Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 4)

[windsor7]

If 74 was scratched tonight we'd be right in this game. He cringes with fear of being checked every single play. He can't remotely play physical enough to be a defenseman in this league. Move him to forward or move him out. Seriously why he is allowed to get away with this crap????

Agreed and no idea why..

 

[Knownothing]

Agreed and no idea why..

I agree wholeheartedly. I’d move him if I could.

 

[ohloutsider]

3rd of a 3 &3. Owen Sound probably coming in grumpy today after a tough loss last night. Should be a fun game!?

Going to give them a B+ last night for effort. They were just out gunned. Posters like to focus on 74 as the whipping boy but really last night Donoso let in 3 soft goals. If he had been better than maybe a different outcome? Eichler back tonight will help. That says a lot on the status of the D with him being out being a problem.

It's almost to the point of when do they become mathematically eliminated? I believe it is at 10 games but it won't be long either way.

Wassilyn watch continues.

 

[Cherrydon]

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I put him on a whipping post absolutely. Every face-off he goes around to each player and has some words for them as in providing his instructions, happens even after a time out when the play was already drawn up by the coaches. Then often coughs it up or gets so put of position that a great scoring chance against occurs . Turn your but to the play, absolutely doesn't get involved in puck battles, avoids all contact whatsoever and positions himself in front of our goalie standing frozen. Shot is not good. Someone who plays like that should not give directions to anyone. Add in extra long shifts. Woodall's plus minus is not any better but he has onlu 45 games experience, engages physically, came to Greentree's defense when Smith skated by and got his head pounded knowing he'd be outgunned. That my friends is a hockey player with a heartbeat. Add in Woodall was drafted 10th like 202nd overall and you wonder why I pick at our 1st rounder. BB and coaching holds a responsibility of allowing the gross errors to continue without discipline.

 

[OHLTG]

I'm looking at the goals against from last night...

1. Point shot tipped at the top of the crease. The D were covering their guys but Bonk was alone in front. Nothing Donoso could do.

2. A 2on1, Dman had the pass, shot was fired and trickled through the legs. I think he'd like that one back.

3. Another PP. Guy btwn the slot and crease, has room, and one-times it home. Both Cristoforo and Woodall went to stick check but weren't fast enough.

4. Barkey breaks through the D, Cristoforo can't catch him, and he beats Donoso. I think Donoso wants that one back, too.

5. A shot from the high slot that Donoso should have stopped.

Donoso has been a tale of two goaltenders since he got here. When he's on, he's very on. When he's off, you wonder what's happening. It makes me wonder if Ottawa's D helped him?

As for Cristoforo - I get it. He's not physical and people want that. But, that's not his game, nor has it ever been. He's got 30 points in 48 games and has been thrown into the fire with 25+ minutes a night. The NHL is watching and he's likely to be a mid-round pick. If people want to get on him for legit issues that *nobody* else does, you do you. It's when there's zero props for him doing well OR zero criticism when others have the same issues that makes me scratch my head. Cristoforo pinches? He gets yelled at. Woodall pinches? Not a peep. We can't have it both ways... unless it's personal or you're trying to stir the pot.

Owen Sound in town tonight. They had a few tilts last night in Saginaw including Barlow going with Dionicio. The return of Konnor Smith to Windsor, too. I'm sure he'll have a large group out for the game. Give me a competitive game and I'll be content.

 

[windsor7]

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I put him on a whipping post absolutely. Every face-off he goes around to each player and has some words for them as in providing his instructions, happens even after a time out when the play was already drawn up by the coaches. Then often coughs it up or gets so put of position that a great scoring chance against occurs . Turn your but to the play, absolutely doesn't get involved in puck battles, avoids all contact whatsoever and positions himself in front of our goalie standing frozen. Shot is not good. Someone who plays like that should not give directions to anyone. Add in extra long shifts. Woodall's plus minus is not any better but he has onlu 45 games experience, engages physically, came to Greentree's defense when Smith skated by and got his head pounded knowing he'd be outgunned. That my friends is a hockey player with a heartbeat. Add in Woodall was drafted 10th like 202nd overall and you wonder why I pick at our 1st rounder. BB and coaching holds a responsibility of allowing the gross errors to continue without discipline.

All very true

 

[ohloutsider]

As for Cristoforo If people want to get on him for legit issues that *nobody* else does, you do you. It's when there's zero props for him doing well OR zero criticism when others have the same issues that makes me scratch my head. Cristoforo pinches? He gets yelled at. Woodall pinches? Not a peep. We can't have it both ways... unless it's personal or you're trying to stir the pot.

This is the part that bugs me. Yes he is not playing well at all, but neither is anyone else!? Why is he the poster child for the teams woes?
Greentree with a brutal giveaway last night in London's end that ended up in the back of the net. Not a peep about that on here?
Zhugin can't keep the puck on his stick and that is every shift, nope nothing mentioned here? I could keep going but apparently the entire team gets a pass but 1 player?
If you're looking for a needle in a haystack you will find the needle. But what did you brush aside to find that needle!?
This team has way more issues than just 1 D that struggles most games.

Anyway rant over, be safe.

 

[windsor7]

I'm looking at the goals against from last night...

1. Point shot tipped at the top of the crease. The D were covering their guys but Bonk was alone in front. Nothing Donoso could do.

2. A 2on1, Dman had the pass, shot was fired and trickled through the legs. I think he'd like that one back.

3. Another PP. Guy btwn the slot and crease, has room, and one-times it home. Both Cristoforo and Woodall went to stick check but weren't fast enough.

4. Barkey breaks through the D, Cristoforo can't catch him, and he beats Donoso. I think Donoso wants that one back, too.

5. A shot from the high slot that Donoso should have stopped.

Donoso has been a tale of two goaltenders since he got here. When he's on, he's very on. When he's off, you wonder what's happening. It makes me wonder if Ottawa's D helped him?

As for Cristoforo - I get it. He's not physical and people want that. But, that's not his game, nor has it ever been. He's got 30 points in 48 games and has been thrown into the fire with 25+ minutes a night. The NHL is watching and he's likely to be a mid-round pick. If people want to get on him for legit issues that *nobody* else does, you do you. It's when there's zero props for him doing well OR zero criticism when others have the same issues that makes me scratch my head. Cristoforo pinches? He gets yelled at. Woodall pinches? Not a peep. We can't have it both ways... unless it's personal or you're trying to stir the pot.

Owen Sound in town tonight. They had a few tilts last night in Saginaw including Barlow going with Dionicio. The return of Konnor Smith to Windsor, too. I'm sure he'll have a large group out for the game. Give me a competitive game and I'll be content.

Defense very weak most of game.
Goalie let in soft goals.

 

[Cherrydon]

The team woes starts with the D. Some can argue 74 is a great offensive D- he sits in 24 th place for Defensmen in the OHL scoring currently. Big whoop. At what cost to the team? Woodall -11 has 17 points. Woodall is limited to 2nd unit PP usually max 30-40 seconds. Tom's-29 with 2 points. Defensively who is tge worst D technically? Cristoforo-21 is on first unit and maximum ice has 30 points. Woodall has played 9 games less games. Considering 74 with 30 pts and still a - 21 compared to 17 pts and but only - 11 for Woodall. Experience Cristoforo 114 games compared to Woodalls 45 career games. 64 games difference Any hockey mind would start giving Woodall more prime ice. Similar game except Woodall will engage. Project Woodall with another 64 games experience. Who is the real 10th rounder? I can't see any NHL team projecting 74 on their roster. If you can't handle the heat of the OHL, certainly not going to in the AHL or NHL. Nothing personal against Anthony it is those who defend his game that I have issue with. That is the truth

 

[ohloutsider]

The team woes starts with the D. Some can argue 74 is a great offensive D- he sits in 24 th place for Defensmen in the OHL scoring currently. Big whoop. At what cost to the team? Woodall -11 has 17 points. Woodall is limited to 2nd unit PP usually max 30-40 seconds. Tom's-29 with 2 points. Defensively who is tge worst D technically? Cristoforo-21 is on first unit and maximum ice has 30 points. Woodall has played 9 games less games. Considering 74 with 30 pts and still a - 21 compared to 17 pts and but only - 11 for Woodall. Experience Cristoforo 114 games compared to Woodalls 45 career games. 64 games difference Any hockey mind would start giving Woodall more prime ice. Similar game except Woodall will engage. Project Woodall with another 64 games experience. Who is the real 10th rounder? I can't see any NHL team projecting 74 on their roster. If you can't handle the heat of the OHL, certainly not going to in the AHL or NHL. Nothing personal against Anthony it is those who defend his game that I have issue with. That is the truth

I don't think anyone is defending his game but it is the fact that everyone is keying on him. Nobody puting any stats together to show where Walton is or Toms or Toure'? He is being thrust into a position that nobody in this league is, a number 2 D at 17 and he is going to struggle. The whole team is.

If there was someone else, anyone else that could eat those minutes then he would not play as much, still learning from the bench at 17. He plays way too much but who else is there? This is an equal issue with coaching, they don't seem to be able to address any of this?!

Last night the PK was 4 posts on the ice not moving, not aggression to the puck carrier and they never moved even when a London player set up in the slot. Easy scoring for London. Who designed that! I wonder what kind of coaching correction are they really getting??!

He and others needs a real coach and some more quality D to supplement his 30 minutes a night ice time. No D is going to shine in this environment.

And for what it's worth I fully expect Christforo to be drafted, all be it in the latter rounds. Be safe.

 

[punch1943]

You dance with the girl you brought to the dance. At this stage of the season, with 20 or so games to go there is very little that the team can do to change things. The front office/management is set. They can do little to change the roster. Realistically their best option is to give as much playing time to the younger players who will be around next year. Treat it as if it’s training camp and hope some of the things you are trying to pound into their heads sticks. They have a chance to win tonight against O.S. but that’s incidental. Best hope is they can manage to finish in 19th which gives them a great shot at a top 2 draft pick.

 

[Cherrydon]

ok. Here are the facts.

Walton 17 yrs old 46 OHL games -14
Woodall 17 45 OHL games -11
Cristoforo 17 115 OHL games -21
Toms 19 140 OHL games -29
Winegard 19 34 OHL games -14
Eichler 18 45 OHL games-19
Toure 20 96 OHL games -1

Toms as we know has been a liability and 7th D filler. So next most experienced is Cristaforo. He has played more games out of all regular D even more than overager Toure. 3-17yr olds, comparing the 3 17 yr olds, 2 are trending up and 1 is sliding.

 

[hockeylegend11]

I don't think anyone is defending his game but it is the fact that everyone is keying on him. Nobody puting any stats together to show where Walton is or Toms or Toure'? He is being thrust into a position that nobody in this league is, a number 2 D at 17 and he is going to struggle. The whole team is.

If there was someone else, anyone else that could eat those minutes then he would not play as much, still learning from the bench at 17. He plays way too much but who else is there? This is an equal issue with coaching, they don't seem to be able to address any of this?!

Last night the PK was 4 posts on the ice not moving, not aggression to the puck carrier and they never moved even when a London player set up in the slot. Easy scoring for London. Who designed that! I wonder what kind of coaching correction are they really getting??!

He and others needs a real coach and some more quality D to supplement his 30 minutes a night ice time. No D is going to shine in this environment.

And for what it's worth I fully expect Christforo to be drafted, all be it in the latter rounds. Be safe.

Since the coaching changes 28 games ago Christoforo is +1 was -22 after his 1st 21 games.
Woodall is -9 since the coaching changes, before that in 11 games he was -2.
Eichler is -8 since changes was -11 before
Toms is -12,was -16 in 8 games before changes
Walton is -6 was -8 prior
Winegard is - 7 was -6 before.
Mancini was +10 after coaching change before being dealt was -3 before changes.

 

[ohloutsider]

ok. Here are the facts.

Walton 17 yrs old 46 OHL games -14
Woodall 17 45 OHL games -11
Cristoforo 17 115 OHL games -21
Toms 19 140 OHL games -29
Winegard 19 34 OHL games -14
Eichler 18 45 OHL games-19
Toure 20 96 OHL games -1

Toms as we know has been a liability and 7th D filler. So next most experienced is Cristaforo. He has played more games out of all regular D even more than overager Toure. 3-17yr olds, comparing the 3 17 yr olds, 2 are trending up and 1 is sliding.

So if Walton is trending up and AC down why is Walton not playing 1st D minutes and do you really think he would trend up if he was?

 

[windsor7]

Since the coaching changes 28 games ago Christoforo is +1 was -22 after his 1st 21 games.
Woodall is -9 since the coaching changes, before that in 11 games he was -2.
Eichler is -8 since changes was -11 before
Toms is -12,was -16 in 8 games before changes
Walton is -6 was -8 prior
Winegard is - 7 was -6 before.
Mancini was +10 after coaching change before being dealt was -3 before changes.

After 1 of Bowler terrible decisions...

 

[ohloutsider]

Joey starts for Windsor. Votary for OS. Also nice to see Konner Smith starting for OS .

Now it shows Christforo starting on D for Windsor but does not show another D starting. I guess he is so good he can just play alone!!! LOL. Please see the humor in this!

Wassilyn watch continues.

 

[Knownothing]

74 will NOT be drafted. I’ll eat crow if proven wrong.

What are the odds K. Walton is brought in this summer? Will have to pay but a big body that can play that fits with the other 06’s.

 

[TheGremlin]

Re Christoforo. My issue is when he pinches and gets caught he doesn’t show any urgency to get back. He relies on to much on his forwards to cover in D zone while he gets back. I also don’t think he is a good leader. There are games he looks like Boka blocking shots and then others he just thinks throwing a stick in the way will be good enough. To someones earlier point about Woodall pinching. I don’t think people will bitch about it unless he is doing it all the time and getting caught all the time. There are times Christo pinches and next thing you know he standing in front of the net instead of getting back to his spot. Smith is another one. He is like Kerby minus the ability to score. If it on offence there is hustle. On the way to D zone its more like slacking to get back in hopes for a break going the other way.
People expect more from Christo cause of where he was drafted and the letter on his chest.
There is blame to go around and coaching isn’t helping. Who is helping the goalies coaching wise? Thursday the first erie goal the Spits killing a penalty and our d get the puck and fires it high on glass. 2 Spits players take off and are almost the redline when erie player stops the puck at the line and erie is now 5 on 2. Why are they taking that risk when they are up by 2 goals? I don’t care if this team loses. I just want to see the effort from everyone for a whole game. Sure things arw not always going to go right but you got to fight thru. That’s how you get experience and how you become a winner.

 

[Knownothing]

74 will NOT be drafted. I’ll eat crow if proven wrong.

What are the odds K. Walton is brought in this summer? Will have to pay but a big body that can play that fits with the other 06’s.

B rated for the 2024 draft

 

[windsor7]

74 will NOT be drafted. I’ll eat crow if proven wrong.

What are the odds K. Walton is brought in this summer? Will have to pay but a big body that can play that fits with the other 06’s.

He probably get drafted. Later rounds.

 

[windsor7]

Zito scratched..

 

[windsor7]

Flint won today..

 

[OHLTG]

Now it shows Christforo starting on D for Windsor but does not show another D starting. I guess he is so good he can just play alone!!! LOL. Please see the humor in this!

Wassilyn watch continues.

He's starting with Eichler.

 

[ohloutsider]

He's starting with Eichler.

Ya they updated it I'm sure.
After lots of good discussion today I thought it to be cute!

 

[ohloutsider]

Another good start. Now just need to top up the Petro and keep flying.