Winnipeg Attendance

[GMR]

It would be funny if Bettman moved the team to Phoenix.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

According to the Florida Panthers season tickets website full season plans....Upper centre tix at their arena as low as $21 per game 903 per season

Florida Panthers - New Sales

panthers.c1ms.com

According to Winnipeg Jets website those same upper deck centre Ice tickets are $67 a ticket. Tickets | Winnipeg Jets | Winnipeg Jets


so I guess Skidooboy.com knows more than you do about ticket prices?


ps I never said "Average price per ticket was $20" so stop strawmanning me.

LOL...that site you used was from 2017. Way to go.

 

[Skidooboy]

LOL...that site you used was from 2017. Way to go.

wow….multitasking again…

not sure how the panthers website led me to the 2017 season….
must have miss-clicked a link….

ok still tix are 47 us.
vs 67 in Canada plus higher taxes.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Tiny % of corporate seats and a downturn in the market will disproportionately affect small market teams.

Jets appear to be trying to focus on the gameday experience (which as a former ST holder, has been terrible) is a good sign. They should also be trying everything to get corporate support which is a lot better at withstanding market effects than individual people, particularly in a small, middle-class type city like Winnipeg.

Team is not in any real danger, but TNSE have to switch strategies, they got greedy with automatic sell-outs without even trying for the 1st 10 years.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

An article came out yesterday indicating the team has the first increase in STH figures since the first sell-off, stemming the downward spiral. Apparently they had 95%+ retention of last year’s STHs, too. It’s amazing what happens when you keep prices reasonable and don't jack up the price as much as the STH contract allows!

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Winnipeg is not far from putting it all together and making a good cup run

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Winnipeg is not far from putting it all together and making a good cup run

Gotta hurt that the Jets consistently put out a better on-ice product than certain big-market teams. One in particular.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

It would be funny if Bettman moved the team to Phoenix.

Where else would you move it?










Until Jets 1.0 is in every U.S market at least once the the sports brokers won't be happy

 

[kylbaz]

Winnipeg is not far from putting it all together and making a good cup run

Funny because when we re-signed Helle and Scheif all we heard was how stupid it was because we should be rebuilding. Chibrikov, Lambert, Yager, Heinola, Salomonsson. We're going to be okay.


Regarding attendance. The front office F'd it right up by not doing anything for ticket holders. They treated fans like they are lucky to have a team people are going to line up to be a season ticket holder. Gave them no perks, no appreciation. Add increased prices and STH lost interest. True North scrambling to fix the problem now.

 

[Johnny HFBOARDS]

Funny because when we re-signed Helle and Scheif all we heard was how stupid it was because we should be rebuilding. Chibrikov, Lambert, Yager, Heinola, Salomonsson. We're going to be okay.


Regarding attendance. The front office F'd it right up by not doing anything for ticket holders. They treated fans like they are lucky to have a team people are going to line up to be a season ticket holder. Gave them no perks, no appreciation. Add increased prices and STH lost interest. True North scrambling to fix the problem now.

Sounds like a problem that only $0.50 draft night can fix.... oh wait

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

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Ah...still just pulling random numbers. Here's your simple math. Florida and Winnipeg apparently make the same.

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Also, no idea where you get your ticket pricing. Do you just spin some wheel and put down what it lands on??

Your post does nothing but prove Winnipegs revenue is fine and comparable with teams that have much larger arenas that you seem to think are necessary. Jets aren't leaving Winnipeg, period.

You can spend whatever you want but there were tons of tickets on Stub Hub for $25 (American) last year. Just because you want to use Ticketmaster doesn't mean there aren't other tickets out there for cheaper

Those tickets on stub hub were already purchased at full price with revenue going to the Winnipeg Jets. Try again.

 

[sena]

Your post does nothing but prove Winnipegs revenue is fine and comparable with teams that have much larger arenas that you seem to think are necessary. Jets aren't leaving Winnipeg, period.


Those tickets on stub hub were already purchased at full price with revenue going to the Winnipeg Jets. Try again.

the jets are given millions a year in cash for gambling from machines, they have crazy tax breaks and they still struggle. Its not really fine

 

[tucker3434]

Winnipeg is fine. They’re aren’t going anywhere. But when people wonder why QC doesn’t get a team, it’s this. It’s a complete myth that small market Canada is high floor.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

What even is this thread. Lol.

Jets will never leave Winnipeg. I hope they never sell out again. Cap at 13000 seats sold forever to drive the haters crazy in this thread. So good!

 

[RestlessYoungZero]

the jets are given millions a year in cash for gambling from machines, they have crazy tax breaks and they still struggle. Its not really fine

This has nothing to do with the post you quoted. Don't like Jets getting money from those machines at Shark Club (which is owned and operated by the Jets ownership group) then don't go there, its not hard. What about all the tax breaks pretty much all large corporations get to entice them to setup shop in cities/provinces/states, for shit low paying jobs only to hide their profits in tax shelters overseas.

Jets aren't leaving. This thread is nothing but people that always like to shit on Winnipeg.

 

[tarheelhockey]

wow….multitasking again…

not sure how the panthers website led me to the 2017 season….
must have miss-clicked a link….

ok still tix are 47 us.
vs 67 in Canada plus higher taxes.

Assuming you’re talking CAD vs USD, that exactly the same price.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

apparently not

I went to a lot of the Gen X era games, I came for the maximum effort and zero talent, but stayed for the booze and tradition of it all.

We convinced ourself Ramzi Abid would break out and they'll all be fools.

Then the same for Rico Fata...but hey there's a lot that would keep showing up. The Jets' issue is they had 15k regularly going, covid happened, then when they opened it back up, like most teams they had a dip, then 14k and then down to 13k which isn't good at all. Not sure what happened, how much were the tickets jacked up from 2019-20 to 2023-24? There's a lot of factors.

Jets had decent attendance. They hit capacity at 15,100-15,300, for 6 straight seasons they regularly hit 15k. They've dropped ticket prices 10% this year. They don't really have bad pricing either, not a massive rip off like Canucks games or anything (absolute shit arena, does that Aquiloser slob ever want to upgrade the seats in that dump?).

 

[Honour Over Glory]

the jets are given millions a year in cash for gambling from machines, they have crazy tax breaks and they still struggle. Its not really fine

From 2011-2020 they were hitting on average 15,000+ and I don't think you understand that the struggles aren't even remotely bad. Just not good for business when you aren't hitting at what you were consistently hitting for 9 years straight.

Capacity is 15,321 - at worst in that span they were hitting 97% capacity, at best 103% over capacity (went over 100% twice in that span).

2020-21 - Covid season, zero attendance league wide.
2021-22 - Attendance down for a lot, missed playoffs and hit 83% capacity.
2022-23 - 92% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1.
2023-24 - 88% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1
2024-25 - So far, 90% Capacity.

So yeah, it's over blown. The issue for the Jets is they need a new arena that's able to fit more fans and a better facility. They have the lowest Capacity in the league.

Devils were the next one to them at 16,514, but it's now Utah for now at 16,200 vs 15,321 - Utah being new without a proper NHL type arena having 879 more for capacity is a bad look on the Jets. For some insanely deep pocketed owners, wtf were they thinking? Zero faith in being able to fill it beyond that? They were proven wrong and still didn't make any adjustments or plans to rectify it.

I will argue for the Jets that their attendance is blow out of proportion.

Utah btw is at 11,131.

Which might look bad right now but it's double what Arizona did at College rinks where they couldn't even fill those to capacity. They'll grow.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

From 2011-2020 they were hitting on average 15,000+ and I don't think you understand that the struggles aren't even remotely bad. Just not good for business when you aren't hitting at what you were consistently hitting for 9 years straight.

Capacity is 15,321 - at worst in that span they were hitting 97% capacity, at best 103% over capacity (went over 100% twice in that span).

2020-21 - Covid season, zero attendance league wide.
2021-22 - Attendance down for a lot, missed playoffs and hit 83% capacity.
2022-23 - 92% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1.
2023-24 - 88% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1
2024-25 - So far, 90% Capacity.

So yeah, it's over blown. The issue for the Jets is they need a new arena that's able to fit more fans and a better facility. They have the lowest Capacity in the league.

Devils were the next one to them at 16,514, but it's now Utah for now at 16,200 vs 15,321 - Utah being new without a proper NHL type arena having 879 more for capacity is a bad look on the Jets. For some insanely deep pocketed owners, wtf were they thinking? Zero faith in being able to fill it beyond that? They were proven wrong and still didn't make any adjustments or plans to rectify it.

I will argue for the Jets that their attendance is blow out of proportion.

Utah btw is at 11,131.

Which might look bad right now but it's double what Arizona did at College rinks where they couldn't even fill those to capacity. They'll grow.

I can see why there is some concern if the team went from

92% capacity for a 95 point team
To
88% capacity for a 110 point team


Not that I believe the franchise is going anywhere, but I think those saying the topic doesn’t merit discussion are off base.

 

[Bank Shot]

It's Winnipeg... This is supposed to be a NFL like market for Hockey I was told. Ottawa being on this list is dissapointing too but they are between Toronto and Montreal.

Well there are only 800k people there. Not sure what you are expecting. Lol.

$20 million less than Denver which has a pop of 4 million to draw on.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Your post does nothing but prove Winnipegs revenue is fine and comparable with teams that have much larger arenas that you seem to think are necessary. Jets aren't leaving Winnipeg, period.


Those tickets on stub hub were already purchased at full price with revenue going to the Winnipeg Jets. Try again.

I've said repeatedly that the Jets will be fine. I've never said they were leaving and don't believe they will. The person I was posting with doesn't think sunbelt teams have any interest in hockey and make any money. I just found it humorous that, once his team (temporarily) struggles, everything is just fine.

Welcome to the conversation

 

[TheLegend]

It would be funny if Bettman moved the team to Phoenix.

Nothing is coming to Arizona until there's a bonafide arena and ownership group in hand. And Despite what Frank Seravalli thinks that isn't happening for quite a while.

NHL half-assed the Coyotes entry into Arizona and spent the next 28 years applying half-assed fixes.

 

[TheLegend]

From 2011-2020 they were hitting on average 15,000+ and I don't think you understand that the struggles aren't even remotely bad. Just not good for business when you aren't hitting at what you were consistently hitting for 9 years straight.

Capacity is 15,321 - at worst in that span they were hitting 97% capacity, at best 103% over capacity (went over 100% twice in that span).

2020-21 - Covid season, zero attendance league wide.
2021-22 - Attendance down for a lot, missed playoffs and hit 83% capacity.
2022-23 - 92% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1.
2023-24 - 88% Capacity - Lost in Rd 1
2024-25 - So far, 90% Capacity.

So yeah, it's over blown. The issue for the Jets is they need a new arena that's able to fit more fans and a better facility. They have the lowest Capacity in the league.

Devils were the next one to them at 16,514, but it's now Utah for now at 16,200 vs 15,321 - Utah being new without a proper NHL type arena having 879 more for capacity is a bad look on the Jets. For some insanely deep pocketed owners, wtf were they thinking? Zero faith in being able to fill it beyond that? They were proven wrong and still didn't make any adjustments or plans to rectify it.

I will argue for the Jets that their attendance is blow out of proportion.

Utah btw is at 11,131.

Which might look bad right now but it's double what Arizona did at College rinks where they couldn't even fill those to capacity. They'll grow.

I agree the situation with the Jets is currently getting blown out of proportion.... just want to clear a couple of things......

Arizona was officially sold out for every game for both seasons at Mullett Arena. While the arena had an overall capacity of 5300, NHL game overhead dropped that to just 4700. Not going to argue here over "empty seat pics" here.... doesn't matter.

What matters is their ticket revenue was actually higher for both seasons at Mullett than the final year out in Glendale, where (I think) the average attendance was somewhere around 11,300 (down from the mid-13K). (this is on memory and I'm not looking it up for this)

Seems too good to be true, right?? The league confirmed the numbers.

BUT....... here's the other side to that..... he Coyotes got next to zero revenue outside of tickets sales. 1/2 concessions on game days plus merch sales, but no parking, in arena hard ads, suites, etc. That all went to ASU.

In a nutshell...... it was worse that bad. Even with Alex Meruelo eating most of the losses.

Re Utah: The ironic thing about Utah is there are some similarities with when the Coyotes arrived in Arizona. Delta Center is built a lot like Footprint Center in Phoenix is and that led to the current situation with the obstructed seating.

However over the next two years they will be opening up one of the ends of Delta Center and build out the lower bowl, Then finish up the all the other items in year three. Final expected capacity for hockey will be around 17,500.

 

[JianYang]

Winnipeg is fine. They’re aren’t going anywhere. But when people wonder why QC doesn’t get a team, it’s this. It’s a complete myth that small market Canada is high floor.

The economy is cyclical and when times are down, the smaller markets within Canada traditionally feel the squeeze first.

The love and passion for the game won't stand on its own.