Win or McDavid? | Page 10 | HFBoards - NHL Message Board and Forum for National Hockey League
Toggle sidebar

Win or McDavid?

LatvianTwist said:
Serious question, not trying to start a debate or flame anyone - have any of you who are calling for a tank ever played sports competitively? You guys do realize what a losing attitude in the locker room will do to a team, correct? Just look at Edmonton. They're still absolute garbage after multiple top picks. And if you're gonna argue that McDavid and Eichel are different prospects, Pittsburgh was pretty terrible for a couple years even after they drafted Crosby.

Tanking simply doesn't happen, except in extreme occasions (Buffalo, for instance). I know it's fun to speculate about and think about having players like McDavid and Eichel, but it's not even close to being realistic.
Click to expand...

Did you not read the debate on the last thread? lmao

I'm sure most of us have played competitive hockey, I have- and I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Especially since competitive hockey for me- standings didn't reflect getting a better pick for the club, thus losing never had any merit... so it did suck and impacted the players on the team. I played on my fair share of bad teams- and nothing pissed me and other players off more than losing, but you learn to use that anger to play better on the ice (at least I did).

So I don't see what influence playing competitively has on wanting the team to have a good draft pick has... unless of course you've played in the CHL and have some anecdotal evidence to support what you're saying... I digress.


If you're lumping myself into the tanking team (which I'm "vocal" about), it's always been in a joking fashion. Most know that now. However, I'm willing to bet that if the Dallas Stars find themselves still swaying towards the lower end of the standings in February, most fans won't mind a couple more losses. Especially come June 20-something.


The Penguins comparison is terrible, by the way. The last time they missed the playoffs was 2005-06. Look at the LA Kings or Chicago... Kopitar and Doughty or Kane and Toews. You can build a team through and around top draft picks along with smart trades.



Happy Holidays.
 
Satan said:
I'm willing to bet that if the Dallas Stars find themselves still swaying towards the lower end of the standings in February, most fans won't mind a couple more losses. Especially come June 20-something.
Click to expand...

Haha yeah. If we miss the playoffs, most here would swap that miraculous comeback against EDM and a handful of loser points for Marner instead of some draft pick with 2nd line upside on draft day.
 
OttMorrow said:
I have competed in MMA, Boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Wrestling, Soccer, Baseball, and Basketball....so yeah, I'm in it to win it. I don't see much of difference in missing the playoffs by a smidge or missing it by a bunch. Either way you fall short of competing for the cup. I think missing the playoffs regardless of how much creates a losing attitude. I mean 16 of 30 teams make the playoffs...that's most. If you can't crack that, you've got problems, so you might as well get a pick that might serve to solve some of the problems and take you too that next level to gain the confidence and the winning attitude.
Click to expand...

And you think the players really care about draft position? That some of them are going to risk their jobs and their teammates' jobs just to get a higher pick? It's a lot easier for players to think "we'll have another shot next year, just have to push that much harder", when you're two spots out of the playoffs vs. twelve spots out. You're right, you've got problems if you can't crack the playoffs, but regardless of making the playoffs or not, most teams have issues. Willingly playing worse hockey and being a bottom-feeder only magnifies those issues instead of helping to solve them, so what good comes from it besides a possible better player down the road?


Satan said:
Did you not read the debate on the last thread? lmao

I'm sure most of us have played competitive hockey, I have- and I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Especially since competitive hockey for me- standings didn't reflect getting a better pick for the club, thus losing never had any merit... so it did suck and impacted the players on the team. I played on my fair share of bad teams- and nothing pissed me and other players off more than losing, but you learn to use that anger to play better on the ice (at least I did).

So I don't see what influence playing competitively has on wanting the team to have a good draft pick has... unless of course you've played in the CHL and have some anecdotal evidence to support what you're saying... I digress.


If you're lumping myself into the tanking team (which I'm "vocal" about), it's always been in a joking fashion. Most know that now. However, I'm willing to bet that if the Dallas Stars find themselves still swaying towards the lower end of the standings in February, most fans won't mind a couple more losses. Especially come June 20-something.


The Penguins comparison is terrible, by the way. The last time they missed the playoffs was 2005-06. Look at the LA Kings or Chicago... Kopitar and Doughty or Kane and Toews. You can build a team through and around top draft picks along with smart trades.



Happy Holidays.
Click to expand...

Again, I don't think many current NHLers care about where their team picks at the draft. There aren't many reasons why it should.

I know you're usually joking about it, and I'm not trying to single anyone out. But there's just no good reason to support your team losing. I'm as big of a fan as the next young group of prospects as you are, and this is Hockey's Future Boards, but still, that shouldn't justify wanting our team to lose games.
 
I'd say there's close to zero NHLers that care where their team picks in the draft. The hope of a better player or future could make their job security much less than it is.

My point is this: we aren't NHL players, we're NHL fans. My position on the team isn't on the line if Connor McDavid is drafted by the Dallas Stars, so I do care where the team drafts in June if the team is struggling with passing the median.

If the team is mediocre, I won't vocally cheer for the team to lose. I can't do that. On the forum I'll make jokes or say "tank for McDavid" and I mean nothing much of it. I want to see the team win as much as it can since as I've stated before, I hate losing. I'm delighted with every goal the team scores. However, I can look past the negatives in losing hockey games by seeing the positivity in the team potentially getting pick #6 in the draft versus pick #11. That's why I also support losing this season.
 
Satan said:
I'd say there's close to zero NHLers that care where their team picks in the draft. The hope of a better player or future could make their job security much less than it is.

My point is this: we aren't NHL players, we're NHL fans. My position on the team isn't on the line if Connor McDavid is drafted by the Dallas Stars, so I do care where the team drafts in June if the team is struggling with passing the median.

If the team is mediocre, I won't vocally cheer for the team to lose. I can't do that. On the forum I'll make jokes or say "tank for McDavid" and I mean nothing much of it. I want to see the team win as much as it can since as I've stated before, I hate losing. I'm delighted with every goal the team scores. However, I can look past the negatives in losing hockey games by seeing the positivity in the team potentially getting pick #6 in the draft versus pick #11. That's why I also support losing this season.
Click to expand...

LatvianTwist, since you asked, these are pretty much my exact sentiments as well.
 
McDavid Tank Watch

It was earlier today that I tallied up the goal differential of the previous 9 games for our guys in Green to be +3 and stated, "I am not impressed". Unfortunately I missed this game, but 6-0? I'm impressed, even if it was against a piss poor team because that's what a playoff caliber team does against a piss poor team...destroy them. I'm encouraged. Not convinced per se, but encouraged.

We passed up Minny and put some space between the teams ahead of us in the draft race. Our next game against Minny is a big one, whichever side of this you may be on.

Happy New Year!

Draft Seed: 11th

Boxscores to Watch:

Nothing of consequence.
 
LatvianTwist said:
Serious question, not trying to start a debate or flame anyone - have any of you who are calling for a tank ever played sports competitively? You guys do realize what a losing attitude in the locker room will do to a team, correct? Just look at Edmonton. They're still absolute garbage after multiple top picks. And if you're gonna argue that McDavid and Eichel are different prospects, Pittsburgh was pretty terrible for a couple years even after they drafted Crosby.

Tanking simply doesn't happen, except in extreme occasions (Buffalo, for instance). I know it's fun to speculate about and think about having players like McDavid and Eichel, but it's not even close to being realistic.
Click to expand...

Answer to your question - yes, and I still do.

The intent of this thread is not to ask what other fans think Stars players should do/think/feel; it is to ask whether they would rather see the Stars win games when even reaching the playoffs is almost mathematically impossible or lose those games and draft a (potential) superstar. Obviously every NHL player should think "Win" all day everyday. This isn't about the attitude of the players, it's about the attitude of the fans, given that the playoffs might as well be out of reach.
 
McDavid Tank Watch

I am a torn man. The Stars' recent run, a mix of good fortune and better play, has given them noticeable confidence. The body language of this team has done an about face. We now sit at a crossroads where a prolonged continuation of our good play could realistically put us in the in the playoffs, and at the same time, a set back in any regard this could put us in Marner/J. Roy territory. Anything in the middle of those two, and it spells disaster. For the first time in 15 games or so. I find myself cautiously excited about winning our next big game against Minny, but I'm ok with us losing the game and losing a bunch thereafter as well. This has been a trying season for Stars fans, and I have a feeling it's going to be a nail-biter no matter what direction the Stars head in the standings.

Draft Seed: 11th

Boxscores to Watch:

BUF vs FLA
NJD vs Habs
*PHI vs CAR*
*EDM vs COL*
 
McDavid Tank Watch

With the Minnesota win last night over the Leafs, we reclaimed the highly-esteemed 10th Draft Seed (sarcasm). The Canes won Philly in a 4-Point McDavid Bout last night which is not what I wanted to see, because at this point EDM is still in the drivers seat of the McDavid Race. The Oil did pick up a loser point to COL in the other 4-pointer so there is some consolation to be had there as both bottom-dwellers snagged some points.

Tonight is a pretty important game for both the morale of the tank and the morale of the playoff hopefuls. I'm gonna go ahead and give our game he 4-point asterices. There are two other 4-Pointers to watch tonight too. Should be fun!

Current Draft Seed: 10th

Boxscores to Watch:

*DAL vs MIN*
BUF vs NYR
OTT vs BOS
*PHI vs NJD*
*CBJ vs ARI*
 
McDavid Tank Watch

Count me impressed. Yeah they had a bit of a cupcake last night against a middling team in the second game of a back-to-back, but wow! 7-1. Wow. Coming off the heals of another 6-1 blowout of a really bad ARI, it looks like the Stars are making a statement: "We're not a basement team." The fact of the matter is that they shouldn't be. Everyone knows that they underperformed through a big chunk of this season and shouldn't be where they are today on paper. With this win, we crawl out of the bottom 10 with no points financed by the Wild.

Here's the deal: If the Stars win tonight, I will pull the plug on the McDavid Tank Watch unless we fall back into the bottom 10. If we lose, the MTW stays. Can they force a shutdown? Tonight, tonight, tonight oh-oooooooh. They can make it right tonight, tonight oh-ooooooooh.

Current Draft Seed: 11th

Boxscores to Watch:

***DAL vs CHI***
CAR vs BOS
OTT vs TBL
*CBJ vs COL*
EDM vs NYI
 
McDavid Tank Watch

Thanks to Kari "Big Moment" Lettinitin I've come back down to reality. When the big game is on the line, you can count on Kari to let in a softy. I've come back down to earth and remembered that even if this team can make the playoffs, we're likely goners in Round 1 with a goalie who doesn't instill confidence in me when things get serious. So for now, with last night's 4-leads blown blunder, I will keep the McDavid Tank Watch alive. i just don't think this team can get out of the 1st Round. Do I think the Stars are going to finish low enough to get a good draft pick...no, but one can still hope.

Draft Seed: 11th

Boxscores to Watch:

None
 
This whole conversation is dumb. Players don't tank, management puts their team in a position that is disadvantageous to winning. That is tanking.
 
McDavid Tank Watch

It is with some reluctance and a heavy heart that I continue the MTW. After giving up 4 leads and a typical Kari disappointment when it matters, my hand has been forced to temporarily continue the McDavid Tank Association of Disgruntled Stars Fans. Things are looking up, but the Stars still aren't out of the woods, especially with a Lindback start imminent.

We have quite the 4-point game tonight against another streaking and lucky team, CBJ, who is only slightly ahead in the McDavid-a-thon. They have put up Dallas like numbers over the last dozen games or so. Case in point, they were recently outshot by FL to the tune of 55-20 and somehow, someway, won the game. Astounding. They are long overdue for a reality check.

Draft Seed: 11th

Boxscores to Watch:

*DAL vs CBJ*
*BUF vs NJD*
*OTT vs PHI*
CAR vs NSH
MIN vs SJS
COL vs CHI
ARI vs STL
EDM vs DET
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)

Latest posts

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom