Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[heyfolks]

Iv been saying that I like him more than Danielson or MBN for example for a while now, still we don't know yet what Buchelnikov, Plante, Lombardi and some others could become. It's too early to say

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

 

[lilidk]

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

Veleno, Rasmussen, Kasper and Mazur all power forwards. How many more do you need. Rasmussen net front was bread and butter in juniors, don't know why Lalonde didn't use him that way. Veleno , playing with Kasper seems much better, who doesn't. Kasper is just like Larkin makes everyone better around him.
MBN and Danielson are definitely potential NHL ers, but they are not game breakers . ASP could be just third pair and PP specialist, but his potential similar to Raymond or like everyone else compare him to rafalski.

 

[heyfolks]

Veleno, Rasmussen, Kasper and Mazur all power forwards. How many more do you need. Rasmussen net front was bread and butter in juniors, don't know why Lalonde didn't use him that way. Veleno , playing with Kasper seems much better, who doesn't. Kasper is just like Larkin makes everyone better around him.
MBN and Danielson are definitely potential NHL ers, but they are not game breakers . ASP could be just third pair and PP specialist, but his potential similar to Raymond or like everyone else compare him to rafalski.

A power forward in the NHL is a player with a combination of physical strength, offensive skills, and puck-handling ability:

• Physical strength
  Power forwards are typically larger than other forwards and are hard to knock off the puck. They are also strong enough to create scoring chances and win one-on-one battles.
• Offensive skills
  Power forwards are often well-above average offensive playmakers. They have the skill to snipe the puck into the top corner of the net.
• Puck-handling
  Power forwards are able to handle the puck well and dig it out of the corners.
• Willingness to fight
  Power forwards are willing to engage in fights when they feel it's necessary, but they don't seek them out like enforcers.
• Forechecking
  Power forwards have strong forechecking skills.

Some examples of power forwards in the NHL include:

• Alexander Ovechkin: Considered by many to be one of the greatest goal scorers in NHL history
• Jamie Benn: A big name power forward in the NHL
  
• Blake Wheeler: A big name power forward in the NHL
  
• Aleksander Barkov: A big name power forward in the NHL
  
• Josh Anderson: A 6'3", 226 lb player who uses his size to impose his will on opponents
  
  

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

Danielson is definitely showing more playmaking chops than I thought he originally had in his draft year. Portland was a bit of an awakening for me. And now seeing him in Grand Rapids, he's showing a lot of pass-first tendencies. I think in Portland it was more his role that predicated his playmaking. In Grand Rapids I think it's more because he's still VERY light and is kept more to the perimeter so he's putting in work. I still think Danielson's shot is good enough to net 30 in an NHL season if he shoots more.

 

[newfy]

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I dont see how you watch ASP make all those tight space little plays and think the big sheet is the reason. Hes a great directional skater, with his top speed being a little lesser compared to his agile skating ability. His skating should be more beneficial on small ice compared to the big ice right now too. That should help his defensive game more.

That assist on Swedens first goal yesterday is an example of the quick, little plays he makes in tight space all the time that wont magically disappear on smaller ice

 

[lilidk]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I dont see how you watch ASP make all those tight space little plays and think the big sheet is the reason. Hes a great directional skater, with his top speed being a little lesser compared to his agile skating ability. His skating should be more beneficial on small ice compared to the big ice right now too. That should help his defensive game more.

That assist on Swedens first goal yesterday is an example of the quick, little plays he makes in tight space all the time that wont magically disappear on smaller ice

Most importantly , he is extremely hockey smart and not many Red Wings have it

 

[ShanahanMan]

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

Both are heavily underperforming this year. Danielson has a whole 3 goals in his D+2, and MBN has been a non factor.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Both are heavily underperforming this year. Danielson has a whole 3 goals in his D+2, and MBN has been a non factor.

Saying MBN has been a "non-factor" is downright disingenuous. "Both are heavily underperforming"... How? What are they doing on the ice that makes you say that? Can you elaborate on that further?

You haven't been able to and you won't elaborate because you've watched zero minutes of either guy play. Even the most pessimistic Wings fan who's watched as much as you wouldn't be parroting these narratives

 

[ShanahanMan]

Saying MBN has been a "non-factor" is downright disingenuous. "Both are heavily underperforming"... How? What are they doing on the ice that makes you say that? Can you elaborate on that further?

You haven't been able to and you won't elaborate because you've watched zero minutes of either guy play. Even the most pessimistic Wings fan who's watched as much as you wouldn't be parroting these narratives

I’ll give you that MBN has hit a lot of points or passed to guys who couldn’t bury their chances. Still, I think we can agree more production would have been expected.

With Danielson, I actually do watch a fair amount of GR and while he’s getting some assists, he doesn’t look super confident with the puck, and seems to turn it over a lot. For a guy drafted at 8, and looking at the guys taken around him like Dvorsky and Leonard, he’s massively underperforming.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Saying MBN has been a "non-factor" is downright disingenuous. "Both are heavily underperforming"... How? What are they doing on the ice that makes you say that? Can you elaborate on that further?

You haven't been able to and you won't elaborate because you've watched zero minutes of either guy play. Even the most pessimistic Wings fan who's watched as much as you wouldn't be parroting these narratives

He's like a Monty Python parody of Robin Hood.. Aims for the apple on top of someone's head but has killed 27 consecutive volunteers in 27 different villages.

EDIIT:: I'm a bad shot too,, it was that William Tell guy who split the apple!

 

[norrisnick]

He's like a Monty Python parody of Robin Hood.. Aims for the apple on top of someone's head but has killed 27 consecutive volunteers in 27 different villages.

William Tell.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

William Tell.

Right!

 

[lilidk]

I’ll give you that MBN has hit a lot of points or passed to guys who couldn’t bury their chances. Still, I think we can agree more production would have been expected.

With Danielson, I actually do watch a fair amount of GR and while he’s getting some assists, he doesn’t look super confident with the puck, and seems to turn it over a lot. For a guy drafted at 8, and looking at the guys taken around him like Dvorsky and Leonard, he’s massively underperforming.

Danielson needs to get stronger

 

[Our Lady Peace]

I’ll give you that MBN has hit a lot of points or passed to guys who couldn’t bury their chances. Still, I think we can agree more production would have been expected.

With Danielson, I actually do watch a fair amount of GR and while he’s getting some assists, he doesn’t look super confident with the puck, and seems to turn it over a lot. For a guy drafted at 8, and looking at the guys taken around him like Dvorsky and Leonard, he’s massively underperforming.

I think MBN is doing excellent with his play and production. He's gotten unlucky a lot but that's what it is. It's not about all the points. He's got plenty of legit tools and smarts that will take him a long way in the NHL

Danielson is still raw offensively and that's always been his case. I've been critical of parts of his offensive zone game myself in GR, but he's still doing a lot of the right things. He's clearly been getting the feel for pro-hockey and there's nothing wrong with that. There's been games he flies around trying to create but then again his teammates this season are largely AHL fodder and just don't have the skill to feed him or finishing his plays. Watson is his best linemate

"Underperforming" to me would be if both of our guys looked absolutely lost out there. Like Dvorsky did in his 10 SHL games early last season. There's some big red flags with that player to me. Leonard is awesome, but I think we can really complain when players get drafted ahead


Edit: forgot word

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Both Nate and MBN are playing well and positive factors in some way for their teams almost every game. Danielson will get stronger,, MBN's shooting pct will go up.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

MBN is ultra-toolsy and does eye popping stuff every game. Are we really mad that the 15th overall pick might need until he's 21 or so? Not exactly a disaster.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I’ll give you that MBN has hit a lot of points or passed to guys who couldn’t bury their chances. Still, I think we can agree more production would have been expected.

With Danielson, I actually do watch a fair amount of GR and while he’s getting some assists, he doesn’t look super confident with the puck, and seems to turn it over a lot. For a guy drafted at 8, and looking at the guys taken around him like Dvorsky and Leonard, he’s massively underperforming.

Cole Eiserman wouldn't sniff a 4th line in the SHL. What MBN is doing so far is pretty good. I expect him to get even better as the season progresses, because the games I've watched from September to now all I've seen is him getting better incrementally.

Also, CENTER Nate Danielson is doing as well or better than WINGER Dalibor Dvorsky. He's cold the last 5 games but so is the whole damn Griffins team. I don't think you realize how low scoring the AHL really is. There are exactly 14 players that have played 20+ games that are above a point per game.

Ryan Leonard was drafted at #8 ahead of Danielson who was #9.

You need to actually watch the games and redefine what "massively underperforming" truly is.

 

[HoweFan]

Danielson needs to get stronger

I think that is why he is in GR and not Detroit. It will come

 

[schuelma24]

I can see from other's responses my ignore list is getting a workout. Keep up the good work guys!

 

[lilidk]

I think that is why he is in GR and not Detroit. It will come

What I like about him, he's trying to be line driver and one day he will

 

[heyfolks]

I’ll give you that MBN has hit a lot of points or passed to guys who couldn’t bury their chances. Still, I think we can agree more production would have been expected.

With Danielson, I actually do watch a fair amount of GR and while he’s getting some assists, he doesn’t look super confident with the puck, and seems to turn it over a lot. For a guy drafted at 8, and looking at the guys taken around him like Dvorsky and Leonard, he’s massively underperforming.

 

[Konnan511]

You and I see the game in diametric opposition to one another.

MBN = This kid is the power forward the Wings desperately need. He will be on the opening day roster next season and be a top 5 Calder candidate.

Danielson = The Adam Oates of his generation. Not sure what people DON'T see in the guy. Some want a player to be every darn thing, but those are rare beasts. This kid is going to, one day, replace Larkin as the #1 center.

ASP = (Preface this by saying I want to be wrong). I don't see his game translating to the NHL. The bigger sheet makes his game work. With bigger, stronger, players in N. America, I don't think he will be able to play defensive effectively at the the NHL level. He will end up a PP specialist. Does that work? I don't know. I hated the Zadina pick because he had a single stand out skill, shooting. If that didn't translate, he was toast.... He was toast. ASP is staying in Sweden to see if he can develop/adapt his game to play in N. America. D+2 still in Sweden, not excited about his chances.

Lol no.

 

[Konnan511]

Danielson is definitely showing more playmaking chops than I thought he originally had in his draft year. Portland was a bit of an awakening for me. And now seeing him in Grand Rapids, he's showing a lot of pass-first tendencies. I think in Portland it was more his role that predicated his playmaking. In Grand Rapids I think it's more because he's still VERY light and is kept more to the perimeter so he's putting in work. I still think Danielson's shot is good enough to net 30 in an NHL season if he shoots more.

I'll be ecstatic if he ever gets 20 goals in a season.

We've had 4 players over the last 15 years to net 30 goals. Danielson is not better than any of them. Hopefully he will be, but his scoring is not near any of them.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Cole Eiserman wouldn't sniff a 4th line in the SHL. What MBN is doing so far is pretty good. I expect him to get even better as the season progresses, because the games I've watched from September to now all I've seen is him getting better incrementally.

Also, CENTER Nate Danielson is doing as well or better than WINGER Dalibor Dvorsky. He's cold the last 5 games but so is the whole damn Griffins team. I don't think you realize how low scoring the AHL really is. There are exactly 14 players that have played 20+ games that are above a point per game.

Ryan Leonard was drafted at #8 ahead of Danielson who was #9.

You need to actually watch the games and redefine what "massively underperforming" truly is.

How is Danielson doing better than Dvorsky? Do you watch any of the games? Dvorsky is an elite offensive talent that would run circles around Danielson. Danielson is a “safe” defensive forward who’s slotted as a career 3rd line C.

 

[ricky0034]

How is Danielson doing better than Dvorsky? Do you watch any of the games? Dvorsky is an elite offensive talent that would run circles around Danielson. Danielson is a “safe” defensive forward who’s slotted as a career 3rd line C.

Dvorsky didn't do well in those 10 games he played 10 minutes a night in a year and a half ago in a league that Danielson has never played in so he sucks forever

you should really pay more attention to the memos