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Player Discussion William Nylander

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Dekes For Days said:
Yes, they have all played together, and both have spent most of their minutes with an elite player, so these attempts to act like Nylander has been so disadvantaged are pretty silly.
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But who have played with the most elite players. 1Matthews 2.Marner 3.Tavares 4. Nylander.

And Tavares and Nylanders style dont gel at all long stretches. Wich some blame Nylander for and some Tavares. I blame both. Same with Matthews Nylander.

I would have like
to see Nylanders stats if he had played with Marner as much as Matthews has. How many games has Marner/Matthews played with Holmberg or any of the other fourth liners vs Nylander?

Not everybody can play with Matthews or Marner. But they who dont automatic have a disadvantage.

With this is aint saying Nylander is better then Marner overall , but he is better then he seems.
 
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ZEBROA said:
And Tavares and Nylanders style dont gel at all long stretches.
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I mean, honestly, Nylander's style doesn't really gel with anybody. He doesn't work great with either Tavares or Mathews. Because Nylander's style isn't really all that much about utilizing teammates in the same way. That's not necessarily a bad thing inherently, but it makes this kind of discussion murky.

Sometimes, the best thing you can do for Nylander is give him a defensively responsible center, a winger with speed, and an easier matchup, and let him cheat a bit and do his cardio.
ZEBROA said:
I would have liked to see Nylanders stats if he had played with Marner as much as Matthews has.
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Marner and Nylander have shown some flashes together before, but aside from the whole playing the same position thing that makes putting them together difficult, the issue with those two together is that they both thrive on carrying the puck.
ZEBROA said:
How many games has Marner/Matthews played with Holmberg or any of the other fourth liners vs Nylander?
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Over the referenced 3 years, Nylander played with Holmberg for about 30 minutes more than Matthews and 50 minutes more than Marner. That's like 2-3 games over 3 years...
 
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Dekes For Days said:
I mean, honestly, Nylander's style doesn't really gel with anybody. He doesn't work great with either Tavares or Mathews. Because Nylander's style isn't really all that much about utilizing teammates in the same way. That's not necessarily a bad thing inherently, but it makes this kind of discussion murky.

Sometimes, the best thing you can do for Nylander is give him a defensively responsible center, a winger with speed, and an easier matchup, and let him cheat a bit and do his cardio.

Marner and Nylander have shown some flashes together before, but aside from the whole playing the same position thing that makes putting them together difficult, the issue with those two together is that they both thrive on carrying the puck.

Over the referenced 3 years, Nylander played with Holmberg for about 30 minutes more than Matthews and 50 minutes more than Marner. That's like 2-3 games over 3 years...
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Holmberg is just a 3rd 4rth line player exemple. He gets a lot of them . Nylander absoluty gel better with fast skilled give and go players. And great playmakers, like Backstrom and the likes. Would not hurt with Ds that can make breakaway passes.

Nylander could play on the left. Another positive would be that the Nylander vs Marner talk would probably cool down a bit.
 
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I'm guessing here but I believe Matthews 188 goals has generated quite a few more assists than Tavares 87 goals. I could be proven wrong, if he had 100 unassisted goals in that count?

I believe this is a math question, that requires no real debate.


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Dekes For Days said:
More? No. Primary assists help as much as goals though.
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Not all goals are assisted. Primary assists can help as much as goals. Sometimes less sometimes more, sometimes not at all.

You can get a primary assist and not even be on the ice when the puck cross the goal line.

One of my fav players P Forsberg was a playmaker, but i would rate him higher if he scored more goals.
 
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ZEBROA said:
Not all goals are assisted. Primary assists can help as much as goals. Sometimes less sometimes more, sometimes not at all.
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Most goals are assisted, and the unassisted ones obviously aren't the ones Marner/Nylander assisted on. Primary assists can be more or less valuable on any given goal, but every point type analysis concludes that, on average, they contribute to the goal as much as the last person to touch the puck.
ZEBROA said:
You can get a primary assist and not even be on the ice when the puck cross the goal line.
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Technically, you can also get a goal without being on the ice. Whether or not you're on the ice after your contribution doesn't change your contribution.
 
Dekes For Days said:
Most goals are assisted, and the unassisted ones obviously aren't the ones Marner/Nylander assisted on. Primary assists can be more or less valuable on any given goal, but every point type analysis concludes that, on average, they contribute to the goal as much as the last person to touch the puck.

Technically, you can also get a goal without being on the ice. Whether or not you're on the ice after your contribution doesn't change your contribution.
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Assists are only worth half as much per goal because there are 2 of them for most goals……..the math doesn’t lie
 
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Racer88 said:
Assists are only worth half as much per goal because there are 2 of them for most goals……..the math doesn’t lie
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That's.. not how math works... But also, there's only one primary assist per goal. So by your own logic, they're worth the same.
 
Racer88 said:
An assist is an assist and is totally different than a goal. You do not have to beat a giant goalie for an assist so naturally a goal is worth more
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You may not face the goalie, but you face 5 skaters on the ice. You're making arbitrary distinctions that don't define worth. An assist is different than a goal, but they (especially primary assists) are both valuable. A lot more contributes to a goal than just the shooting action itself.
 
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