Player Discussion William Nylander

[LeafEgo]

Yeah, especially when it was scored by Nylander and two 3rd. liners (being generous).

Willy had to play every role on that line tonight, can't be three places at once.

Swapping Willy and Marner makes so much sense it hurts. Marner would do better with the second line and Willy would do better with the first line, Matty would play a better game.

 

[ULF_55]

Willy had to play every role on that line tonight, can't be three places at once.

Swapping Willy and Marner makes so much sense it hurts. Marner would do better with the second line and Willy would do better with the first line, Matty would play a better game.

The one goal was scored based on quickness, and hand speed.

How did they score? He drove the net with speed and flicked in a great pass.

If he does a triple axel along the boards that doesn't happen.

 

[LeafEgo]

The one goal was scored based on quickness, and hand speed.

How did they score? He drove the net with speed and flicked in a great pass.

If he does a triple axel along the boards that doesn't happen.

Yeah but just generally Mitch can play playmaker on the second line, instead of trying to do everything. Create space and time for the lesser players and handle responsibilities. He would be better at getting them going.

Willy on the first line can share the workload - not enter the zone, get in position, be the shooter, make the plays, and get the puck back all by himself. And Matty typically gets more engaged away from Marner - hes more dangerous with pace and chaos.

 

[ACC1224]

Best Leafs tonight.

He was ok. He finished one that Holmberg put on a platter. Line didn’t generate much else it seemed. Thought the top line had way more chances.

 

[ULF_55]

He was ok. He finished one that Holmberg put on a platter. Line didn’t generate much else it seemed. Thought the top line had way more chances.

Looked like the first line couldn't find any space or time. Didn't look like they had a lot of control of the puck, probably just the Wild's style is playoffs style. No doubt they got some shots, but can't say they amounted to anything.

Matthews and Nylander's posts go the other way and who knows, maybe the Wild have to open it up?

Nylander moved the puck, carried the puck and made plays to his 3rd. and 4th. line mates.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Three goals in three games. Willy scored one and did all the work to set up another.

 

[ACC1224]

Looked like the first line couldn't find any space or time. Didn't look like they had a lot of control of the puck, probably just the Wild's style is playoffs style. No doubt they got some shots, but can't say they amounted to anything.

Matthews and Nylander's posts go the other way and who knows, maybe the Wild have to open it up?

Nylander moved the puck, carried the puck and made plays to his 3rd. and 4th. line mates.

Yep moved the puck around and played fine but at the end of the day didn't really accomplish much.
His only shot on net, Holmberg put on a platter for him.
Linemates don't help for sure, although Holmberg may have played his best game in awhile.
Domi is brutal.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Putting availability aside, over those three years Mitch got on average 12% more ice time, which would bring Willy to 100 pts (against 104 pts).

That's.. not how that works. Their ice time difference is primarily PK time. Through those years, Marner led Nylander 2.98 > 2.35 P/60 at 5v5 and 7.23 > 6.92 P/60 on the PP.

Then factor in goals vs assists (the game winning kind), quality of linemates, and post season play. Also defensive play, for as far as that takes a winger.

Marner had slightly better linemate quality (though Matthews and Tavares are both of their top two linemates at 5v5 and they play the same PP), but also faced tougher matchups and played tougher minutes, produced primary points better, played better defense, PKed, and played better in the playoffs.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Wearing a letter for Sweden

 

[ACC1224]

Wearing a letter for Sweden

He should, he's always been a good soldier for his National Team.

 

[Confucius]

You can think Nylander is being overpaid without all the rest. It is not a disaster when you are third in the league in scoring goals. I think you are the firat person I have read that said Nylander lacks talent.

Scoring goals at a 40+ pace for 3 straight years is going to get you paid. I didn't like the 11.5 myself as a winger who is not so great in his own end, but it's by no means a disaster.

Especially since it is only year one, years 3 to 8 will look cheaper and cheaper as the cap goes up, by year 8 William could be our best player and 6th highest paid,

 

[ULF_55]

Marner had slightly better linemate quality (though Matthews and Tavares are both of their top two linemates at 5v5 and they play the same PP), but also faced tougher matchups and played tougher minutes, produced primary points better, played better defense, PKed, and played better in the playoffs.

Who were the linemates?

I know people just like to throw out Matthews - marner, and Tavares - Nylander, but over the previous 5 years for example what are the actuals?

And I think 188 even strength goals is somewhat more than slightly better than 87 goals even strength goals? We can both agree right?

All 4 core forwards have played together, and coaching heavily impacts who they play against. Half the games are played with home team coach deciding who they play against. And match-ups, are not black-and-white home team - away team scenarios.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The talent to be a 11.5M (top 10 player) in the league.

He has never shown that ability outside of his dominant first half last year.

9th in goals and 12th in points over the last 2+ seasons - that looks pretty close to top 10, even without taking into consideration linemates.

You're really showing a bias here.