Rumor: Wings taking calls on Bertuzzi
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He was supposedly not on the table for Eichel, so I would guess not. Our board would know I wouldn't want him.
I mean Yzerman is looking for a slightly upgraded Mantha deal because Bertuzzi is an upgraded asset on him, though less cost certainty than Mantha so maybe that isn't the front office picture on this.
I am willing to sell Bertuzzi or Hronek, but Yzerman has to get these returns right and I would hope there is some sort of free agency component to the build at that point. I get moving the last couple of asset items that should grant a big return and moving forward with Larkin, Seider, Ramond etc... but it is a dangerous deal. Bertuzzi is extremely popular in the room and he is a guy that gives everything on the ice, the reaction to this won't be the same as when he moved Mantha.
SirKillalot
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They are not gonna sacrifice Kempe. They still have the money to re-sign him.
Right now I believe have around $1.2M in cap space while fully healthy
With these coming off the books.
D. Brown $5.875M
A. Athanasiou $2.7M
J. Carter $2.636M (retained salary off books)
A. Kempe $2.0M
B. Lemieux $1.55M
B. Lizotte $0.8M
L. Andersson $0.874M
C. Grundstrom $0.725M
A. Edler $3.5M
O. Maatta $3.33M
M. Anderson $0.925M
S. Durzi $0.809M
J. Moverare $0.750M
Total: $26.474M of the books
Cap Space around $27.674M
With also:
V. Tkachev $0.925M
G. Vilardi $0.894M
Now let's say they give these deals:
A. Kempe $5.5M - 4/5 years
B. Lemieux $1.75M - 2 years
B. Lizotte $1.250M - 2 years
G. Vilardi $1.250M - 2 years
C. Grundstrom $0.9M
L. Andersson $0.9M
G. Vilardi $0.9M
A. Elder $3.5M - 1 year
M. Anderson $1.5M
S. Durzi $1.2M
J. Moverare $0.750M
Still not signed:
D. Brown
A. Athanasiou
Cap space before signings: $27.674M
Cap space after signings: $7.974M
Trade for Bertuzzi at $4.75M
Cap space after getting Bertuzzi: $2.324M
Now, all of the values won't be correct, some will be more and some less of course. I don't have the full overview of how much/less they value all guys and who much each player would demand. I put some intentionally higher just for the sake of it.
If they gonna re-sign Dustin Brown he either way has to take a heavy pay cut.
They would prefer trading for Bertuzzi than re-signing Athanasiou.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Dude Bertuzzi is around a point per game this year. Do you really think he signs for 4.75 mil?
Reasons a U.S. team even in the Pacific Division would be interested in Bertuzzi:
A) He can contribute in a top six role to making the playoffs this season.
B) No one knows yet who will play who in the playoffs, it could easily be Vegas or as a WC vs. a U.S. based team in the first round. Potential Conference final and SC final opponents are probably U.S. based teams. Teams don't spend assets at the TDL thinking they are only going to play one round. Ill-advisedly or not, they are thinking of trying to win a SC.
C) The acquiring team is probably not giving up any top six players to acquire Bertuzzi, so even a lineup without him in Canada for 2-4 games would default to what they have now.
D) There is a possibility travel restrictions could be lifted by the time playoffs begin.
E) Acquiring team gets a player who even without retention would be a bargain, for 1.5 seasons, the final full season in all likelihood without Vax travel restrictions.
F) Acquiring team would have the inside track on keeping Bertuzzi long-term.
Reasons why Detroit would be willing to trade him at the TDL:
A) Only if SY already knows what Bertuzzi is going to want long-term, and doesn't want to pay it.
B) Only for an obvious over-payment; otherwise it makes no sense not to wait until summer when the number of interested teams should be much greater and Bertuzzi's Vax status could be no longer a hindrance to his asset value.
A) He can contribute in a top six role to making the playoffs this season.
B) No one knows yet who will play who in the playoffs, it could easily be Vegas or as a WC vs. a U.S. based team in the first round. Potential Conference final and SC final opponents are probably U.S. based teams. Teams don't spend assets at the TDL thinking they are only going to play one round. Ill-advisedly or not, they are thinking of trying to win a SC.
C) The acquiring team is probably not giving up any top six players to acquire Bertuzzi, so even a lineup without him in Canada for 2-4 games would default to what they have now.
D) There is a possibility travel restrictions could be lifted by the time playoffs begin.
E) Acquiring team gets a player who even without retention would be a bargain, for 1.5 seasons, the final full season in all likelihood without Vax travel restrictions.
F) Acquiring team would have the inside track on keeping Bertuzzi long-term.
Reasons why Detroit would be willing to trade him at the TDL:
A) Only if SY already knows what Bertuzzi is going to want long-term, and doesn't want to pay it.
B) Only for an obvious over-payment; otherwise it makes no sense not to wait until summer when the number of interested teams should be much greater and Bertuzzi's Vax status could be no longer a hindrance to his asset value.
If only he was allowed to play in Canada because he might be the shot in the arm tha ourt 2nd line DESPERATELY needs
Number1RedWingsFan52
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This whole vaxx mandate is a royal joke, Bertuzzi can't play in Canada because he's not vaxxed. Yet Canadian teams had the most man hours lost due to Covid. So yeah those shots worked out really well. And since Bertuzzi has had Covid his body now has a stronger immunity against it.
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As a Pens fan I don't care much about his anti-vax thing, at least not from a "possible acquisition" perspective, as even if we went really far, the "risk" of actually meeting a Canadian team in the playoffs would be very low. Better still if that brings down the costs - at least if you are from any other division than the Metro, the argument would mean more... well, I suppose the Central would be about the same or close.
He'd fit our needs very well too, on any wing for Geno or for Sid's RW to move Rust down to Geno, and for a guy with another very affordable year, we should be willing to pony up quite a bit. Other teams have better prospects, of course, but I suppose it would come down to what Yzerman would value and see in those of our roster players who could be available also.
He'd fit our needs very well too, on any wing for Geno or for Sid's RW to move Rust down to Geno, and for a guy with another very affordable year, we should be willing to pony up quite a bit. Other teams have better prospects, of course, but I suppose it would come down to what Yzerman would value and see in those of our roster players who could be available also.
TropicOfNoReturn
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Bertuzzi is the better player. Mantha is and always has been very overrated
TropicOfNoReturn
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He thinks Mantha has more value because he was a 1st round pick and had a huge world juniors eight years ago. And because he's big.
I don't think his take has anything to do with how the players actually play on the ice
SirKillalot
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Maybe you should check before commenting.
Bertuzzi is already on a $4.75M contract out 2022/23-season.
Would he demand a good amount salary raise after this? For sure looking likely.
But, until that time they could get two possible playoff run opportunities, season their young guys a bit to see who they go for long-term and figure out if Bertuzzi would fit their long-term plan on ice and cap wise.
Yes, there would be a risk of losing him on the UFA market in the summer of 2023.
Guitpik
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And at the end of all that, the Kings will be trading for more glaring needs than another forward, which they have plenty coming up.
Guitpik
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He has one year after this until UFA. Then he's going to get paid. That's why the Kings are not a destination when they have other more glaring needs.
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I'd ask for a future 1st to be honest.
2023 or 2024 1st
Blomqvist
Petterson
For
Bertuzzi
