Windsor Spitfires 2023-24 Off-Season Thread (Part 2)

[ohloutsider]

they dont have to trade zhugin right away, hes an overage so he can be put on a reserve list and avoid being cut before the draft. that said, i dont think you get anything for him in a trade. i think they keep him over the d to be honest, they had opportunities to trade him but said the plan was for him to be an overage import next year.

Was unaware that being an OA canadate meant you can still draft another one. Good to know. It also begs the question why did they have to trade Soblev last June before the draft?

 

[OHLTG]

Was unaware that being an OA canadate meant you can still draft another one. Good to know. It also begs the question why did they have to trade Soblev last June before the draft?

At the time, Bowler said it was an OA numbers game and, according to the article, they could only carry two Imports. It was a "tricky" situation.

 

[Cherrydon]

At the time, Bowler said it was an OA numbers game and, according to the article, they could only carry two Imports. It was a "tricky" situation.

This is nothing against you OHLTG but the tricky situation was Bowler moving Sobolev. Exactly what the doctor ordered for last season and we had him and moved him. Seriously think that move was the start of an all out tank season and move anybody they could to recoup picks. Maybe Bowler knew or wanted Smith to fail. Either way, DeAngelis was moved early as well and the D tank was on.

 

[windsor7]

At the time, Bowler said it was an OA numbers game and, according to the article, they could only carry two Imports. It was a "tricky" situation.

It realty wasn't. Bowler made it that way..

 

[OHLTG]

This is nothing against you OHLTG but the tricky situation was Bowler moving Sobolev. Exactly what the doctor ordered for last season and we had him and moved him. Seriously think that move was the start of an all out tank season and move anybody they could to recoup picks. Maybe Bowler knew or wanted Smith to fail. Either way, DeAngelis was moved early as well and the D tank was on.

I liked Sobolev's style a whole lot and didn't think they'd keep Eichler over him. Strangely, I can see why they should have kept him but I also see why trading him wasn't a bad idea.

 

[LeProspector]

This is nothing against you OHLTG but the tricky situation was Bowler moving Sobolev. Exactly what the doctor ordered for last season and we had him and moved him. Seriously think that move was the start of an all out tank season and move anybody they could to recoup picks. Maybe Bowler knew or wanted Smith to fail. Either way, DeAngelis was moved early as well and the D tank was on.

All the O/A Windsor had coming into the year last year were more valuable. That’s what it came down to last year.

 

[windsor7]

I liked Sobolev's style a whole lot and didn't think they'd keep Eichler over him. Strangely, I can see why they should have kept him but I also see why trading him wasn't a bad idea.

Decisive hat..

 

[RayzorIsDull]

This is nothing against you OHLTG but the tricky situation was Bowler moving Sobolev. Exactly what the doctor ordered for last season and we had him and moved him. Seriously think that move was the start of an all out tank season and move anybody they could to recoup picks. Maybe Bowler knew or wanted Smith to fail. Either way, DeAngelis was moved early as well and the D tank was on.

It's a tricky situation when you decide to keep Jodoin around as on OA.......

 

[Cherrydon]

All the O/A Windsor had coming into the year last year were more valuable. That’s what it came down to last year.

I'd easily argue defense and lack of physical play of our D was the most obvious failure of last year. Keeping a experienced solid D was more important than kerping a forward on a team that never needed offense. Maillet was not worth a Sobolev. We kept Jodoin on the roster, Christopoulis was quickly moved after returning from injury. Could have kept Sobolev, moved Christopoulis as was done and released Jodoin at the beginning of the season instead of sitting him most games to not exceed 10 games only to release him anyways. Just saying as bad as we were with coaching this season, if Sobolev and DeAngelis were kept, Our 06 D would have learned a pile and I bet we make the playoffs. I am not saying I'm disappointed over our draft selection, just Bowler made sure the team would be bad moving our 2 best D early. That was the point.

 

[LeProspector]

I'd easily argue defense and lack of physical play of our D was the most obvious failure of last year. Keeping a experienced solid D was more important than kerping a forward on a team that never needed offense. Maillet was not worth a Sobolev. We kept Jodoin on the roster, Christopoulis was quickly moved after returning from injury. Could have kept Sobolev, moved Christopoulis as was done and released Jodoin at the beginning of the season instead of sitting him most games to not exceed 10 games only to release him anyways. Just saying as bad as we were with coaching this season, if Sobolev and DeAngelis were kept, Our 06 D would have learned a pile and I bet we make the playoffs. I am not saying I'm disappointed over our draft selection, just Bowler made sure the team would be bad moving our 2 best D early. That was the point.

I think everything that happened this year was the best thing that could have happened for the franchises future. Why try to be a 7/8th place team? For two more games of gate revenue?

Spits window was in 2021/22 and 22/23. They needed to recoup assets and picks, and they did just that.

With the team getting the first overall pick the pain was worth it, so no need to live in revisionist history, at least last year - especially when you look at what Sobolev got even traded at the deadline, compared to Peer, Maillet, Mancini and Christopolus.

 

[ohloutsider]

Davis and Greentree ( twice) were named on the coaches poll. Davis #3 at most underrated. That is nice plum for him.

 

[Cherrydon]

I think everything that happened this year was the best thing that could have happened for the franchises future. Why try to be a 7/8th place team? For two more games of gate revenue?

Spits window was in 2021/22 and 22/23. They needed to recoup assets and picks, and they did just that.

With the team getting the first overall pick the pain was worth it, so no need to live in revisionist history, at least last year - especially when you look at what Sobolev got even traded at the deadline, compared to Peer, Maillet, Mancini and Christopolus.

Absolutely agree. At the end of the day, the team felt obligated to give Smith a chance due to longevity with the franchise. The cupboard was bare. The real talent is young. Hate to be a contender in the next couple of years and have a shortage of picks to make a run. That would truly suck. The cupboard is full, awesome draft positions. I'm happy. My gripe was if Bowler honestly thought the team was mid pack with Smith as HC, he wouldn't have made those moves early. Maybe he had better sense of the situation than given credit for.

 

[OHLTG]

Interesting story out of the WStar today. They talked to Jim Fox, who was the Spitfires' 1st overall pick in 1976. He said he was excited to come to Windsor but, after a week, got homesick and went home. It was just too far away and it wasn't Windsor's fault. After a year at home, he felt more comfortable moving away so that's why he went to play with Ottawa. When he returned to the Windsor Arena, he was nervous. Now, he still checks up on both Windsor and Ottawa to see how they're playing.

Also... expect the Spitfires to make their pick next Thursday.

 

[nelli27]

Interesting story out of the WStar today. They talked to Jim Fox, who was the Spitfires' 1st overall pick in 1976. He said he was excited to come to Windsor but, after a week, got homesick and went home. It was just too far away and it wasn't Windsor's fault. After a year at home, he felt more comfortable moving away so that's why he went to play with Ottawa. When he returned to the Windsor Arena, he was nervous. Now, he still checks up on both Windsor and Ottawa to see how they're playing.

Also... expect the Spitfires to make their pick next Thursday.

Jim Fox went on to become a commentator for the LA Kings after retiring from the NHL, and worked alongside Bob Miller who did the play by play. And if I remember correctly Bob Miller tutored a former play by play guy from your area... one of the best in the O!

 

[windsor7]

Interesting story out of the WStar today. They talked to Jim Fox, who was the Spitfires' 1st overall pick in 1976. He said he was excited to come to Windsor but, after a week, got homesick and went home. It was just too far away and it wasn't Windsor's fault. After a year at home, he felt more comfortable moving away so that's why he went to play with Ottawa. When he returned to the Windsor Arena, he was nervous. Now, he still checks up on both Windsor and Ottawa to see how they're playing.

Also... expect the Spitfires to make their pick next Thursday.

Star with another breaking story.....
Very little to write about

 

[OHLTG]

Jim Fox went on to become a commentator for the LA Kings after retiring from the NHL, and worked alongside Bob Miller who did the play by play. And if I remember correctly Bob Miller tutored a former play by play guy from your area... one of the best in the O!

Who's the PbP guy from our area?

 

[nelli27]

Who's the PbP guy from our area?

PM'd you.

 

[windsor7]

Spirit made it to round 2 at least..

 

[FiveHoleo]

Star with another breaking story.....
Very little to write about

I did a whole lot of googling when I saw that this was our 2nd first pick overall and couldn't find anything whatsoever about Jim Fox and his career in Windsor. It was before my time by a few years, so it was nice for the Windsor Star to fill in that gap even if it was old news and likely bullshit.

 

[OHLTG]

I appreciated the Fox story. It helps bring some closure (that may not have been there) to that aspect. Now we know what happened and onto the next.

 

[windsor7]

I appreciated the Fox story. It helps bring some closure (that may not have been there) to that aspect. Now we know what happened and onto the next.

Closure ?

 

[scokan]

7 do you just hang around and wait for ohltg to post something?

 

[OHLTG]

OHL Draft order is posted (without accounting for trades)...

Windsor has (if I did math right) - 1, 22, 24, 58, 63, 71, 75, 124, 144, 164, 184, 204, 210, 244, 264, 284

 

[ohloutsider]

My read on this years draft #'s

1- 1st
2- 2nds ( Nia , Petes)
1- 3rd. ( NB)
3 - 4ths ( Nia, Guelph, Miss Conditional)
1- 7th
1- 8th
1- 9th
1- 10th
2 - 11ths ( King)
1- 13th
1- 14th
1- 15th

Including next week's picks they have 9 2nds, 5 3rds and 8 4ths. Wondering if they will push some of these picks into the future with the draft pick trade block opening next week? Interesting times for sure.

This would available draft picks up to and including 2028.

 

[HockeyPops]

OHL Draft order is posted (without accounting for trades)...

Windsor has (if I did math right) - 1, 22, 24, 58, 63, 71, 75, 124, 144, 164, 184, 204, 210, 244, 264, 284

I got the same.