William Nylander has reached superstar status

[Nothingbutglass]

Lebrun polled other NHL front offices and range was from 1 saying starts with 12, 4 think 11, 6 say 10 and 1 less than 10.

 

[AuraSphere]

Nylander will get 11x7 as Ufa! Got stepmother treatment in Leafs for years, 2nd pp, less C and linemates most often while Money Mitch got overpaid big time with all the primetime and hot linemates.

Nylander need to get backpay from Toronto for outproducing his 6.9m contract big time

He can take over games at will, his zone entries is leuage top 3, hes a winner , saw it 1st time in Wc , when he got gold and Mvp.

He will wait out a Marner signing and not take a cent less!

Although I agree he probably wants to wait till off season and will demand that him and marner be given the same contract - you can't say he didn't have hot line mates.

For a lot of Willy's early years he's been paired with Matthews (it's been hyman - matthews - nylander for a large part). It's only as of the last 3 seasons its been Matthews-Marner

 

[The90]

The difference between a 20th place point finish and 7th was 22 points.

Admittedly the difference between 8th and 18th in goals that season was a mere 3 goals (didnt check until you mentioned). But the difference between his GPG last season and now is 18 goals.

My definitions of superstar is players like Kucherov, Draisatl, MacKinnon, etc. With the rise in scoring these past couple of years, I wouldn't say PPG is superstar tier, probably a tier or two below. If you wanna distinguish between star and superstar then I suppose Nylander is the former.

Lol I think that’s you splitting hairs between star and superstars

 

[Felidae]

Lol I think that’s you splitting hairs between star and superstars

I mean, if you want players that have been top 3 in scoring for multiple seasons to be under the same "superstar" category as PPG players, then all the power to you.

But most people would put them in different categories. Hence the "splitting g hairs" between star and superstar.

 

[Felidae]

I’m not sure why he would need to maintain this pace, I don’t know if anyone is expecting him to score more than 120 points this season, it’s more about whether this level of play is sustainable not the current pace he’s on.

fair enough but I think my initial argument also applies to level of play.

He’s going to run into slumps eventually and have off nights like everyone else but if he can play like he has 75-80% of the time (something like that seems about right for how often most elite players bring their A game) then we’re looking at a player capable of 100+ points and who knows where his ceiling is (I would personally cut it off at 110-115) but there’s no doubt in my mind atleast we’re looking at a fully capable 50 goal 100 point scorer who dominates in transition and all over the offensive zone.

Again, fair. I don't think it's unreasonable to have reservations on whether he can sustain his level of play to the point he can have that type of production and goalscoring though.

But 100 certainly is much more likely than his current pace. Just based on what I've read from leafs fans and my own very limited viewings, I'm actually a bit surprised he's "only" topped out at 87 points so far

Then next season is all about trying to bring that level again and hope it’s not just a Gaudreau or Huberdeau situation.

Yeah, imo a bit of consistency (at the very least 2 seasons) and the superstar label starts to fit.

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Also looking at a superstar contract 12 million plus.

 

[johan f]

Agree about Crosby. Gretzky is possibly the only player still living who might fit that characterization in the U.S., but of course professional hockey here is no higher than the sixth most visible sport, after professional and college football and basketball, and MLB.

You have still not understood the terms WITHIN hockey. Being a superstar in a sport is not the same criteria as being a moviestar. I think you are new into hockey and use general celebs as measurestick.

 

[authentic]

fair enough but I think my initial argument also applies to level of play.

Again, fair. I don't think it's unreasonable to have reservations on whether he can sustain his level of play to the point he can have that type of production and goalscoring though.

But 100 certainly is much more likely than his current pace. Just based on what I've read from leafs fans and my own very limited viewings, I'm actually a bit surprised he's "only" topped out at 87 points so far


Yeah, imo a bit of consistency (at the very least 2 seasons) and the superstar label starts to fit.

That’s what happens when you don’t get 1st powerplay time and play with Tavares (not an elite ES scorer) instead of Marner or Matthews.

 

[Macbanan]

Didn't really like his comments on a swedish talkshow about this year being so important.

Everyone is free to interpret how they please but to me it came across as basically admitting playing for a new contract is the focus. To reach superstar status you have to dominate outside your contract year, and I'm a bit sceptical about that.

 

[Daishi]

Didn't really like his comments on a swedish talkshow about this year being so important.

Everyone is free to interpret how they please but to me it came across as basically admitting playing for a new contract is the focus. To reach superstar status you have to dominate outside your contract year, and I'm a bit sceptical about that.

He will start mailing it in next season. This year's 100+ points to next year's 75, then a perennial 50 point player. It's in his genes. He plays for money. And there's nothing wrong with that, of course. Leafs will look like geniuses if they trade him.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Nylander will get 11x7 as Ufa! Got stepmother treatment in Leafs for years, 2nd pp, less C and linemates most often while Money Mitch got overpaid big time with all the primetime and hot linemates.

Nylander need to get backpay from Toronto for outproducing his 6.9m contract big time

He can take over games at will, his zone entries is leuage top 3, hes a winner , saw it 1st time in Wc , when he got gold and Mvp.

He will wait out a Marner signing and not take a cent less!

Literally none of this is true (except probably the salary - I think you might even be low). Marner was outperforming him at the time big time, and if I had to make a bet, I'd say he will this year as well when it all washes out. Nylander was just the first guy in the current core to get paid so of course the contract was less. It was just bad timing for him, nothing more. The GM at the time (Dubas) literally said Nylander would never be traded as long as he's GM. How on Earth is that mother-in-law treatment?

BTW, I treat my mother-in-law like a saint. (please tell her I said that)

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Literally none of this is true (except probably the salary - I think you might even be low). Marner was outperforming him at the time big time, and if I had to make a bet, I'd say he will this year as well when it all washes out. Nylander was just the first guy in the current core to get paid so of course the contract was less. It was just bad timing for him, nothing more. The GM at the time (Dubas) literally said Nylander would never be traded as long as he's GM. How on Earth is that mother-in-law treatment?

BTW, I treat my mother-in-law like a saint. (please tell her I said that)

Excluding all the marketing efforts trying to paint Marner as the saviour of Toronto and Matthews as a better player than McDavid, you also have Nylander playing 2nd line PP mins, being in trade talks among Canadian media, not making the cut when Toronto picks 7-8 players to represent the leafs in a banner….there’s more, but who cares. Give home here!

 

[BaconNater]

I feel bad that Willy won't get his chance at the cup or a legit payday in Toronto due to the selfishness and ego of Marner and Matthews

 

[aylib]

Yeah, in Toronto.

 

[McClelland]

Literally none of this is true (except probably the salary - I think you might even be low). Marner was outperforming him at the time big time, and if I had to make a bet, I'd say he will this year as well when it all washes out. Nylander was just the first guy in the current core to get paid so of course the contract was less. It was just bad timing for him, nothing more. The GM at the time (Dubas) literally said Nylander would never be traded as long as he's GM. How on Earth is that mother-in-law treatment?

BTW, I treat my mother-in-law like a saint. (please tell her I said that)

Marner litterary had a monsterseason(in points) when Tavares first arrived.

Hasnt been much in difference between their. talents in their careers. Marner racks up points in pp and pondhockey games, Nylander the driver,has been inconsistent,but had to change linemates to much, Played with Kadri alot at times as his C.

The Org has always sat Marner first between the 2, when the MM/Jt line got cold, MM got AM back, has been like that over the years. Cant do much with30 sec of 2nd pp. MM and AM has had their coaches in their hand(except Babcock).

Nylander has played 2nd fiddle over the years in much harder environment, where MM has had a smoth path with the hottest C at the moment. When AM has been injured MM gets JT back and WN the 3rd C. Has also played 3rd C .

Dubas gave MM 10.9 and the rest of the leauge was in shock. He gave W.N 6.9M and he sat to cristmas for it.

Heard a guy who left his wife for his Mother in law, watch up!

 

[Strangle]

He's worth it


80 points 2 years ago
87 points and 40 goals last year
25 points, 11 goals in 16 games this year

It's not just 16 games sample. Also if you watched the games you'd see how much he's dominating, these aren't flukey points.

Willy has certainly been on this kind of trajectory to anyone paying attention

 

[Strangle]

Mr. Styles on a Swedish talkshow.

Did he lose his sleeves?

 

[nturn06]

It's almost like he is in a contract year.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Marner litterary had a monsterseason(in points) when Tavares first arrived.

Hasnt been much in difference between their. talents in their careers. Marner racks up points in pp and pondhockey games, Nylander the driver,has been inconsistent,but had to change linemates to much, Played with Kadri alot at times as his C.

The Org has always sat Marner first between the 2, when the MM/Jt line got cold, MM got AM back, has been like that over the years. Cant do much with30 sec of 2nd pp. MM and AM has had their coaches in their hand(except Babcock).

Nylander has played 2nd fiddle over the years in much harder environment, where MM has had a smoth path with the hottest C at the moment. When AM has been injured MM gets JT back and WN the 3rd C. Has also played 3rd C .

Dubas gave MM 10.9 and the rest of the leauge was in shock. He gave W.N 6.9M and he sat to cristmas for it.

Heard a guy who left his wife for his Mother in law, watch up!

Nylander's been tried many times alongside Matthews. Tavares' best season as a Leaf was when him and Marner were teamed up almost the whole season (and Nylander with Matthews). They moved Marner back to Matthews' line to get him going the next season and Tavares' production fell off. Marner was the superior player when Nylander signed his latest deal plus Nylander signed a year earlier and before Matthews got paid his monster deal. All of this factors into the disparity between what Nylander got paid vs. what Marner got paid. It's going to be different very soon so don't worry about Willie.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Marner litterary had a monsterseason(in points) when Tavares first arrived.

Hasnt been much in difference between their. talents in their careers. Marner racks up points in pp and pondhockey games, Nylander the driver,has been inconsistent,but had to change linemates to much, Played with Kadri alot at times as his C.

The Org has always sat Marner first between the 2, when the MM/Jt line got cold, MM got AM back, has been like that over the years. Cant do much with30 sec of 2nd pp. MM and AM has had their coaches in their hand(except Babcock).

Nylander has played 2nd fiddle over the years in much harder environment, where MM has had a smoth path with the hottest C at the moment. When AM has been injured MM gets JT back and WN the 3rd C. Has also played 3rd C .

Dubas gave MM 10.9 and the rest of the leauge was in shock. He gave W.N 6.9M and he sat to cristmas for it.

Heard a guy who left his wife for his Mother in law, watch up!

When Marner had his first career point per game plus period (over an 82 game stretch), 3/4 of that was prior to Tavares arriving, when Kadri was his linemate.

He will start mailing it in next season. This year's 100+ points to next year's 75, then a perennial 50 point player. It's in his genes. He plays for money. And there's nothing wrong with that, of course. Leafs will look like geniuses if they trade him.

Apart from his 50 game season, he has always been (or paced) as a 60+ guy. Not likely to regress to a 50 pt guy.

 

[goldnblack]

Leaf fans, how you think they play this? 34M cap space, need a G, 5D, 7F basically?

Do they trade away Tavares with some money retained and give Willy 12M? Or do they sign a bunch of 1M players for 1 year, give Willy 12M, and punt this till Tavares is a UFA?

 

[Strangle]

Leaf fans, how you think they play this? 34M cap space, need a G, 5D, 7F basically?

Do they trade away Tavares with some money retained and give Willy 12M? Or do they sign a bunch of 1M players for 1 year, give Willy 12M, and punt this till Tavares is a UFA?

I don’t think it’s very important, I think the NHL has become an obsession with cap over hockey.

I’ve learned to just ignore the cap, the league will never allow an NHL team to be over the cap, whatever shenanigans needs to happen, will happen.

I do think the NHL will be massively inequitable in the near future unless the NHL fixes their cap. Meaning the stars will make more than 10x as much as the rest of the league. Mid-level contracts will disappear, and the very few will make 50-60% of the cap while the rest make peanuts in comparison.

I’ve just learned to ignore the cap and enjoy the talent

 

[HockeyVirus]

Leaf fans, how you think they play this? 34M cap space, need a G, 5D, 7F basically?

Do they trade away Tavares with some money retained and give Willy 12M? Or do they sign a bunch of 1M players for 1 year, give Willy 12M, and punt this till Tavares is a UFA?

Next year will be a transition year most likely but Tavares is off the books so I mean, they are fine. They are currently commited to basically Matthews, Nylander (in this scenario), Rielly, and Kampf with Knies, Robertson, Woll as ELC players.

Tons of flexibility in how they allocate their cap.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Leaf fans, how you think they play this? 34M cap space, need a G, 5D, 7F basically?

Do they trade away Tavares with some money retained and give Willy 12M? Or do they sign a bunch of 1M players for 1 year, give Willy 12M, and punt this till Tavares is a UFA?

Having paid Tavares his big money and made him captain, going forward we get him to agree to the Spezza deal, sign Willy then McDavid. Watch HF melt down.

LOL

 

[PaulD]

O'Neil on Jay Onrait "in Toronto is it about these guys getting boat loads of money and points or is it about the team winning a championship"