Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[lilidk]

Finally our swedish boys playing today. Wonder when AnJo will come over, Kiiskennen doesn't play lately.

 

[Go Wings]

Another move yzer'bashers ignore is moving up to pick cossa while everybody cried he didnt take walstedt , master class in dynasty building

Although I like Cossa and wanted him over Walstedt it remains to be seen who is going to end up the better goalie in their career.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Another move yzer'bashers ignore is moving up to pick cossa while everybody cried he didnt take walstedt , master class in dynasty building

Nobody ignores it. Most of us "yzer'bashers" agree that his drafting has been quite good. It's everything else that has been terrible. Once again, drafting isn't enough to build a good team. It simply is not.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Nobody ignores it. Most of us "yzer'bashers" agree that his drafting has been quite good. It's everything else that has been terrible. Once again, drafting isn't enough to build a good team. It simply is not.

I think his trading overall has been a plus. Outside of the Walman trade which is an obvious disaster. I just really find the pro scouting and team building to be the most suspect things. I really question what they are trying to build with a lot of the players they add.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I think his trading overall has been a plus. Outside of the Walman trade which is an obvious disaster. I just really find the pro scouting and team building to be the most suspect things. I really question what they are trying to build with a lot of the players they add.

Trading in florida, Tampa and Dallas has been a plus. It’s simply been middle of the road in Detroit. The only Truly noteworthy trade has been a 1st, Sebrango and Kubalik for Debrincat.
He had to trade Bertuzzi to get that first though.

Leddy for a 2nd was inconsequential. Then trading Leddy for sundqvist, Walman and a 2nd is inconsequential.
Trading Hronek hurt the team in the now. It might work out well in the future if ASP becomes a top 4 guy.
Walman was a loss at the end. He gave up a 2nd Detroit that was given in the Kiiskanen trade. THEN Walman returned a 1st when he was just traded by Sjc.
Trading Husso for space should have happened last offseason.
Veleno for Craig Smith and Mrazek isn’t going to get the team in the postseason.
Fabbri for De La Rose was ok depth for a couple of years but it never really got the team anywhere.
Maatta for a 3rd actively hurt this roster by making us endure Gustafsson.
Mantha for Vrana was mostly a wash, and depends on how well Cossa becomes to declare a win.
Then there’s assets used to trade up for Cossa getting Dallas 2 very good players…
What other trades am I missing?

Let’s also consider that Yzerman has not made moves to improve the team via trade the last two seasons when it’s likely some moves would have gotten the team into the playoffs.

With enough hindsight we can say that Yzerman has been shit at trades (and the lack thereof) and his FA signings have been atrocious. He's drafted well. We need more than that.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Trading in florida, Tampa and Dallas has been a plus. It’s simply been middle of the road in Detroit. The only Truly noteworthy trade has been a 1st, Sebrango and Kubalik for Debrincat.
He had to trade Bertuzzi to get that first though.

Leddy for a 2nd was inconsequential. Then trading Leddy for sundqvist, Walman and a 2nd is inconsequential.
Trading Hronek hurt the team in the now. It might work out well in the future if ASP becomes a top 4 guy.
Walman was a loss at the end. He gave up a 2nd Detroit that was given in the Kiiskanen trade. THEN Walman returned a 1st when he was just traded by Sjc.
Trading Husso for space should have happened last offseason.
Veleno for Craig Smith and Mrazek isn’t going to get the team in the postseason.
Fabbri for De La Rose was ok depth for a couple of years but it never really got the team anywhere.
Maatta for a 3rd actively hurt this roster by making us endure Gustafsson.
Mantha for Vrana was mostly a wash, and depends on how well Cossa becomes to declare a win.
Then there’s assets used to trade up for Cossa getting Dallas 2 very good players…
What other trades am I missing?

Let’s also consider that Yzerman has not made moves to improve the team via trade the last two seasons when it’s likely some moves would have gotten the team into the playoffs.

With enough hindsight we can say that Yzerman has been shit at trades (and the lack thereof) and his FA signings have been atrocious. He's drafted well. We need more than that.

Great post. Agree w all.

 

[deca guard]

nhl gms cant come out and say improving too much too soon in a rebuild era cost you very important draft position so you resist offering better ufa big contracts that cost you long term cap space while also causing you to draft in a weaker spot which obviously might possibly seriously detract from long term success . so even though ive said this over n over the crying continues about yzermans signing , so lets deal in facts :

2021 : cry baby wing fans would have been ecstatic if yzerman signed dougie hamilton n zack zyman , but oh whoops there woulda went the 5th pick as we woulda finished better and drafted like 10th so NO EDVINSSON TODAY , but over the hill hamilton n zack would be here to get crushed in 1st or 2nd round

2022 : cry baby fans woulda loved signing trochek , johnny hockey , kadri . but gosh darn there goes kasper . mean while trochek n kadri over the hill by now !!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead weve got edvinsson n kasper for 20 years !!!!!!!

but keep thinking you know better than steve dynasty builder yzerman

 

[saska sault]

nhl gms cant come out and say improving too much too soon in a rebuild era cost you very important draft position so you resist offering better ufa big contracts that cost you long term cap space while also causing you to draft in a weaker spot which obviously might possibly seriously detract from long term success . so even though ive said this over n over the crying continues about yzermans signing , so lets deal in facts :

2021 : cry baby wing fans would have been ecstatic if yzerman signed dougie hamilton n zack zyman , but oh whoops there woulda went the 5th pick as we woulda finished better and drafted like 10th so NO EDVINSSON TODAY , but over the hill hamilton n zack would be here to get crushed in 1st or 2nd round

2022 : cry baby fans woulda loved signing trochek , johnny hockey , kadri . but gosh darn there goes kasper . mean while trochek n kadri over the hill by now !!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead weve got edvinsson n kasper for 20 years !!!!!!!

but keep thinking you know better than steve dynasty builder yzerman

I admire your passion in this post.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

nhl gms cant come out and say improving too much too soon in a rebuild era cost you very important draft position so you resist offering better ufa big contracts that cost you long term cap space while also causing you to draft in a weaker spot which obviously might possibly seriously detract from long term success . so even though ive said this over n over the crying continues about yzermans signing , so lets deal in facts :

2021 : cry baby wing fans would have been ecstatic if yzerman signed dougie hamilton n zack zyman , but oh whoops there woulda went the 5th pick as we woulda finished better and drafted like 10th so NO EDVINSSON TODAY , but over the hill hamilton n zack would be here to get crushed in 1st or 2nd round

2022 : cry baby fans woulda loved signing trochek , johnny hockey , kadri . but gosh darn there goes kasper . mean while trochek n kadri over the hill by now !!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead weve got edvinsson n kasper for 20 years !!!!!!!

but keep thinking you know better than steve dynasty builder yzerman

Spot on. And another thing that is annoying from the "shoulda signed this guy or that guy" crowd: Maybe coveted FAs just did not want to come here?! cannot kidnap'em. And if you overpay egregiously to get them here those same ppl throw a hissy fit that we overpaid - schizo.

 

[lilidk]

I believe Buchelnikov season is over

 

[schuelma24]

I believe Buchelnikov season is over

yup. no record. Still a great year. Would be awesome if we got him over ASAP...

 

[schuelma24]

ASP with 2 assists and MBN with a goal today in their 2nd playoff game.

 

[suovas]

ASP with 2 assists and MBN with a goal today in their 2nd playoff game.

3 assists actually by ASP in the first period. Two more periods to be played. And MBN will start 2nd period in the penalty box for charging, showing there's a bit of mean streak in him.

 

[Pavels Dog]

ASP playing incredible lately.

 

[wingerdinger]

3 assists actually by ASP in the first period. Two more periods to be played. And MBN will start 2nd period in the penalty box for charging, showing there's a bit of mean streak in him.

I know a lot of people are disappointed with this season and Yzerman in particular. Im not that bothered because I didnt like the moves we made in the offseason. But Steve's drafting has been spectacular and to a large extent that is the game.

I still have faith in the Yzerplan and I do think we need to stay the course.

 

[deca guard]

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[deca guard]

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[Holden Caufield]

Plante had a massive breakout season.

I think you could say all five of Plante, ASP, Buchelnikov, Finnie and Kiiskinen had breakout seasons well above any expectations heading into the year.

 

[deca guard]

Plante had a massive breakout season.

I think you could say all five of Plante, ASP, Buchelnikov, Finnie and Kiiskinen had breakout seasons week above any expectations heading into the year.

ive seen a bunch of finnie streams and hes had many a dominant power forward drives , real quick thinker n hustler

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Mckeens' has 2 Red Wing prospects in the top 5 Euro prospects and an honourable mention. Without looking, who do you think they are?

 

[wingerdinger]

ASP and Buchelnikov in the top 5, with Kiiskinen as the honourable?

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Super weird that ASP wasn't even the top honorable mention. Just like kinda in the middle of the pack.

 

[Lampedampe]

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Had no idea his shot was that lethal, some real snipes from in tight aswell.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Super weird that ASP wasn't even the top honorable mention. Just like kinda in the middle of the pack.

Calling 29 points in the SHL as a U20 player "solid" just shows how clueless they are. That's 2 points from the all-time points record, and he beat the all-time goals record. Made history being named best WJC d-man two years in a row.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Mckeens' has 2 Red Wing prospects in the top 5 Euro prospects and an honourable mention. Without looking, who do you think they are?

Very obvious KHL and liiga bias by the writer.