Player Discussion William Nylander

[BraveCanadian]

Cause it's totally the Nylander thread that's got a group of the most active posters on the board actively running a PR campaign for him and bending over backwards to debunk any criticism made against him.

/s I hope..

 

[ULF_55]

It's actually continuously brought up, despite being pretty meaningless. Looking exclusively at production relative to salary or regular season production is a way to pretend that Nylander is better in the playoffs than the others, despite that not being true.

So is saying Player X scores Y goals bothers some people?

Can you explain why?

 

[francis246]

So is saying Player X scores Y goals bothers some people?

Can you explain why?

The constant in fighting between fans on here between Nylander and Marner is just stupid to me. Who cares ultimately. We have both. Both are good at different things. Let’s just enjoy them while we have them.

Nylander is having a hell of a season might win a rocket.

 

[BraveCanadian]

The constant in fighting between fans on here between Nylander and Marner is just stupid to me. Who cares ultimately. We have both. Both are good at different things. Let’s just enjoy them while we have them.

Nylander is having a hell of a season might win a rocket.

Truth, and Nylander is hot right now that is for sure.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So is saying Player X scores Y goals bothers some people? Can you explain why?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Nobody is bothered by player x scoring y goals.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Cause it's totally the Nylander thread that's got a group of the most active posters on the board actively running a PR campaign for him and bending over backwards to debunk any criticism made against him.

People are saying he has a good contract

 

[arso40]

People are saying he has a good contract

Don’t think people are saying that more like he’s in year 1 of 8 so hold off on the negativity he out performed his last contract I believe he’s earned the opportunity to be judged after result not before

 

[ULF_55]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Nobody is bothered by player x scoring y goals.

Great.

So during his last contract he matched Matthews in goals during the playoffs.
No judgement, but they both lead the team in goals in the playoffs during Nylander's last contract.
Did it in 1 less game, while making $4.6mm less per year.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Great.
So during his last contract he matched Matthews in goals during the playoffs.
No judgement, but they both lead the team in goals in the playoffs during Nylander's last contract.
Did it in 1 less game, while making $4.6mm less per year.


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Great. But there's more to offensive impact and overall impact than just goal totals.

 

[Racer88]

Great. But there's more to offensive impact and overall impact than just goal totals.

Goals win games my brother………

 

[ULF_55]

Great. But there's more to offensive impact and overall impact than just goal totals.

I wasn't making a judgement or stating an opinion.

Just stating fact.

Most goals during that period.

Not sure where you are going with your post here?

 

[arso40]

I wasn't making a judgement or stating an opinion.

Just stating fact.

Most goals during that period.

Not sure where you are going with your post here?

I’d like to see where he’s going with this one

 

[DitchMarner]

He was great right before the break. I'd say he was the Leafs' best player against BUF and then obviously the most dangerous versus NYI.

He has a great shot and his goal scoring seems to continually improve, but I'd like to see more nice set-ups by him (like the ones in the BUF game). He has the puck skills, vision and passing to be an effective playmaker.

Hoping he stays in the Rocket race. If he can win or at least score 50 or so, that should be a successful season.

 

[DitchMarner]

I think some lumped Nylander in with the double digits for years, when he was 5th. on the team for compensation.

$7mm + 50% = 10.5mm

Last contract:

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Ugh. I didn't realize Tavares was quite that disappointing/poor in the playoffs. I mean, you have to think a guy like Kadri could have provided close to that level of production for quite a bit cheaper.

 

[nuck]

Great.

So during his last contract he matched Matthews in goals during the playoffs.
No judgement, but they both lead the team in goals in the playoffs during Nylander's last contract.
Did it in 1 less game, while making $4.6mm less per year.


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But aren't you still just comparing two fails? Being slightly less dead weight doesn't really move the needle. With a better coach and even slightly stronger goaltending the Leaf's last 5 years play out a lot differently and that's the thing. If your data sample is a whole bunch of first round losses, that only tells you who may have been slightly fresher or more prepared or healthier for the post season. Nobody has done anything noteworthy. Every year there are a whole bunch of players who had a ppg in the playoffs for one series that aren't in the conversation of being a top 20 player in the league. Its measuring nothing except which players are having a couple of good games or coach is finding the gaps first. Dinky and therefore unreliable samples.

 

[ULF_55]

But aren't you still just comparing two fails? Being slightly less dead weight doesn't really move the needle. With a better coach and even slightly stronger goaltending the Leaf's last 5 years play out a lot differently and that's the thing. If your data sample is a whole bunch of first round losses, that only tells you who may have been slightly fresher or more prepared or healthier for the post season. Nobody has done anything noteworthy. Every year there are a whole bunch of players who had a ppg in the playoffs for one series that aren't in the conversation of being a top 20 player in the league. Its measuring nothing except which players are having a couple of good games or coach is finding the gaps first. Dinky and therefore unreliable samples.

I was stating facts.

What are you talking about.

Double jointed?

 

[ULF_55]

Ugh. I didn't realize Tavares was quite that disappointing/poor in the playoffs. I mean, you have to think a guy like Kadri could have provided close to that level of production for quite a bit cheaper.

Might have an impact on linemates, but I'm not arguing that.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I wasn't making a judgement or stating an opinion. Just stating fact. Most goals during that period. Not sure where you are going with your post here?

I also just stated facts. Most goals during a period doesn't equal best player. The question is where you're trying to go with your post.

Goals win games my brother………

More factors into winning than just goals for, and more factors into goals than just the last person to touch the puck.

 

[arso40]

Yes, 18 goals over the past 41 playoffs games is not acceptable.

Especially, when you're making $7mm.

Can you imagine if he was doing that while being a Top 10 paid player?

Insane right ? lol these takes never cease to amaze

 

[notDatsyuk]

I wasn't making a judgement or stating an opinion.

Just stating fact.

Most goals during that period.

Not sure where you are going with your post here?

Down the rabbit hole as usual. Do yourself, and the rest of us, a favour and don't follow him.

 

[notDatsyuk]

But aren't you still just comparing two fails? Being slightly less dead weight doesn't really move the needle. With a better coach and even slightly stronger goaltending the Leaf's last 5 years play out a lot differently and that's the thing. If your data sample is a whole bunch of first round losses, that only tells you who may have been slightly fresher or more prepared or healthier for the post season. Nobody has done anything noteworthy. Every year there are a whole bunch of players who had a ppg in the playoffs for one series that aren't in the conversation of being a top 20 player in the league. Its measuring nothing except which players are having a couple of good games or coach is finding the gaps first. Dinky and therefore unreliable samples.

If you want to look at it as nothing more than "two fails", sure, but that means Matthews and Reeves are comparable players, as they both failed last year.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Goals win games my brother………

No, scoring more goals than you give up wins you games.

If I recall, at even strength Nylander is break even in the playoffs for goals for and against while he is on the ice.

 

[GoonieFace]

No, scoring more goals than you give up wins you games.

If I recall, at even strength Nylander is break even in the playoffs for goals for and against while he is on the ice.

Not defending him, but there are 4 other people on the ice plus the goalie

 

[kevsh]

In keeping with the holiday spirit of bold predictions for 2025, I'm going to predict Nylander wins the Rocket this year, narrowly beating out Draisaitl. (Leon has 24, Nylander and Kaprizov have 23, Reinhart 22 - so not some wild & crazy idea but it'll be a very close race in any event)

In part - this is the bad news - because Matthews continues to miss time for his mystery ailment and the heightened responsibility (incl. the trigger man on the PP) helps push Willie over the top.

 

[ULF_55]

No, scoring more goals than you give up wins you games.

If I recall, at even strength Nylander is break even in the playoffs for goals for and against while he is on the ice.

Should have kept Kerfoot.
Since 2014-2015 playoffs he is 2nd. for plus minus.