Post-Game Talk: wing

[Circus86]

Gallant said yesterday that Kreider deserved to be on the 4th line based on performance. Why did Gallant play him in OT then? His words and actions contradict themselves.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What do people think Drury can do right now? First off, it would be bad to make a snap decision like 15 games in

But even if that wasn’t the case, they have no cap space to do anything. This is gonna be the team until Feb, so buckle up

 

[Circus86]

What do people think Drury can do right now? First off, it would be bad to make a snap decision like 15 games in

But even if that wasn’t the case, they have no cap space to do anything. This is gonna be the team until Feb, so buckle up

Yeah I don't think any changes are coming. Maybe at the TDL if we are in a spot to do so. But I suppose Drury could always look at a trade? Trading Reaves may not be such a bad idea. He is gone next season anyways and it would give us some space to improve D depth. Not sure there is a big market for Reaves currently tho and somehow I can't see us trading him.

 

[tomobson]

I've never liked playing one of the kids with Panarin. Kakko was able to produce last season on his short stint with that line but he looked nothing like the player we drafted. We also played some god awful teams during that stretch which helped with those points. He just went to the top of the net and stood there and that's what Laf does as soon as he enters the zone now on that line. I don't think the Laf issue has anything to do with him being on the RW but the fact that he's being forced to play a much different game on that line. I think it's time to stack the top line with Panarin/Mika/Kreider. Put Laf and Kakko with Trocheck.

 

[LionsHeart]

Gallant said yesterday that Kreider deserved to be on the 4th line based on performance. Why did Gallant play him in OT then? His words and actions contradict themselves.

That drove me nuts, especially when you have someone like Kakko who has earned the right to play in situations like the Powerplay and OT.

It also reminds some of these vets that there are kids like Kakko ready to take their spots if they don’t play better.

 

[CLW]

Lol I meant the 13-14 team

And to that effect I really do think it's just going to take a while for the right combinations to emerge. But more than anything, pucks need to start going in, and the goalies need to improve. Lundqvist had a tough start to that year, and Biron got retired. The zucc-brassard-pouliot line didn't get put together until late November iirc. Zuccarello was even scratched before that game I think.

Jmho but sometimes things have to go badly for them to improve. This team had a great season, but they needed to address A LOT of holes in their game and as much as we can think the rosters been pretty stable, Kakko and laf in top 6 roles is new and adds new elements that take time to acclimate. Trochek as well.

I could always be wrong but I think this team will come out of this for the better and be a much stronger contender than they were last season if they do.

I think so too, if they do. This is growing pains for players like Mika, Kreider and Panarin who are used to coast on individual brilliance, but also for the coaches, who are used to relying on individual brilliance rather than system.

This also goes back to what I said last season about *integrating the kids*. The stars, Mika and Panarin etc cannot just skate around "doing their thing" they have to adapt to the kids playing on their line to create effective lines. It goes both ways. This is where the coaching comes in, it's unfortunate that systems is the weakness of the current coaching staff. All of them need to grow. Coaches, stars, kids and supporting vets. It's a team game, the collective needs to cooperate.

Finally, I think things are not necessarily as bad as they look. The Rangers hit a rough patch with Mika, Kreider, Igor and Panarin looking a bit off sorts at the same time (Panarin has been back to perimeter habits lately). They are also sniffing their own farts as a team, they think they can just show up to the rink for the points but their opponents have different ideas.

Tampa is/was a power house because they have the nuts and bolts in place to play different styles as a team. The Rangers lack this mental spine to help them take care of chore business during the regular season. That's a fault of the coaches, but also mental laziness from the players/management.

 

[JHS]

Gallant said yesterday that Kreider deserved to be on the 4th line based on performance. Why did Gallant play him in OT then? His words and actions contradict themselves.

Becasue, when Kreider tries, he's the fstest guy on the ice by a lot and when it is 3 vs 3 with all th eopen ice you want speed and puck posession.

Guys if you are going to go after Gallant can you at least use arguments that are not immediately shot down. If you have the fastest guy on the ice on either team and don't use him that's terrible coaching. Gallant can't help that Kreider is simply refusing to engage with the game this year on basically every level.

 

[mas0764]

If they're that sticky about Lafreniere playing RW and they really think that's the issue, then it's time to drop Kreider.

A third-line checker and PP specialist is a nice little spot for Kreider at this stage.

This needs to happen. Developing Lafreniere is way more important than coddling Kreider. Put Lafreniere where he is most comfortable.

 

[JHS]

Yeah I don't think any changes are coming. Maybe at the TDL if we are in a spot to do so. But I suppose Drury could always look at a trade? Trading Reaves may not be such a bad idea. He is gone next season anyways and it would give us some space to improve D depth. Not sure there is a big market for Reaves currently tho and somehow I can't see us trading him.

I don't agree. I imagine, Jones, Hajak, Blais, Carpenter, or some minor league guys need to be considered as movable pieces. The Rangers don't have an unlimited window to make a run. Third and 4th line guys should be out there and the Rangers need to send a message loud and clear that coasting along are not acceptable.

 

[will1066]

 

[will1066]

I think so too, if they do. This is growing pains for players like Mika, Kreider and Panarin who are used to coast on individual brilliance, but also for the coaches, who are used to relying on individual brilliance rather than system.

This also goes back to what I said last season about *integrating the kids*. The stars, Mika and Panarin etc cannot just skate around "doing their thing" they have to adapt to the kids playing on their line to create effective lines. It goes both ways. This is where the coaching comes in, it's unfortunate that systems is the weakness of the current coaching staff. All of them need to grow. Coaches, stars, kids and supporting vets. It's a team game, the collective needs to cooperate.

Finally, I think things are not necessarily as bad as they look. The Rangers hit a rough patch with Mika, Kreider, Igor and Panarin looking a bit off sorts at the same time (Panarin has been back to perimeter habits lately). They are also sniffing their own farts as a team, they think they can just show up to the rink for the points but their opponents have different ideas.

Tampa is/was a power house because they have the nuts and bolts in place to play different styles as a team. The Rangers lack this mental spine to help them take care of chore business during the regular season. That's a fault of the coaches, but also mental laziness from the players/management.

I see what you did subliminally.

The team basically took the 2nd period off. Like you said, there's just a disinterest in doing what they need to do for 60 minutes, thinking they're entitled to win based on perceived uber-talent on paper and they're going to make the playoffs just because they made it to the ECF. It was only the third time they led a game after 1 period, so they played like they had that Detroit team in the bag.

Gallant's line blendering did seem to provide some spark, but in the end, he was outcoached by that Gru look-alike.

 

[BS45]

There isn't a coach in the world that can get this bunch to change....the "passive pretty play" is ingrained in their DNA....no matter who's behind the bench, they're going to go for the tic-tac-toe, back door play every time.

Thats not what I am talking about, its exactly how Trouba played that OT goal and how our PK plays the other teams powerplay. We sit back and let teams tick tack toe us, when if we attacked them while they have the puck they would not have the time and space to make those plays. We don't have an aggressive forecheck anymore- partly because our fourth line is slow as molasses and partly we just don't attack the puck. Its coaching and getting rid of GG will help us get rid of Reaves and Carpenter two players who are slow and do nothing 99% of the time.

 

[will1066]

Team plays to damn passive. Gallant needs to be FIRED!! That OT goal is everything that is wrong with this team. Trouba stands still and doesn't attack Perron and he picks them apart with that pass. If Trouba attacks him he never makes that pass. Every team in the league attacks us on the powerplay and makes it tough, but we sit back and let teams tick tack toe us. The coach sucks, we need Barry Trotz!!!

It was a 4 on 3 situation. Does any penalty-killing group attack on a 4-on-3?

Edit: Doesn't excuse Trouba as the dumbest clod we've ever had wearing the C.

 

[NCRanger]

I hope these issues of looking flat and disinterested has more to do with a completely disjointed schedule than the team being actually disinterested.

Last year, they played SIX games on ESPN, ESPN+, ABC, or TNT, with the earlier games on the road. This year, there have already been FOUR, all of which with a strange start time. The last three home games had a different start time. Can’t get into a rhythm when getting to the rink and going through pre-game is always different.

Don’t get me started on the idiocy of these 5 PM Sunday start times especially during the NFL season. It’s obviously not for television. It’s such a weird time that rarely do you see a well played game. It’s like giving the road team a half goal advantage.

Hopefully these nationally televised games come to an end soon and we can get into the 7 PM rhythm.

 

[will1066]

I hope these issues of looking flat and disinterested has more to do with a completely disjointed schedule than the team being actually disinterested.

Last year, they played SIX games on ESPN, ESPN+, ABC, or TNT, with the earlier games on the road. This year, there have already been FOUR, all of which with a strange start time. The last three home games had a different start time. Can’t get into a rhythm when getting to the rink and going through pre-game is always different.

Don’t get me started on the idiocy of these 5 PM Sunday start times especially during the NFL season. It’s obviously not for television. It’s such a weird time that rarely do you see a well played game. It’s like giving the road team a half goal advantage.

Hopefully these nationally televised games come to an end soon and we can get into the 7 PM rhythm.

It's the same disruptive start time for the other team.

Anyway, for the love of Adam Graves, put the Kid Line back together. Kakko does not need to be put with Panarin at any point, because he carries the puck now. Laf is night and day different when playing with a straight line Chytil.

 

[NCRanger]

It's the same disruptive start time for the other team.

Anyway, for the love of Adam Graves, put the Kid Line back together. Kakko does not need to be put with Panarin at any point, because he carries the puck now. Laf is night and day different when playing with a straight line Chytil.

A lot easier to face the start time on the road. They’re in a hotel. They’re on a “business trip”. And the other team isn’t necessarily playing three straight at home with different start times.

As for playing the Kid Line together, I’m all for it. They mesh better than any other combos they have.

 

[bl02]

It's the same disruptive start time for the other team.

Anyway, for the love of Adam Graves, put the Kid Line back together. Kakko does not need to be put with Panarin at any point, because he carries the puck now. Laf is night and day different when playing with a straight line Chytil.

Nah why should we put our best even strength line that was dynamic in the playoffs. We should just put our two most dynamic young players as passengers with a guy like Panarin who wants the puck.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Thats not what I am talking about, its exactly how Trouba played that OT goal and how our PK plays the other teams powerplay. We sit back and let teams tick tack toe us, when if we attacked them while they have the puck they would not have the time and space to make those plays. We don't have an aggressive forecheck anymore- partly because our fourth line is slow as molasses and partly we just don't attack the puck. Its coaching and getting rid of GG will help us get rid of Reaves and Carpenter two players who are slow and do nothing 99% of the time.

Last time I checked, Reaves and Carpenter weren't killing penalties. Of course, I could be wrong.

Bottom line is Rangers are not built to be an aggressive forecheck team. And until you have the players capable of executing such a scheme, it won't matter who's coaching.

 

[will1066]

Nah why should we put our best even strength line that was dynamic in the playoffs. We should just put our two most dynamic young players as passengers with a guy like Panarin who wants the puck.

Did you see Panarin and Kakko gently collide near the end of the game? No one's really sure where to go when Panarin is out there. They gently collided because Panarin was floating again.

 

[bl02]

Did you see Panarin and Kakko gently collide near the end of the game? No one's really sure where to go when Panarin is out there. They gently collided because Panarin was floating again.

Good and Bad that is what he does and he needs a RW that just does dirty work or heads to the net. We don't need a player with super skill/possession monster to play with him.
Him, Trocheck and whoever should be good enough for a decent 2nd line.
As much as we would like to see what the kid line can do let's be honest. If they make a mistake or two they won't even get a few games before the coach breaks them up.

 

[bl02]

What do people think Drury can do right now? First off, it would be bad to make a snap decision like 15 games in

But even if that wasn’t the case, they have no cap space to do anything. This is gonna be the team until Feb, so buckle up

Yep. They need to find a combination for a third line that will contribute. Not sure there is much hope for a 4th line that features Reaves and Carpenter right now to contribute on the positive side. But right now we need three lines that contribute. I am sure Drury can get some cheap help for the bottom 6 or even just 4th line before the TDL that is better than what we have right now.

 

[CLW]

Did you see Panarin and Kakko gently collide near the end of the game? No one's really sure where to go when Panarin is out there. They gently collided because Panarin was floating again.

Panarin and Fox had a bump too. Zib and Fox bumped... everything was so discombbobulobated.

 

[Chytilmania]

Last year at this time the Rangers were 5-3-3 then if I am reading correctly went 11-1. I'll give them this month before I worry but I'm not going to anymore games until they straighten sh** out.

 

[will1066]

Panarin and Fox had a bump too. Zib and Fox bumped... everything was so discombbobulobated.

Quinn hated the east-west play. Ironically, Quinn moved from the East to West coast.

 

[Chytilmania]

GG can say Kreider deserved to be on the 4th line and also wanted his speed and familiarity with Zib out there for OT. That’s not the reason we lost but people want to slam him AMAP.

The team was toying with them in the first period then stopped in the second. Having all the kids in the crowd and the place being silent likely didn’t help either. Questionable penalty call then another questionable non call then boom goal.