last season, considered on of the best dmen in the OHL, played heavy minutes against the top lines last year, had a dramatic improvements over his rookie season, which Rocky Thompson stated was the biggest improvement he and Warren Rychel have ever seen from a rookie year to sophomore year, in their entire history with the SPitfires.

So, basically you have no clue what kind of season he had last year?

Or maybe Lemieux is out to lunch:

Lemieux was pretty excited on draft night

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

I could find plenty of quotes from Managers, coaches, and players praising players who never even came close to making it in the NHL.

Just look at all the kids who get picked in the first round. Nearly all those kids have things like this said about them and yet only a small handful ever make it.

Yet some poster on a forum, that didn't watch one iota of Logan Stanley last season, has anything accurate to state?

Take the coach and teammates assertions, over that, everyday of the week.

To state Stanley had a poor draft season is pure nonsense. It clearly shows that you have zero knowledge of his season last year.