Windsor Spitfires 2022-23 Season Thread (Part 2)
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Same could be said for Cristoforo and Kyrou then. Do you trade Christoforo who has potential for Kyrou who IS there already? If you add him you could be a monster playoff team. He's a stud
OHLTG
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To me, the difference is Cristoforo has proven more valuable on the back end than Miedema has up front. Losing Cristo would have a bigger short-term AND long-term impact.
That said, if I'm looking at Kyrou, I'm thinking about someone like DeAngelis or Ride, both of whom are becoming big chips.
Windsor with a come back win.
Sloppy non physical game by Windsor.
Average crowd.
Pp needs help.
Hope Windsor doesn't have a drought in goal scoring.
2 points is what matters
Sloppy non physical game by Windsor.
Average crowd.
Pp needs help.
Hope Windsor doesn't have a drought in goal scoring.
2 points is what matters
ptbopete
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"Was an impressive game over a fully healthy PBO team." Not quite. The flu has hit the Petes and they are playing guys who just had the flu which explains a lack of jump in their step. Last night was the Petes' 5th game in 8 days and throw in the 5 hour trip to Windsor and you have a sh** storm.
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A wise man once said “opinions are like *ssholes everyone has one” and you probably don’t need mine BUT if we are still in it after the Xmas break I’d look to add (2) things #1 a top flight goalie and #2 a top 2 defensive defenseman.
ohloutsider
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I agree with this. Spits can put the puck in the net. Need to shore up team D. Wright is not what they need. A top D and maybe a better goalie would sure help. They would be fools to trade Christoforo and Bowler is no fool.
This should get a double "like" but they only let me have one.
I would agree Windsor would be fools trading Christoforo and that's not happening.
Yes like last year getting a dman ala Perrott would be the add required.
As for the goaltending Onuska has to start putting up numbers that he had in the playoffs, not convinced they kept the right goalie and I still think Constanzo should be given more work.
As for last night nice to be rewarded with the comeback win,scoring chance wise Windsor the better team,should have scored 5 or 6 were it not for the play of Simpson for the Petes.
Overall tough team to play against and Windsor continues to play well at home.
Noah Morneau continues to improve,nice 15th round pick by Windsor, hometown kid makes good,I love it.
Oliver Peer who has 9G,10A in 16 games this year has more points then 70 plus played games last year including playoffs (17).
Last year at this time he had played 7 games missed most of the others with injury,he had 0 points.
The improvement from him,Maillet and Christopoulos from last year,along with Deangelis is immense and bodes well for the team going forward.
Another example Christopoulos who was with North Bay last year to start had 1 goal when dealt here, he now has 12 in 16 games so far.
I hold onto Christoforo unless there's clear indication he wants out - there isn't. From all I've heard he's happy to be here, and boy am I sure happy to have him.
The Spits are playing above what they are on paper, which has been a pleasant surprise. I'm expecting a slight add and that's what I hope for as well. This team is has too much potential in 23/24 & 24/25 to go all in on 22/23. Ownership and Management has made it a point to say they want to create a long-term winning atmosphere in Windsor, and they're on that path. I think we could buy a championship this year and start a rebuild next year, but I'd rather have another few winning seasons, keep locking down that home ice and taking consistent shots at an OHL championship. Last year was a pleasant surprise, we were ONE game away.
Sure a top level winger would be nice, but at what cost? I don't think we'd even consider shopping Spellacy or Greentree. T Johnston, is kinda the bubble guy IMO that would go from the bottom 6 to the bench, and we just went out and acquired him. Wright is a fun name to toss around but based on this management, not their style. I've been the first on many situations to bring up Meidema concerns. I'm backtracking a bit now. He's not there yet, but… he's starting to do the little things. He's making hits, he's improving in corners, he's using his size, and during a scrum last night he made a bee line to it before anyone had a chance to tell him no. He seems more interested and if he continues to put forth maximum effort even if it doesn't result in the scoresheet improvements, I'm fine with it. It's the I'm going to try and dangle my way through these top tier OHL d men, who will easily knock the puck off my stick and send an odd-man rush the other way style that drives me bonkers. He seems to be learning his size and learning the O. He's not there yet, but I'm starting to see those improvements and adaptations to the OHL game I expected from him last year. We could realistically have Meidema through 2025 or 2026… Again unless there's clear indication he wants out, I'm not moving him for 30 games of Shane Wright. As far as forward improvements maybe Dallas will change their mind on Wyatt. I think that's our best chance of adding a high production standout forward.
I think we can and will improve the D, but I wouldn't even bet on it being a "Top 4" D Man. With the progress from our D from June to November, it's not crazy to expect this D group to lock it down by March. I think Bowler makes a move, but I wouldn't hate standing pat. The spot I want to improve is slot Jodoin/Hebek are cycling. Obviously wouldn't mind adding a 3-4 D man and shuffling guys down but I don't think we're too far off from Renwick/Sobolev/Ride/DeAngelis and Christoforo making up a legit OHL Top 4 D Crew…
Onuska can be better, he has been better, but I think he's out goalie this year. Period. Injuries occur, we're leaning on Costanzo, which we know from 21/22, could be way worse.
The Improvements I'd like to see even as an armchair GM don't seem worth the expense. That's not factoring in the players, families, friendships involved. I get its a business, but you can't tell me most OHL organizations don't put any thought into the names they're trading and the person behind them.
Plus Who's going out to add that Top Production Forward or that Top 4 D Man? Meidema? Christoforo? Spellacy? Greentree? Ride? DeAngelis? If anything it's time to open up that cupboard and see what's up there.
By all indication - Maggio should have that C on any day now.
Windsor leads the league in GF with 78 (Flint in 2nd at 69, Ottawa in 3rd at 66). While we have no top scorers in the Top 5, we have 2 of the Top 10 (Maggio, Abraham) and 5 of the Top 20 scorers in the OHL (Peer, Christopolous, Maillet).
No disrespect, but I chuckled when I saw Christopolous is 2nd in the league in goals only behind Nolan Burke. Good for Christo, that guy has worked his tail off.
It sounds like the guys are buying into the plan, and I'm totally sold. This is going to make for a fun season.
No disrespect, but I chuckled when I saw Christopolous is 2nd in the league in goals only behind Nolan Burke. Good for Christo, that guy has worked his tail off.
It sounds like the guys are buying into the plan, and I'm totally sold. This is going to make for a fun season.
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Excuses will always be there for teams looking for it, especially this time of year. Every single player was in the Petes lineup. That's a fully healthy team. 16-20 year old kids can do a physical activity 5 times in 8 days. That's a really weak excuse if you ask me.
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Interesting you think WSR has high potential in '23/'24. To me that would really come down to how good Miedema is and based on this board, it doesn't seem like many people think he's going to take over next year so I don't fully see that as they lose Maggio and don't necessarily have someone like him behind him (Abraham good but not Maggio good) and lose Onuska and unless Costanzo has taken a massive step in his 4 games since last year, I don't see him being a full time .910+ save % guy. But if that is the case, then WSR needs to play him more in the 2nd half to get ready for that said season next year
And to your "Sure a top level winger would be nice, but at what cost? I don't think we'd even consider shopping Spellacy or Greentree" point, you're not allowed to trade Spellacy or Greentree. Only your 1st rounder, which was Cristoforo
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From the outside looking in, this team is very good but lacking a bonefide stud. I would go get that stud. Shane Wright for Miedema ++. Add a top 4 d and have fun.
ohloutsider
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You'd like nothing better than Windsor to not be competitive during a Soo up cycle.
. Bowler even with his short history does not seem like a sell all to win at all costs type of GM. There will be moves but not sacrifice the future type of moves . And GU is correct, only 16 yr old they can move is Christoforo and only if he waves his NTC. He and his family seem very happy here so not seeing that either.Pretty much reading my mind with this post. Not interested in bringing in the possible attitude of a Wright, been there done that. It is nice to watch a group of kids that all seem to get along so well
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I am not convinced Windsor is built to compete next season unless they sell off a few pieces and retool this year. They only have 5x 2004s including Hebek and Morneau. And why would they do that? Whenever the Greyhounds decide to try to contend (probably next year) there will be other teams also adding trying to do the same thing. Matters not to me whether Windsor is one of them or not. I understand your post was tongue in cheek, and maybe they somehow manage to ice a great team next year without a retool, but certainly plays no part in my post above.
But go back and look at the OHL Champions the last bunch of seasons. They all had at least one stud. Morrison, Suzuki, Thomas, DeBrincat. Keep going back. Is Windsor really going to do it with Maggio? Hamilton had a very good team in 2017, but brought in Thomas at the deadline because they needed a stud. I view Windsor in the same vein. If your GM is unwilling to make the required addition, might as well prepare yourself now for the inevitable result.
But go back and look at the OHL Champions the last bunch of seasons. They all had at least one stud. Morrison, Suzuki, Thomas, DeBrincat. Keep going back. Is Windsor really going to do it with Maggio? Hamilton had a very good team in 2017, but brought in Thomas at the deadline because they needed a stud. I view Windsor in the same vein. If your GM is unwilling to make the required addition, might as well prepare yourself now for the inevitable result.
We sort our PP, get consistent goaltending and add 1 good D, 1more high end set up forward and look out. D'Angelis and Sobolev has made leaps this year. They lead the team in plus minus in that order. Little disappointed in Renwick's defensive play lately as focus shifted to offense much like Henault last season Renwick only plus 3. Not great for an overager. Even Hebek is plus 4 although he plays easier minutes.
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If any thing, Bowler's shown he's willing to make the moves. The thing is - which move is best?
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It’ll probably be a once somewhat highly talented player on the outside looking in with his current team that Savard and his coaching staff are goung to turn into a very good OHL player.
Matthew Jovanovic anyone???
OHLTG
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Jovanovic has yet to play a game and, from what I'm reading, he's been injured off-and-on since he got to Saginaw. As much as I like his potential, that would be a conditioned-filled deal.
If the Spits are going to get a D, it has to be a top-flight kind of guy.
ohloutsider
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Yes tongue and cheek
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Other than loosing the 3 OA's not much more graduation. Again probably not a go year but they should be competitive.
Big problem is can't see Bowler moving any of the OA's. Means whoever they may seek would have to be 18/19. This would prove to be costly. Not sure that Bowler will be shopping in those high end places.
It is hard to resist if they are still in first come Christmas. Almost a disservice to the kids if they don't bring someone high end in? Seen teams/players layback if they feel nothing was done to support them. It would be fun to have another run but if the right moves are made for the future then all good here.
Oops! Forgot about that rule, it's not often I'm putting much stock in 16 year olds that weren't drafted after the first round.
Abraham's good, but not Maggio good… yet. Abraham is also two years younger than Maggio. 23/24 is next season, I don't think it's unlikely DeAngelis, Ride, Christoforo, Morneau, Abraham, Smith, Meidema, Greentree, Spellacy and 2 of Maillet, Christopolous, Peer are all back next year. And hopefully all a touch improved from where they are this year.
Our 03' Crop right now is Maillet, Christopolous, Peer, Jodoin, T. Johnston and Sobolev. Expecting Sobolev to move on, but I don't think it's unrealistic to expect to see Peer, Maillet or Christopolous back next year as none have NHL ties and all have traits that make me think serve an OA year in the O will be beneficial.
I definitely agree the Spits need to get Costanzo more time between the pipes for his development, but I think by next year he'll be ready to take over.
I think the biggest loss coming this offseason will be Marc Savard, I'm trying to enjoy what we have, while we have it.
Plus think about all the current contributing kids and how their attitudes may change when their ice time gets cut in order to make room for Wright sized minutes. They're playing well as a team, far above my expectations, again. They got a good room and are logging W's, why jeopardize it.
Watch OS/Sarnia/Saginaw, adjust accordingly, when necessary.
What do you mean right moves meant for the future?? Windsor capitalized on not many teams wanting to go all in last year. I could see Flint making a run still they have 4 OAs but why not make a couple moves and bring in Gavin Hayes brother for a run if Hamilton isn't winning enough?? After starting 0-5 Kitchener has figured things out in large part due to Mesar arriving and acquiring Constantini who is playing at an extremely high level. Owen Sound might not make a run but they should be good all year with their roster. We haven't touched upon the east but Ottawa is elite. Unfortunately last year Hamilton made that leap and won because they did go all in. There are ways that Windsor can improve on the margins and get better. I mean overall Hebek hasn't been great and there's a stark contrast between Sobolev/Baisov/Hebek. I would like Costanzo to play more but it's not going to happen right now barring injury. Keeping that in mind they would be better off making a big run this year because the 04s for Windsor aren't elite.
ohloutsider
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Right move for the future is not trading Christoforo. I'm ok with using picks and a role player or 2 to get a better D and possibly a goalie but not moving the younger group is key for me. It would have to be a heavy draft pick trade because most of the role players won't fetch alot. Example is #77. You might have to move Onuska as well, maybe. Anyway just spitballin, not even sure who would be a target?
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