Rumor: Wings taking calls on Bertuzzi

[cupcrazyman]

Yah Wings have turned a corner with Raymond and Seider arriving they should be keeping Bertuzzi not looking to trade him.

Maybe trade him after a few years of building back & becoming a contender,

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I wonder is Minnesota would be willing to deal Rossi for him

He was supposedly not on the table for Eichel, so I would guess not. Our board would know I wouldn't want him.

I mean Yzerman is looking for a slightly upgraded Mantha deal because Bertuzzi is an upgraded asset on him, though less cost certainty than Mantha so maybe that isn't the front office picture on this.

I am willing to sell Bertuzzi or Hronek, but Yzerman has to get these returns right and I would hope there is some sort of free agency component to the build at that point. I get moving the last couple of asset items that should grant a big return and moving forward with Larkin, Seider, Ramond etc... but it is a dangerous deal. Bertuzzi is extremely popular in the room and he is a guy that gives everything on the ice, the reaction to this won't be the same as when he moved Mantha.

 

[habsfan44]

You said something about when Detroit heads to the country south of them?
Isn't that South America?

Mexico .

 

[SirKillalot]

The Kings are not going to sacrifice Kempe at the expense of trading for Bertuzzi. They're most likely going to re-sign Lemieux and possibly Edler. It wouldn't surprise me if they re-signed Brown on a one-year deal. Basically, at the ask from Detroit (if what I've been reading here is even ballpark) would not be of interest to the Kings. Bertuzzi is a good player, but just not a big enough need for the Kings to make the trade.

They are not gonna sacrifice Kempe. They still have the money to re-sign him.
Right now I believe have around $1.2M in cap space while fully healthy

With these coming off the books.

D. Brown $5.875M
A. Athanasiou $2.7M
J. Carter $2.636M (retained salary off books)
A. Kempe $2.0M
B. Lemieux $1.55M
B. Lizotte $0.8M
L. Andersson $0.874M
C. Grundstrom $0.725M

A. Edler $3.5M
O. Maatta $3.33M
M. Anderson $0.925M
S. Durzi $0.809M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Total: $26.474M of the books
Cap Space around $27.674M

With also:
V. Tkachev $0.925M
G. Vilardi $0.894M


Now let's say they give these deals:
A. Kempe $5.5M - 4/5 years
B. Lemieux $1.75M - 2 years
B. Lizotte $1.250M - 2 years
G. Vilardi $1.250M - 2 years
C. Grundstrom $0.9M
L. Andersson $0.9M
G. Vilardi $0.9M

A. Elder $3.5M - 1 year
M. Anderson $1.5M
S. Durzi $1.2M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Still not signed:
D. Brown
A. Athanasiou

Cap space before signings: $27.674M
Cap space after signings: $7.974M

Trade for Bertuzzi at $4.75M

Cap space after getting Bertuzzi: $2.324M

Now, all of the values won't be correct, some will be more and some less of course. I don't have the full overview of how much/less they value all guys and who much each player would demand. I put some intentionally higher just for the sake of it.

If they gonna re-sign Dustin Brown he either way has to take a heavy pay cut.
They would prefer trading for Bertuzzi than re-signing Athanasiou.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

They are not gonna sacrifice Kempe. They still have the money to re-sign him.
Right now I believe have around $1.2M in cap space while fully healthy

With these coming off the books.

D. Brown $5.875M
A. Athanasiou $2.7M
J. Carter $2.636M (retained salary off books)
A. Kempe $2.0M
B. Lemieux $1.55M
B. Lizotte $0.8M
L. Andersson $0.874M
C. Grundstrom $0.725M

A. Edler $3.5M
O. Maatta $3.33M
M. Anderson $0.925M
S. Durzi $0.809M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Total: $26.474M of the books
Cap Space around $27.674M

With also:
V. Tkachev $0.925M
G. Vilardi $0.894M


Now let's say they give these deals:
A. Kempe $5.5M - 4/5 years
B. Lemieux $1.75M - 2 years
B. Lizotte $1.250M - 2 years
G. Vilardi $1.250M - 2 years
C. Grundstrom $0.9M
L. Andersson $0.9M
G. Vilardi $0.9M

A. Elder $3.5M - 1 year
M. Anderson $1.5M
S. Durzi $1.2M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Still not signed:
D. Brown
A. Athanasiou

Cap space before signings: $27.674M
Cap space after signings: $7.974M

Trade for Bertuzzi at $4.75M

Cap space after getting Bertuzzi: $2.324M

Now, all of the values won't be correct, some will be more and some less of course. I don't have the full overview of how much/less they value all guys and who much each player would demand. I put some intentionally higher just for the sake of it.

If they gonna re-sign Dustin Brown he either way has to take a heavy pay cut.
They would prefer trading for Bertuzzi than re-signing Athanasiou.

Dude Bertuzzi is around a point per game this year. Do you really think he signs for 4.75 mil?

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Reasons a U.S. team even in the Pacific Division would be interested in Bertuzzi:

A) He can contribute in a top six role to making the playoffs this season.

B) No one knows yet who will play who in the playoffs, it could easily be Vegas or as a WC vs. a U.S. based team in the first round. Potential Conference final and SC final opponents are probably U.S. based teams. Teams don't spend assets at the TDL thinking they are only going to play one round. Ill-advisedly or not, they are thinking of trying to win a SC.

C) The acquiring team is probably not giving up any top six players to acquire Bertuzzi, so even a lineup without him in Canada for 2-4 games would default to what they have now.

D) There is a possibility travel restrictions could be lifted by the time playoffs begin.

E) Acquiring team gets a player who even without retention would be a bargain, for 1.5 seasons, the final full season in all likelihood without Vax travel restrictions.

F) Acquiring team would have the inside track on keeping Bertuzzi long-term.

Reasons why Detroit would be willing to trade him at the TDL:

A) Only if SY already knows what Bertuzzi is going to want long-term, and doesn't want to pay it.

B) Only for an obvious over-payment; otherwise it makes no sense not to wait until summer when the number of interested teams should be much greater and Bertuzzi's Vax status could be no longer a hindrance to his asset value.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If only he was allowed to play in Canada because he might be the shot in the arm tha ourt 2nd line DESPERATELY needs

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If only he was allowed to play in Canada because he might be the shot in the arm tha ourt 2nd line DESPERATELY needs

This whole vaxx mandate is a royal joke, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada because he's not vaxxed. Yet Canadian teams had the most man hours lost due to Covid. So yeah those shots worked out really well. And since Bertuzzi has had Covid his body now has a stronger immunity against it.

 

[Tender Rip]

As a Pens fan I don't care much about his anti-vax thing, at least not from a "possible acquisition" perspective, as even if we went really far, the "risk" of actually meeting a Canadian team in the playoffs would be very low. Better still if that brings down the costs - at least if you are from any other division than the Metro, the argument would mean more... well, I suppose the Central would be about the same or close.

He'd fit our needs very well too, on any wing for Geno or for Sid's RW to move Rust down to Geno, and for a guy with another very affordable year, we should be willing to pony up quite a bit. Other teams have better prospects, of course, but I suppose it would come down to what Yzerman would value and see in those of our roster players who could be available also.

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

Bertuzzi doesn't have nearly the same allure as Mantha did.

Doesn't hurt to shop him, but I would bet good money Bertuzzi doesn't receive close to what Mantha brought back if he is traded.

Bertuzzi is the better player. Mantha is and always has been very overrated

 

[TropicOfNoReturn]

Huh? PPG players who would be signed for like $2M for two years after retention and play a gritty game are available every year? Yet players who were averaging just at or above 0.5ppg at time of trade with brutal defensive game are super rare?

Going to have to explain that one better

He thinks Mantha has more value because he was a 1st round pick and had a huge world juniors eight years ago. And because he's big.

I don't think his take has anything to do with how the players actually play on the ice

 

[SirKillalot]

Dude Bertuzzi is around a point per game this year. Do you really think he signs for 4.75 mil?

Maybe you should check before commenting.
Bertuzzi is already on a $4.75M contract out 2022/23-season.

Would he demand a good amount salary raise after this? For sure looking likely.
But, until that time they could get two possible playoff run opportunities, season their young guys a bit to see who they go for long-term and figure out if Bertuzzi would fit their long-term plan on ice and cap wise.

Yes, there would be a risk of losing him on the UFA market in the summer of 2023.

 

[Guitpik]

They are not gonna sacrifice Kempe. They still have the money to re-sign him.
Right now I believe have around $1.2M in cap space while fully healthy

With these coming off the books.

D. Brown $5.875M
A. Athanasiou $2.7M
J. Carter $2.636M (retained salary off books)
A. Kempe $2.0M
B. Lemieux $1.55M
B. Lizotte $0.8M
L. Andersson $0.874M
C. Grundstrom $0.725M

A. Edler $3.5M
O. Maatta $3.33M
M. Anderson $0.925M
S. Durzi $0.809M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Total: $26.474M of the books
Cap Space around $27.674M

With also:
V. Tkachev $0.925M
G. Vilardi $0.894M


Now let's say they give these deals:
A. Kempe $5.5M - 4/5 years
B. Lemieux $1.75M - 2 years
B. Lizotte $1.250M - 2 years
G. Vilardi $1.250M - 2 years
C. Grundstrom $0.9M
L. Andersson $0.9M
G. Vilardi $0.9M

A. Elder $3.5M - 1 year
M. Anderson $1.5M
S. Durzi $1.2M
J. Moverare $0.750M

Still not signed:
D. Brown
A. Athanasiou

Cap space before signings: $27.674M
Cap space after signings: $7.974M

Trade for Bertuzzi at $4.75M

Cap space after getting Bertuzzi: $2.324M

Now, all of the values won't be correct, some will be more and some less of course. I don't have the full overview of how much/less they value all guys and who much each player would demand. I put some intentionally higher just for the sake of it.

If they gonna re-sign Dustin Brown he either way has to take a heavy pay cut.
They would prefer trading for Bertuzzi than re-signing Athanasiou.

And at the end of all that, the Kings will be trading for more glaring needs than another forward, which they have plenty coming up.

 

[Guitpik]

Dude Bertuzzi is around a point per game this year. Do you really think he signs for 4.75 mil?

He has one year after this until UFA. Then he's going to get paid. That's why the Kings are not a destination when they have other more glaring needs.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

As a Pens fan I don't care much about his anti-vax thing, at least not from a "possible acquisition" perspective, as even if we went really far, the "risk" of actually meeting a Canadian team in the playoffs would be very low. Better still if that brings down the costs - at least if you are from any other division than the Metro, the argument would mean more... well, I suppose the Central would be about the same or close.

He'd fit our needs very well too, on any wing for Geno or for Sid's RW to move Rust down to Geno, and for a guy with another very affordable year, we should be willing to pony up quite a bit. Other teams have better prospects, of course, but I suppose it would come down to what Yzerman would value and see in those of our roster players who could be available also.

I'd ask for a future 1st to be honest.

2023 or 2024 1st
Blomqvist
Petterson

For

Bertuzzi