Prospect Info: Wings Prospect Discussion

[jaster]

12 goals in 12 games, along with some early Hobey talk.... and this guy wants to discuss a "downside" to his point totals

 

[RabidBadger]

#stillgettingoutscoredbya7throunderandmatchedbyanundraftedguyonhisownteam

You keep harping on that like it's somehow significant. When we signed Hirose did you troll Colorado fans because he finished with more points than Makar?

You must be stupified undrafted Ryan McCallister who is leading the NCAA in scoring wasn't drafted above Logan Cooley.

 

[ricky0034]

#oneofthemis25andtheotheroneisoldertoo

Besides, Mazur doesnt need to lead his team in points, we didnt draft him to be the next Zetterberg. The fact that he is putting up a great number of points (goal totals) as a sophmore is just the cherry on top.

perhaps he should start by leading his college team in points like Red Wings greats David Pope, Austin Czarnik,Taro Hirose,and Ryan Kuffner before we start comparing him to Zetterberg

12 goals in 12 games, along with some early Hobey talk.... and this guy wants to discuss a "downside" to his point totals

he also has 3 assists in 12 games, funny how nobody ever mentions that part

You keep harping on that like it's somehow significant. When we signed Hirose did you troll Colorado fans because he finished with more points than Makar?

You must be stupified undrafted Ryan McCallister who is leading the NCAA in scoring wasn't drafted above Logan Cooley.

position silliness aside I must have missed when Hirose and Makar were on the same team(or even in the same Conference)

 

[Frk It]

12 goals in 12 games, along with some early Hobey talk.... and this guy wants to discuss a "downside" to his point totals

Option A - Say I was wrong

Option B - Quadruple down on original take

HFBoards loves option B

 

[RabidBadger]

position silliness aside I must have missed when Hirose and Makar were on the same team(or even in the same Conference)

My bad. I didn't know the Ricky rules dictated we have to talk about teamates after you established the metric that total points matter.

You think being outscored by a lower drafted teamate and having too many goals as your point total are red flags? Right then. Position silliness indeed.

 

[RabidBadger]

Option A - Say I was wrong

Option B - Quadruple down on original take

HFBoards loves option B

You forgot option C) invent a new critique when option B is no longer viable. People love to move the goal posts when their initial hot take looks bad.

 

[ricky0034]

My bad. I didn't know the Ricky rules dictated we have to talk about teamates after you established the metric that total points matter. Talk about position silliness.

I mean....the post you quoted literally contains the words "on his own team"

it's about a quarter of a rather short post

 

[ricky0034]

You forgot option C) invent a new critique when option B is no longer viable. People love to move the goal posts when their initial hot take looks bad.

don't forget option D) create strawman arguments every time someone says something remotely negative about Carter Mazur even after intentionally baiting it out so you can continue circle jerking about how great he is

 

[RabidBadger]

don't forget option D) create strawman arguments every time someone says something remotely negative about Carter Mazur even after intentionally baiting it out so you can continue circle jerking about how great he is

Your use of strawman has delicious irony attached. Who here ever stated Mazur was "great" as you seem to think we are implying? Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?

 

[jkutswings]

We didn't get him for next Zetterburg , but for next Bertuzzi

But maybe he even blossoms into a Zettertuzzi! I mean, that many Z's in the name should be a win by itself.

 

[ricky0034]

Your use of strawman has delicious irony attached. Who here ever stated Mazur was "great" as you seem to think we are implying? Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?

ah yes the classic prospective bottom 6 player with hundreds of posts circle jerking about how great of a pick he was

people can say things without literally saying them, if people didn't think he was "great" half this thread wouldn't be posts arguing against the very idea that he could possibly not be

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

Your use of strawman has delicious irony attached. Who here ever stated Mazur was "great" as you seem to think we are implying? Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?

I am hopeful that he may develop into more tan a bottom 6 player. There is also the possibility that he doesn't even become a bottom 6 NHL player but he is certainly looking promising now. Certainly much more promising than almost all 3rd rounders a year and half after being drafted.

 

[norrisnick]

ah yes the classic prospective bottom 6 player with hundreds of posts circle jerking about how great of a pick he was

people can say things without literally saying them, if people didn't think he was "great" half this thread wouldn't be posts arguing against the very idea that he could possibly not be

Who wasn't picked at 70 that has you this hot and bothered?

 

[ricky0034]

Who wasn't picked at 70 that has you this hot and bothered?

honestly I don't even have anything against Carter Mazur and never really cared much about the pick one way or another even when he was drafted


but when half the thread is literally posts like this(and not even in response to anything!):

yEaH bUt kRiS dRaPeR

cArRiEd By LiNeMaTeS...

Don't forget that he's pushing 35 and playing amongst toddlers in the NCAA. #bullshitreasonswhymazurisawastedpick

I feel the need to push back on the silliness a bit

and as much as people want to retreat into their shell of "Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?" the response people consistently have to even the slightest bit of negativity towards the guy even when they were literally intentionally baiting it is very telling

 

[norrisnick]

honestly I don't even have anything against Carter Mazur and never really cared much about the pick one way or another even when he was drafted


but when half the thread is literally posts like this(and not even in response to anything!):





I feel the need to push back on the silliness a bit

and as much as people want to retreat into their shell of "Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?" the response people consistently have to even the slightest bit of negativity towards the guy even when they were literally intentionally baiting it is very telling

You feel the need to push back... against posts that are made by a need to push back. Got it.

 

[ricky0034]

You feel the need to push back... against posts that are made by a need to push back. Got it.

posts that are made by a need to push back against what?

the only time anyone even says a negative word about the guy at all is in direct response to nonsense like that

 

[RabidBadger]

I feel the need to push back on the silliness a bit

and as much as people want to retreat into their shell of "Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?" the response people consistently have to even the slightest bit of negativity towards the guy even when they were literally intentionally baiting it is very telling

I'm sorry, were you saying something? I was busy planning tonight's circle jerk with @jaster and @OgeeOgelthorpe . I just got the new edition of NCHC weekly with the Mazur centerfold.

 

[lilidk]

But maybe he even blossoms into a Zettertuzzi! I mean, that many Z's in the name should be a win by itself.

Or he never make it to NHL

 

[jaster]

Here's ricky today:

honestly I don't even have anything against Carter Mazur and never really cared much about the pick one way or another even when he was drafted

And here's ricky in the days after Mazur was drafted:

mixed feelings on the later rounds with a mix of liking some of the picks, being indifferent on others, and hating the Mazur pick

And later that year:

the Draper thing may be unwarranted at this point but this pick was also right on the heels of him literally picking his son the year before and we all know how that one turned out

So. Yeah. Not only was/is your take on this player embarrassingly awful, you're also not being honest about your take.

but when half the thread is literally posts like this(and not even in response to anything!):

and as much as people want to retreat into their shell of "Who even said he'd be more than a bottom 6 player?" the response people consistently have to even the slightest bit of negativity towards the guy even when they were literally intentionally baiting it is very telling

While we can all agree that you have the worst Mazur take on the board, that doesn't mean the rest of us exactly agree on how Mazur projects. And you get the response you do because seemingly any time anyone posts something positive about Mazur, typically in response to impressive things he's doing on the ice, you come slinking out of your corner to provide further embarrassing takes and throw cold water on the commentary. It's borderline cringey.

 

[norrisnick]

posts that are made by a need to push back against what?

the only time anyone even says a negative word about the guy at all is in direct response to nonsense like that

These posts aren't made in a vacuum. They are very clearly in response to silly criticisms of a 70th overall pick. If there is even a hint of maybe getting a cup of coffee, that's a win at 70.

 

[ricky0034]

Here's ricky today:


And here's ricky in the weeks after Mazur was drafted:


And later that year:


So. Yeah. Not only was/is your take on this player embarrassingly awful, you're also not being honest about your take.

While we can all agree that you have the worst Mazur take on the board, that doesn't mean the rest of us exactly agree on how Mazur projects. And you get the response you do because seemingly any time anyone posts something positive about Mazur, you come slinking out of your corner to provide further embarrassing takes and throw cold water on the commentary. It's borderline cringey.

hooray more strawmen

where did I say I didn't dislike the Mazur pick when he was drafted? I said I didn't care much about it

and that very post you just quoted is also in fact literally evidence that that is the case

here's the full post and not just the little footnote at the bottom of it that you quoted:

I like the Wings draft overall

I like Edvinsson, definitely wasn't my favorite Defenseman in the draft(arguably my least favorite of the big 4 guys actually) but Power was never hitting 6, Hughes didn't either, and i'm kinda torn between whether I like Clarke or Edvinsson more myself anyways and Clarke being on the right side is definitely a downside as far as the Wings are concerned, pretty high on all 4 of them and didn't really care for the forwards much this year so glad they ended up with one of them

I kinda viewed Cossa as being on the same level as Wallstedt anyways so i'm not upset that the Wings preferred him like some people are, i'm not big on Goalies in the first round in general but it being the second pick makes me much more okay with it(would have been pissed if the Wings grabbed a Goalie at 6)

i'm also a sucker for trading up and wish the Wings would do that more often in general


mixed feelings on the later rounds with a mix of liking some of the picks, being indifferent on others, and hating the Mazur pick but ultimately the first round is the one that matters

you'll also note that I voted "Happiness" in said threads poll about what emotion I felt towards the draft as a whole

as for the Draper thing I never once said that I shared those specific concerns about the Mazur pick just that they were understandable concerns for people to have

These posts aren't made in a vacuum. They are very clearly in response to silly criticisms of a 70th overall pick. If there is even a hint of maybe getting a cup of coffee, that's a win at 70.

comments people made literally a year and a half ago and haven't made since

that's pretty f***ing close to "a vacuum" at this point

 

[norrisnick]

comments people made literally a year and a half ago and haven't made since

that's pretty f***ing close to "a vacuum" at this point

You clearly made an impression.

I love pointing to a post where you explicitly state you hate the Mazur pick as somehow being evidence that you "didn't care much about it"

That takes brass ones.

 

[jaster]

hooray more strawmen

where did I say I didn't dislike the Mazur pick when he was drafted? I said I didn't care much about it

and that very post you just quoted is also in fact literally evidence that that is the case

here's the full post and not just the little footnote at the bottom of it that you quoted:



you'll also note that I voted "Happiness" in said threads poll about what emotion I felt towards the draft as a whole

as for the Draper thing I never once said that I shared those specific concerns about the Mazur pick just that they were understandable concerns for people to have

I see your incorrect usage of "strawman" persists lol. If nothing else, you're certainly stubborn.

But all this you just wrote is obfuscation, and frankly a pretty poor attempt at it. You literally said you hated the Mazur pick. I quoted you, but I guess you missed it. Here, I'll quote you again:

mixed feelings on the later rounds with a mix of liking some of the picks, being indifferent on others, and hating the Mazur pick

You hated the Mazur pick. Now go ahead, tell me again about how I'm using a strawman when I say that you hated the Mazur pick.

How you felt about the draft as a whole - irrelevant.

Saying in another place that you don't care about the Mazur pick (while also appearing in most Mazur conversations to poopoo him all the time)- irrelevant.

The "full post" I took your quote from that you reposted and does nothing to make your case - irrelevant.

As for Draper, sure, insist you don't care about that factor, despite your very numerous posts about it and how it's understandable that people (you, obviously) would dislike the Mazur pick. "People are saying...."

It's weird to double, triple, quadruple down on this shit take you have, while also refusing to own it when called out on it. Have some damn integrity at the very least.

 

[ricky0034]

I see your incorrect usage of "strawman" persists lol. If nothing else, you're certainly stubborn.

But all this you just wrote is obfuscation, and frankly a pretty poor attempt at it. You literally said you hated the Mazur pick. I quoted you, but I guess you missed it. Here, I'll quote you again:



You hated the Mazur pick. Now go ahead, tell me again about how I'm using a strawman when I say that you hated the Mazur pick.

How you felt about the draft as a whole - irrelevant.

Saying in another place that you don't care about the Mazur pick (while also appearing in most Mazur conversations to poopoo him all the time)- irrelevant.

The "full post" I took your quote from that you reposted and does nothing to make your case - irrelevant.

As for Draper, sure, insist you don't care about that factor, despite your very numerous posts about it and how it's understandable that people (you, obviously) would dislike the Mazur pick. "People are saying...."

It's weird to double, triple, quadruple down on this shit take you have, while also refusing to own it when called out on it. Have some damn integrity at the very least.

how exactly is how I felt about the draft as a whole "irrelevant" to how much I cared about the Mazur pick?

here's another post saying I had a "C" rating specifically for the non first rounds that draft even though Mazur was the 2nd highest non first round pick

too lazy to type it again so i'll just quote my post I made earlier on the main board:



as far as grades go i'd say somewhere in the neighborhood of a B+ for the 1st round and a C for the other rounds feels about right, which I guess i'd put at about a B overall

me "not caring much one way or another" about the Mazur pick is quite simply an objective truth that shows in my weighting however much you want to zero in on a literal single word of a 200 or so word post I made

 

[jaster]

how exactly is how I felt about the draft as a whole "irrelevant" to how much I cared about the Mazur pick?

I hate Cantaloupe.

But I love fruit as a whole.

Therefor, I have no feelings on cantaloupe.

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me "not caring much one way or another" about the Mazur pick is quite simply an objective truth that shows in my weighting however much you want to zero in on a literal single word of a 200 or so word post I made

Yeah, that's not how words work. You said of the later picks that you liked some, were indifferent on others, and hated one in particular. Assigning a cumulative grade of B or C or whatever (no one cares) doesn't change the one you singled out as hating.