Winnipeg Jets going into the 24/25 season

[Eyeseeing]

That’s good stuff. Did Donald help you come up the nicknames?

Shots fired

Again

 

[voyageur]

The truth of the matter is that over the next number of years the Jets will likely need a number of their young players to be able to play C. Whether full time or part time it will be needed as injuries happen and our two most important C are on the wrong side of 30 and there is no telling when either or both play could really drop off. Hopefully it won't be for a while but it's not a given that they will be able to maintain strong at through their mid 30's.

I'd say they are still on the right side of 30. 34 was the dropoff age for Wheeler. But it will come sooner than later. Lambert, Yager, Zhilkin and Julien could be your centers by that point.

 

[RetroWinnipeg]

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[DRW204]

I keep hearing talk of how its "basically the same roster" whenever the media asks the players about the upcoming season and expectations, and sometimes they bring up missing Dillon, but nobody has really talked about the loss of Brossoit lately.

Just switching from Bro (927 sv% over 23 games) to Kahkonen (898 sv% over half a season) is potentially a huge problem compared to last season. Granted its a luxury having a 1B goalie as your backup to a perennial Vezina candidate, and Kahkonen played on some bad teams for a good chunk of games, but the difference between a 927 and even a 910 is like 15 goals over a third of a season, or enough to chalk up 5-6 more losses in what were previously close game Ws.

This training camp is going to be more interesting than usual with seeing how the backup G battle shakes out, and come down to how well the young guys step in to fill spots, otherwise we could be looking at a significant step back this season that not a lot of people see coming. Throw in Arnie and a new coaching staff and I think expectations might be a bit overzealous.

i think most teams or fans are accustomed to the back-up goaltender usually being a turnstile of guys over the years. & usually they're up and down. brossoit coming into last year never had a b2b 0.900+ SV% season for example. even the first time Brossoit signed in 18-19 - the year prior he had a 0.883 sv% back when the league average was 0.908. he posted a 0.925 for the Jets (and fell below 0.900 the following year).

looking at Kahkonen, i think him putting up a 0.898 (which was league average last year) on one of the all-time worst teams shows perhaps some semblance of potential. his non-Sharks years iirc he was ~0.908 which was Brossoit's career sv% coming into last year.

the back-up is playing 20ish games here & almost never in the POs so i think that's why they do not really talk about the loss of a back-up goalie.

at the end of the day, they lost 2 "every-day" players, 1 being a third pair D which is lower on a team's importance and replaced with Colin Miller who the analytics guys usually like. I don't like the loss of Dillon, however, Samberg has played high level in a 3rd pair role & i think it'd behoove the team to see if he has top-4 potential. I think he can have similar results to Dillon, although may not be similar traits to him (ie: the toughness or physicality) but we will have to wait and see.

all in all though, i think given the usual cap crunch teams face each year and whatnot, id lean towards the Jets having v minimal turnover compared to their team to start 23-24

 

[PhilJets]

LETS GO JETS!!! new season, hope the team makes it pass the first round this time

Forward group looking good
goalie nahhhh

Priority is a Defenseman, i think Jets needs a couple high end pieces here. Hopefully Samberg steps up his game to another level. And the Heinola , would be good on the Power PLAY?

 

[ERYX]

LETS GO JETS!!! new season, hope the team makes it pass the first round this time

Forward group looking good
goalie nahhhh

Priority is a Defenseman, i think Jets needs a couple high end pieces here. Hopefully Samberg steps up his game to another level. And the Heinola , would be good on the Power PLAY?

Love the positivity.

I'd consider making it past the first round of the playoffs a successful season. We'll see what happens ... I'm not excited or getting hopes up at all, just going to take and enjoy games as they come the year. If the Jets poop the bed in the first round again (or don't even make it), meh. If they get past the first round that's gravy.

 

[surixon]

Love the positivity.

I'd consider making it past the first round of the playoffs a successful season. We'll see what happens ... I'm not excited or getting hopes up at all, just going to take and enjoy games as they come the year. If the Jets poop the bed in the first round again (or don't even make it), meh. If they get past the first round that's gravy.

Agreed, this group needs to get in and win a round for me to count it as a successful campaign.

 

[WolfHouse]

Read the Buff agent article on IC... yeah he's a 'cool' guy but man did he ever f*** over the team by saying he'd play five years and always only planning for three.

 

[surixon]

Read the Buff agent article on IC... yeah he's a 'cool' guy but man did he ever f*** over the team by saying he'd play five years and always only planning for three.

Wow, did they org know of this or where they caught completely off guard?

Edit: He apparently even caught his own agent off-guard. Can't look that good on his agent for not understanding his clients actual wishes and shame on Buff for signing a deal he wasn't committed to honoring.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Wow, did they org know of this or where they caught completely off guard?

Edit: He apparently even caught his own agent off-guard. Can't look that good on his agent for not understanding his clients actual wishes and shame on Buff for signing a deal he wasn't committed to honoring.

Well, we'll just have to refer to him going forward as Rutger McByfuglien.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wow, did they org know of this or where they caught completely off guard?

Edit: He apparently even caught his own agent off-guard. Can't look that good on his agent for not understanding his clients actual wishes and shame on Buff for signing a deal he wasn't committed to honoring.

Seems he was pretty up front about it. Shame on his agent AND Jets for not paying attention.

 

[DRW204]

Seems he was pretty up front about it. Shame on his agent AND Jets for not paying attention.

Yeah i got the impression from the interview clip that Buff told everyone he didn't want to play 5 more years.

Also what came out of the interview was that his injury was hockey related. IIRC there was some back and forth whether it was hockey related or not.

 

[Heldig]

Wow, did they org know of this or where they caught completely off guard?

Edit: He apparently even caught his own agent off-guard. Can't look that good on his agent for not understanding his clients actual wishes and shame on Buff for signing a deal he wasn't committed to honoring.

He retired and did not take the last 2 years of money. It was shocking and disappointing to us fans but you have to think Chevy knew more than we did.

 

[surixon]

He retired and did not take the last 2 years of money. It was shocking and disappointing to us fans but you have to think Chevy knew more than we did.

Well he certainly didn't go out and acquire cover for him leaving that summer. Also Buff did show up for camp that year and then just upped and quit.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Also Buff did show up for camp that year and then just upped and quit.

That's my recollection as well. Didn't him showing up and then retiring leave his massive cap hit on our books for the year?

 

[surixon]

That's my recollection as well. Didn't him showing up and then retiring leave his massive cap hit on our books for the year?

Yes because it took half the year to get it terminated as it was grieved by the PA.

 

[Eyeseeing]

With the terrible loss of Monahan’s best friend Johnny , it’s an odd break for the Jets as Sean was so devastated that it’s hard to gauge his future play with everything he is going through.
Totally feel terrible for him.

 

[Moloch]

With the terrible loss of Monahan’s best friend Johnny , it’s an odd break for the Jets as Sean was so devastated that it’s hard to gauge his future play with everything he is going through.
Totally feel terrible for him.

Could also light a fire under him.

 

[voyageur]

With the terrible loss of Monahan’s best friend Johnny , it’s an odd break for the Jets as Sean was so devastated that it’s hard to gauge his future play with everything he is going through.
Totally feel terrible for him.

Neal Pionk lost his best friend, last year, in an even more tragic way...on the ice. He stayed professional. I would expect Monahan to do the same.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Grief is not measurable or predictable.
I would hope Monahan can navigate the near future with a lot of support.

 

[DRW204]

Neal Pionk lost his best friend, last year, in an even more tragic way...on the ice. He stayed professional. I would expect Monahan to do the same.

in an even more tragic way..... wow. what a statement to make.

getting into a dick measuring contest of who suffered more between people you don't even know is quite something.

 

[voyageur]

in an even more tragic way..... wow. what a statement to make.

getting into a dick measuring contest of who suffered more between people you don't even know is quite something.

Take it as you will accidents happen every single day. Sometimes it's a plane crash. Motorcycle accident. Car accident. People commit suicide every day. How many people die from a skate blade to the throat lacerating them while playing hockey? That's a freak accident that spooked a lot of people. Changed safety in the game.

I didn't measure suffering, I just spoke about how well Neal Pionk dealt with tragedy. Didn't miss a game. Still gets no respect. I think Johnny Gaudreau's death will leave a bigger mark on the league, probably the biggest star to pass away in his prime. I don't know any hockey players personally so I don't get into feelings for them, as I responded to.

 

[Moloch]

When will we see player portraits for 2024/25?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Barring any more injuries, we now know pretty much the roster we will have for the opening game. We even know pretty much what the lineup for that game will be. Only Kupari and Fleury are a little uncertain.

How do people really feel about this team for the regular season? PO is a separate discussion, as we have seen the last couple of years.

I look back at a 4th place finish, and at having flirted with 1st OA for a while and feel some optimism. But then I think of losing Brossoit and Dillon. That could = the loss of 10 games compared to last year, especially if Helle is even slightly less than Vezina calibre. 10 fewer wins gives us 90 pts. That misses the PO.

So ceiling of President's Trophy and floor of high draft pick. And I really don't know where to predict on that scale. I guess cautious optimism for the time being.

 

[ps241]

Barring any more injuries, we now know pretty much the roster we will have for the opening game. We even know pretty much what the lineup for that game will be. Only Kupari and Fleury are a little uncertain.

How do people really feel about this team for the regular season? PO is a separate discussion, as we have seen the last couple of years.

I look back at a 4th place finish, and at having flirted with 1st OA for a while and feel some optimism. But then I think of losing Brossoit and Dillon. That could = the loss of 10 games compared to last year, especially if Helle is even slightly less than Vezina calibre. 10 fewer wins gives us 90 pts. That misses the PO.

So ceiling of President's Trophy and floor of high draft pick. And I really don't know where to predict on that scale. I guess cautious optimism for the time being.

If I had a bit more talent I would get a prediction thread (poll) started now that we are ready to get our season started. Not sure how to do polls though.

My poll categories would be (106 points or greater, 100-105, 93-99, sub 93). If someone would insert a poll I would start the thread.