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That last Aavco Cup was 40 years ago! I won't say it seems like yesterday - but it doesn't feel like 40 years. Sure makes me feel old though.
... nor in Edmonton or Carolina (maybe not even in Colorado, since the Rockies failed).June 27, 1972 - it was 47 years ago today the Golden Jet Bobby Hull signed with the Winnipeg Jets. His signing with the Jets would alter the course of hockey history. Without Hull joining the Jets it is highly unlikely that we would have NHL hockey in Winnipeg today.
Edmonton might have ended up with the Blues when they were going to move in the 80s. They almost went to Saskatoon but the BoG nixed that because Saskatoon was too small...Edmonton would've had a good shot though - Northlands was a pretty nice new arena. I imagine Winnipeg would've still had the shit-dump, unexpanded, 10,000 seat Winnipeg Arena in 1983 so Edmonton would've been the preferable candidate. Or maybe Edmonton would've got the Atlanta Flames in 1980 and Calgary could've landed the Blues.... nor in Edmonton or Carolina (maybe not even in Colorado, since the Rockies failed).
June 27, 1972 - it was 47 years ago today the Golden Jet Bobby Hull signed with the Winnipeg Jets. His signing with the Jets would alter the course of hockey history. Without Hull joining the Jets it is highly unlikely that we would have NHL hockey in Winnipeg today.
Regular Season | Playoffs | Vitals | |||||||||||||
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# | Player Name | Pos. | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | +/- | GP | G | A | Pts | PIM | Birthplace | Age |
26 | Blake Wheeler | R | 80 | 17 | 47 | 64 | 55 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Plymouth | 25 |
9 | Evander Kane | L | 74 | 30 | 27 | 57 | 53 | 11 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Vancouver | 20 |
33 | Dustin Byfuglien | D | 66 | 12 | 41 | 53 | 72 | -8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Roseau | 26 |
16 | Andrew Ladd | L | 82 | 28 | 22 | 50 | 64 | -8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Maple Ridge | 25 |
13 | Kyle Wellwood | C | 77 | 18 | 29 | 47 | 4 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Windsor | 28 |
18 | Bryan Little | C | 74 | 24 | 22 | 46 | 26 | -11 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Edmonton | 23 |
80 | Nikolai Antropov | R | 69 | 15 | 20 | 35 | 42 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Kazakhstan: Ust-Kamenogorsk | 31 |
39 | Tobias Enstrom | D | 62 | 6 | 27 | 33 | 38 | 6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Nordingra | 26 |
4 | Zach Bogosian | D | 65 | 5 | 25 | 30 | 71 | -3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NY: Massena | 21 |
8 | Alexander Burmistrov | C | 76 | 13 | 15 | 28 | 42 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Kazan | 19 |
14 | Tim Stapleton | R | 63 | 11 | 16 | 27 | 10 | -2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | IL: Forest Park | 29 |
19 | Jim Slater | C | 78 | 13 | 8 | 21 | 42 | -9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MI: Lapeer | 28 |
15 | Tanner Glass | L | 78 | 5 | 11 | 16 | 73 | -12 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | SASK: Regina | 27 |
5 | Mark Stuart | D | 80 | 3 | 11 | 14 | 98 | -4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MN: Rochester | 27 |
20 | Antti Miettinen | L | 45 | 5 | 8 | 13 | 0 | -5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Finland: Hameenlinna | 31 |
29 | Johnny Oduya 1 | D | 63 | 2 | 11 | 13 | 33 | -9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Stockholm | 29 |
22 | Chris Thorburn | R | 72 | 4 | 7 | 11 | 83 | -6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Sault Ste. Marie | 28 |
6 | Ron Hainsey | D | 56 | 0 | 10 | 10 | 23 | 9 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | CT: Bolton | 30 |
46 | Spencer Machacek | R | 13 | 2 | 7 | 9 | 7 | 8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Lethbridge | 22 |
36 | Mark Flood | D | 33 | 3 | 4 | 7 | 10 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | PEI: Charlottetown | 26 |
49 | Ben Maxwell 2 | C | 9 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: North Vancouver | 23 |
17 | Eric Fehr | C | 35 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 12 | -6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MAN: Winkler | 25 |
24 | Grant Clitsome 3 | D | 12 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 8 | -3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Gloucester | 26 |
12 | Randy Jones | D | 39 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 8 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NB: Quispamsis | 30 |
25 | Brett MacLean | L | 5 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: London | 22 |
31 | Ondrej Pavelec | G | 68 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Czech Rep.: Kladno | 24 |
Mark Scheifele | C | 7 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Kitchener | 18 | |
41 | Jason Jaffray | L | 13 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 7 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Rimbey | 30 |
34 | Peter Mannino | G | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MI: Farmington Hills | 27 |
7 | Derek Meech | D | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | MAN: Winnipeg | 27 |
38 | Paul Postma | D | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Red Deer | 22 |
53 | Brett Festerling | D | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Prince George | 25 |
48 | Carl Klingberg | L | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Sweden: Gothenburg | 20 |
21 | Aaron Gagnon | F | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | BC: Quesnel | 25 |
23 | Kenndal McArdle | L | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | -3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ONT: Toronto | 24 |
44 | Arturs Kulda | D | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Latvia: Riga | 23 |
28 | Patrice Cormier | C | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | NB: Moncton | 21 |
50 | Chris Mason | G | 20 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ALTA: Red Deer | 35 |
Totals | 221 | 382 | 603 | 901 |
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Player Name | GP | Min | GA | GAA | W | L | T | Svs | Pct | EN | SO |
Peter Mannino | 1 | 20 | 0 | 0.00 | 4 | 1.000 | 1 | 0 | |||
Chris Mason | 20 | 995 | 43 | 2.59 | 8 | 7 | 1 | 379 | 0.898 | 0 | 2 |
Ondrej Pavelec | 68 | 3932 | 191 | 2.91 | 29 | 28 | 9 | 1845 | 0.906 | 7 | 4 |
The Jets couldn't protect Ruskowski. He wasn't their property.
This is incorrect - what do you mean not their property? They could protect 2 skaters and 2 goaltenders...Lukowich and Campbell, and Gary Smith and Markus Mattson. Preston, Ruskowski and the others had to be surrendered. Here was the conditions:
As part of the agreement, the NHL treated the WHA teams' arrival as an expansion rather than an outright merger. The former WHA clubs were stripped of most of their players, and NHL teams were given the right to reclaim players from the WHA clubs without compensation. As a concession for being stripped of most of their players, the former WHA clubs were permitted to keep two goaltenders and two skaters. The four former WHA teams were also placed at the end of the draft order for the 1979 NHL Entry Draft, as opposed to previous and future NHL expansion teams, which had been placed at or very near the front of the draft order.
Little different then how Vegas was treated
You are indeed correct and I overstated Ruskoski's availability to be a "priority selection" and thus have his NHL rights voided by the merger agreement.
With that said, Ruskowski was drafted in the NHL by the Chicago Blackhawks. He was their property but yes priority selection status could have changed that. Not sure where my head was at when I first posted but likely due to his barely being a Jet in the first place, having been one of four players that included Rich Preston, Morris Lukowich & Scott Campbell that came over from the Houston Aeros when their franchise folded two months before the final WHA season began.
The point of my OP was how bad the 78-79 Jets were, despite being the Avco Cup winner, they & the league were a shadow of their former glory. Someone had stated that the Jets were robbed of their talent, but there was little talent, almost the entire 78-79 team was out of pro hockey within two years of the merger.
With only two skaters to be protected and only four players worth protecting, Kent Nilsson, Morris Lukowich, Terry Ruskowski & Scott Campbell the Jets rolled the dice and lost. Campbell at 21 years of age was a 9th overall NHL selection and 1st overall in the WHA draft. He was a no brainer. Sadly breathing is an important aspect of hockey and chronic asthma had in in retirement by 25.
The poster I responded to claimed Ruskowski "was the heart and soul of the Jets". The recent 40 year anniversary had a good portion of that team back in town, with the focus being how divided the room was being comprised of the Winnipeg Jets & the Houston Aeros, two teams that hated each other. I'd hardly call any of the Aeros players the "heart & soul" of that team. Regardless Aeros Ruskowski & Lukowich were undoubtably two of the three best forwards.
The error however was never Ruskowski failing to be chosen as a priority selection as opposed to Lukowich.
It has always been the failure to have used one of those two selections on the "Magic Man" Kent Neilson who went on to be one of the best players of his generation.
This is incorrect - what do you mean not their property? They could protect 2 skaters and 2 goaltenders...Lukowich and Campbell, and Gary Smith and Markus Mattson. Preston, Ruskowski and the others had to be surrendered. Here was the conditions:
As part of the agreement, the NHL treated the WHA teams' arrival as an expansion rather than an outright merger. The former WHA clubs were stripped of most of their players, and NHL teams were given the right to reclaim players from the WHA clubs without compensation. As a concession for being stripped of most of their players, the former WHA clubs were permitted to keep two goaltenders and two skaters. The four former WHA teams were also placed at the end of the draft order for the 1979 NHL Entry Draft, as opposed to previous and future NHL expansion teams, which had been placed at or very near the front of the draft order.
Little different then how Vegas was treated
I think a lot of people forget how far we have come.
2011-12 Winnipeg Jets roster and statistics
Head Coach: Claude Noel (37-35-0-10)
Assistant Coach: Pascal Vincent
Assistant Coach: Charlie Huddy
Goalie Coach: Wade Flaherty
Video Coach: Tony Borgford
View photo gallery [38 photos of 38 players]
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Regular Season Playoffs Vitals # Player Name Pos. GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM Birthplace Age 26 Blake Wheeler R 80 17 47 64 55 3 -- -- -- -- -- MN: Plymouth 25 9 Evander Kane L 74 30 27 57 53 11 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Vancouver 20 33 Dustin Byfuglien D 66 12 41 53 72 -8 -- -- -- -- -- MN: Roseau 26 16 Andrew Ladd L 82 28 22 50 64 -8 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Maple Ridge 25 13 Kyle Wellwood C 77 18 29 47 4 3 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Windsor 28 18 Bryan Little C 74 24 22 46 26 -11 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Edmonton 23 80 Nikolai Antropov R 69 15 20 35 42 0 -- -- -- -- -- Kazakhstan: Ust-Kamenogorsk 31 39 Tobias Enstrom D 62 6 27 33 38 6 -- -- -- -- -- Sweden: Nordingra 26 4 Zach Bogosian D 65 5 25 30 71 -3 -- -- -- -- -- NY: Massena 21 8 Alexander Burmistrov C 76 13 15 28 42 4 -- -- -- -- -- Russia: Kazan 19 14 Tim Stapleton R 63 11 16 27 10 -2 -- -- -- -- -- IL: Forest Park 29 19 Jim Slater C 78 13 8 21 42 -9 -- -- -- -- -- MI: Lapeer 28 15 Tanner Glass L 78 5 11 16 73 -12 -- -- -- -- -- SASK: Regina 27 5 Mark Stuart D 80 3 11 14 98 -4 -- -- -- -- -- MN: Rochester 27 20 Antti Miettinen L 45 5 8 13 0 -5 -- -- -- -- -- Finland: Hameenlinna 31 29 Johnny Oduya 1 D 63 2 11 13 33 -9 -- -- -- -- -- Sweden: Stockholm 29 22 Chris Thorburn R 72 4 7 11 83 -6 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Sault Ste. Marie 28 6 Ron Hainsey D 56 0 10 10 23 9 -- -- -- -- -- CT: Bolton 30 46 Spencer Machacek R 13 2 7 9 7 8 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Lethbridge 22 36 Mark Flood D 33 3 4 7 10 -1 -- -- -- -- -- PEI: Charlottetown 26 49 Ben Maxwell 2 C 9 1 4 5 0 3 -- -- -- -- -- BC: North Vancouver 23 17 Eric Fehr C 35 2 1 3 12 -6 -- -- -- -- -- MAN: Winkler 25 24 Grant Clitsome 3 D 12 0 3 3 8 -3 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Gloucester 26 12 Randy Jones D 39 1 1 2 8 4 -- -- -- -- -- NB: Quispamsis 30 25 Brett MacLean L 5 0 2 2 2 1 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: London 22 31 Ondrej Pavelec G 68 0 2 2 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- Czech Rep.: Kladno 24 Mark Scheifele C 7 1 0 1 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Kitchener 18 41 Jason Jaffray L 13 0 1 1 7 -1 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Rimbey 30 34 Peter Mannino G 1 0 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- MI: Farmington Hills 27 7 Derek Meech D 2 0 0 0 4 1 -- -- -- -- -- MAN: Winnipeg 27 38 Paul Postma D 3 0 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Red Deer 22 53 Brett Festerling D 5 0 0 0 2 -1 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Prince George 25 48 Carl Klingberg L 6 0 0 0 4 -1 -- -- -- -- -- Sweden: Gothenburg 20 21 Aaron Gagnon F 7 0 0 0 0 -1 -- -- -- -- -- BC: Quesnel 25 23 Kenndal McArdle L 9 0 0 0 4 -3 -- -- -- -- -- ONT: Toronto 24 44 Arturs Kulda D 9 0 0 0 4 3 -- -- -- -- -- Latvia: Riga 23 28 Patrice Cormier C 9 0 0 0 0 1 -- -- -- -- -- NB: Moncton 21 50 Chris Mason G 20 0 0 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- ALTA: Red Deer 35 Totals 221 382 603 901
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Goalies Player Name GP Min GA GAA W L T Svs Pct EN SO Peter Mannino 1 20 0 0.00 4 1.000 1 0 Chris Mason 20 995 43 2.59 8 7 1 379 0.898 0 2 Ondrej Pavelec 68 3932 191 2.91 29 28 9 1845 0.906 7 4
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