Spits goalies played a helluva good game both days and the crowd agreed
Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)
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The Hounds are formidable for sure. They seemed to turn up the screws in both games when they needed to last half of 3rd periods. Great start to the season. Real deal as a serious contender.
OHLTG
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Two things about deals right now...
1. With this many injuries, you need bodies in return. Is the replacement going to be better than the current?
2. It takes two sides to pull off a deal. You could say "turn on your phone and trade Smith/Abraham/Castle/etc!!", but if another club is offering peanuts or showing no interest at the time, the deal isn't happening. Windsor could have offered a handful of guys to other teams and be told "maybe later."
Deals will happen eventually. This club can't stand pat and they know that. But, it has to all come together just right.
1. With this many injuries, you need bodies in return. Is the replacement going to be better than the current?
2. It takes two sides to pull off a deal. You could say "turn on your phone and trade Smith/Abraham/Castle/etc!!", but if another club is offering peanuts or showing no interest at the time, the deal isn't happening. Windsor could have offered a handful of guys to other teams and be told "maybe later."
Deals will happen eventually. This club can't stand pat and they know that. But, it has to all come together just right.
ohloutsider
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Not going to be surprised if 1 of the OA's moves soon.
Also HL mentioned that a player was being traded to the Gens? Is that still happening?
The question is what sort of return can Bowler get for some of these players? Dionicio probably has the most value based on his skill but there is only so many teams with an import spot open. I imagine Peer, and Christopoulos have solid value, but based on the returns for OAs, you would be lucky to get a 2nd, might be able to get a 3rd and a 4th for them. I am thinking the reason Jodoin has not been released yet is they are going to trade one of the OA's soon, opening the spot for him.
Maillet's value has likely dropped. Abraham is one of those players that is always injured. Even in the games he plays, he gets injured, misses a few shifts and comes back, so I don't see his value being too high.
Smith likely has almost zero value in a trade, Castle has some but nothing special. The team is always decimated with injuries, more injuries will probably hit key players, that's why I think it's keen to make trades asap but that's not easy considering you need to have a willing partner. So basically the only player that can produce a nice return is Dionicio. Unless you wan to explore trading Greentree which is unlikely. The only way you are going to quickly bring in elite talent is if you get a lottery pick in the OHL draft and through the import draft. Erie got Misiak and Soo got Kaaki in the import draft, instantly one of the better players on their respective teams.
Maillet's value has likely dropped. Abraham is one of those players that is always injured. Even in the games he plays, he gets injured, misses a few shifts and comes back, so I don't see his value being too high.
Smith likely has almost zero value in a trade, Castle has some but nothing special. The team is always decimated with injuries, more injuries will probably hit key players, that's why I think it's keen to make trades asap but that's not easy considering you need to have a willing partner. So basically the only player that can produce a nice return is Dionicio. Unless you wan to explore trading Greentree which is unlikely. The only way you are going to quickly bring in elite talent is if you get a lottery pick in the OHL draft and through the import draft. Erie got Misiak and Soo got Kaaki in the import draft, instantly one of the better players on their respective teams.
Re Oshawa deal could see that happening still, now that they have picked up Connor Lockhart from Peterborough and waiting for injured forward Callum Ritchie to return from injury,has yet to play this season.
Which OA do think will be moved?.
My guess Maillet.
OHLTG
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I can't see them staying with 4 OAs for much longer. I'm also agreeing with HL; Maillet seems like the best situation to trade. You've got Christo/Peer up front and Jodoin, if he plays like we know he can, bringing value to a young D. Trade Maillet for a solid package and move forward.
With regards to Smith - I haven't heard anything about Oshawa lately but something needs to be done. Again, I like his potential and what he could bring, but it's so few-and-far between that...
Actually with the acquisition of Toms,and assuming you trade Maillet, and keep Jodoin I would play Jodoin upfront.
Agree with you on Smith.
OHLTG
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I'm not against Jodoin up front and I know he's said it's becoming second-nature to him.
ohloutsider
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Well I think Peer will stay so it's a toss up between the other 2 ( not including Jodoin).
Also I'm thinking they might have to take an Oa back so Jodoin likely not in the picture at this point.
Also I'm thinking they might have to take an Oa back so Jodoin likely not in the picture at this point.
I get what u mean re another OA in return for either Christopoulis or Maillet which would impact Jodoin
If Spits keep up their current play then this is a good probably for next year's import draft for your team
Sad we will only have Karki in our lineup for this season only....
We need quality 04 and 05cborn players in return. Draft picks push the can down the road 3 years minimum. Forward 04's Smith, Castle , Struthers and Abraham. None are OA material next year. Dionicio 04 likely moved as likely highest return for any 04 by far. You need your OAS to set the example of hard work and teach the youngsters and there is none with them. Our 05's are even worse as far as talent. Greenwell, Martin, Stewart, Winegard are good Junior B players at best. Eichler has not shown the skill or discipline to date. We need to dump Peer Christopoulis and Maillet to gain 04 & 05 roster players. Picks down the road will only make the "rebuild" last 2 most likely 3 years in the making. Jodoin not moved is obvious. No takers. Especially being an OA. If we sit on our current 04's and 05s Greentree, Cristoforo, Costanzo are going never have a chance to lead a competitive squad. Right now as PO'd as I am with coaching, Scotty Bowman couldn't make this team a 200 ft team. The talent is ether extremely young or extremely old. Roster needs a major overhaul. Our worst players are our future as it currently stands. No wonder Bowler who is responsible for the roster didn't bring in a big name coach. Not saying Smith is our guy but he has been dealt a rotten poker hand to start his HC career. How long before Greentree, Cristoforo and Costanzo say can I be moved please.
The problem is you are not going to get quality 04, 05 born players for any of the OA's. The highest return for an OA was a 2nd and a 3rd in the Beck deal.
Dionicio is the only player that can get you the return you are speaking of. That's why I mentioned trading Greentree, although I think it's highly unlikely and don't recommend it.
I don't disagree with you at all. That is the point. What we need and what we'll get is not likely. Next year's team wil be almost certainly worse than this year as it sits. Picture this same team less Christo, Peer, Maillet and likely Dionicio. Nesbitt was a late 1st round pick. The draft next year may bring a high 1st rounders and a high import (non Russian) future hope yes but won't do much for another 1-2 seasons at least
Nah, I think they'll be better next year. They'll have more draft picks to bring in a few players via trades. The D will be more experienced and they can bring in a legit NHL prospect in the import draft considering it will be a top 10 pick. Decent chance they have 5-6 NHL drafted players on next year's team.
Greentree yes. Cristoforo yes but his stock is falling. Where are the other 4 coming? Is Eichler and Spellacy still on the radar? Ranked C prospects pre season and have not improved their expected potential to date. Have fallen. Regardless our 04 & 05 players are not drafted other than Dionicio and those will be your veterans for the next 2 seasons as is currently.
OHLTG
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The draft eligible players are still on the radar. The season is young and the Players to Watch List isn't going to be dramatically altered because of a less-than-expected weekend or two.
Spellacy was on the ratings that came out last week ranked as a C ie. 4/5th round. Something tells me Eicher won't be drafted lol.
I would not be surprised to see Woodall and Davis on the rankings later in the season. Woodall is producing with a solid plus minus on the worst defensive team in the CHL and is already their steadiest d-man in my opinion. Sucks he is injured. Davis has skill and is starting to put up points. If they can have a big second half, they have the potential to be drafted. Hopefully and NHL drafted player in the import draft comes our way.
I would agree this is a 2-3 year process. The 3rd year should be the best year but still far from championship caliber. Like you said the 05 crop is below average and low on numbers. The 06 group has talent but is top heavy. The 04 group isn't strong enough. All you need to do is see this year this OA group isn't bad but still can't carry this roster. I am not sure on the 07 group because we only see Nesbitt right now. Just as people say Eichler/Woodall need time we will be saying that about the 07's not currently playing regular roles this year. The draft pick situation is still very poor and it just won't be solved by moving some OAs. I am also not convinced that the Spits will hit it out of the park with an import pick either. That would be new for Bowler. Disappointing we are talking about this just in November because there's no guarantee Windsor gets a top 1 or 2 pick.
The Spitfires actually have more 2nd round picks than several teams in the conference. They have more 2nds than :Erie, Kit, London, Soo, OS, and the same amount as Sarnia.
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