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Great vid, just missing that breakaway goal in game one of the playoffs against Boston a few years back.

I like Cherry, but that was some incredibly bad analysis at the start of the video. In hindsight, quite possibly one of the worst takes I've ever heard (especially now that we've seen so much Ritchie this season).
 
Rewatched the last game ...been doing that a lot lately.
I counted enough solid opportunities for willy that game to have given him 4 points with a bit more luck. I always said this team needs him to be good to win and they are getting it. It looks like his conditioning has stepped up a notch too.
 
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axman15 said:
Great vid, just missing that breakaway goal in game one of the playoffs against Boston a few years back.

I like Cherry, but that was some incredibly bad analysis at the start of the video. In hindsight, quite possibly one of the worst takes I've ever heard (especially now that we've seen so much Ritchie this season).
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Don Cherry dislikes any player not from Canada, to some degree he likes US players as well. He disrespected every European in the NHL for years, not even attempting to pronounce there last name correctly. Its very toxic witnessing this, im glad he is off the air.

Nylander has the best value on his contract on the Leafs team, excellent selection.
 
Notsince67 said:
Rewatched the last game ...been doing that a lot lately.
I counted enough solid opportunities for willy that game to have given him 4 points with a bit more luck. I always said this team needs him to be good to win and they are getting it. It looks like his conditioning has stepped up a notch too.
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He's always had great conditioning. I believe he finished highest in the cardiovascular testing at the 2014 draft combine...since then he's gotten pretty jacked as well.
 
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Willy Stylez said:
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Amazing hearing some of the crap the media spewed in that clip. Heard Cherry, Sid, Mike in Buffalo and another voice I couldn't quite recognize say absolute shit about him. It's very easy to see how the toxicity of the media leaks into the fanbase. Surprised we didn't hear shit from Kypreos in there.

It's very easy for one media member to say Willy sucks or another say they absolutely need to draft Braden Schneider and then a huge chunk of the fanbase follow those messages like sheep.
 
Sundinisagod said:
He's always had great conditioning. I believe he finished highest in the cardiovascular testing at the 2014 draft combine...since then he's gotten pretty jacked as well.
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He was taking himself off shifts early last year. Getting jacked has short term implications cardio wise .
 
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Sundinisagod said:
Without adjusting for cap % (Marner signed a year later under a higher cap) id say a million more for Nylander and 2 million less for Marner.
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So you realize that Marner already has more post contract points than Nylander with a season less, right?
 
Sundinisagod said:
I've acknowledged that the gap used to be bigger, I'm saying currently Nylander is a lot closer to Marner than he used to be.
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Sure but Nylander has seasoned a year longer and Nylander still isn't trending as good a marner from last year. Let's see what the distance is this year at the end. Don't get me wrong. Nylanders cap hit is very favorable right now but that isnt how cap averages work. He is into his 4th of 6 years. It was inevitable that he would show some level of improvement relative to the 6 year average of his contract.
I hate doing Marner vs Nylander comparisons. I know people think the gap is shrinking (and I agree). The problem is that the moment Marner surpasses Nylander this year in points (I would be shocked if he didn't), we will start seeing the anti-Nylander comments start again because there are a ton of trolls on this forum.
 
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He's not better than Marner but he's definitely much, much closer than their salaries would indicate.
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He's outscoring him since before last years playoffs, but yes even if Marner returns to form they're much closer than their contracts.
 
Notsince67 said:
Sure but Nylander has seasoned a year longer and Nylander still isn't trending as good a marner from last year. Let's see what the distance is this year at the end. Don't get me wrong. Nylanders cap hit is very favorable right now but that isnt how cap averages work. He is into his 4th of 6 years. It was inevitable that he would show some level of improvement relative to the 6 year average of his contract.
I hate doing Marner vs Nylander comparisons. I know people think the gap is shrinking (and I agree). The problem is that the moment Marner surpasses Nylander this year in points (I would be shocked if he didn't), we will start seeing the anti-Nylander comments start again because there are a ton of trolls on this forum.
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I think the diff between Willie now and before is he is either very invisible or very dominant, where as this season, if Willie didn’t put up any points or didn’t have jumps, he still plays really solid and noticeable in his back check and little things. Not saying he didn’t have bad games bc he did have a few this season just like any players in the NHL.
 
Gabriel426 said:
I think the diff between Willie now and before is he is either very invisible or very dominant, where as this season, if Willie didn’t put up any points or didn’t have jumps, he still plays really solid and noticeable in his back check and little things. Not saying he didn’t have bad games bc he did have a few this season just like any players in the NHL.
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Totally consistently solid. His mind is in a good place
 
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Notsince67 said:
Sure but Nylander has seasoned a year longer and Nylander still isn't trending as good a marner from last year. Let's see what the distance is this year at the end. Don't get me wrong. Nylanders cap hit is very favorable right now but that isnt how cap averages work. He is into his 4th of 6 years. It was inevitable that he would show some level of improvement relative to the 6 year average of his contract.
I hate doing Marner vs Nylander comparisons. I know people think the gap is shrinking (and I agree). The problem is that the moment Marner surpasses Nylander this year in points (I would be shocked if he didn't), we will start seeing the anti-Nylander comments start again because there are a ton of trolls on this forum.
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Sorry I’m not exactly sure what you mean about Nylander not trending as good as Marner from last year? To my eyes, Nylander has improved more from last season than Marner has. Nylander was more of “diamond in the rough” type, despite being more physically mature.

I don’t think we’ll be seeing anti-Nylander comments unless his play took a huge drop, say a sub 60 point pace. Due to his cap hit I think the expectations are not nearly as high as they are for Marner or Matthews. I haven’t seen much hate at all for Nylander aside from the first year of his post elc contract.
 
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Sundinisagod said:
Sorry I’m not exactly sure what you mean about Nylander not trending as good as Marner from last year? To my eyes, Nylander has improved more from last season than Marner has. Nylander was more of “diamond in the rough” type, despite being more physically mature.

I don’t think we’ll be seeing anti-Nylander comments unless his play took a huge drop, say a sub 60 point pace. Due to his cap hit I think the expectations are not nearly as high as they are for Marner or Matthews. I haven’t seen much hate at all for Nylander aside from the first year of his post elc contract.
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Marner had 67 points in 55 games which is around 100 point pace in the second year of his contract. My point is that Nylander has yet to reach anywhere near that level in his 4th. If Nylander can maintain around a point a game this year, it would be a massive improvement. A 1 million gap is hardly a fair delineation
 
I wouldn’t put too much stock in last year’s inflated numbers. Firstly, it was pace, secondly the division was much weaker. We can all see that putting up points this season is much harder. Fwiw, I did say 1 million plus an adjustment for salary cap %. Also, I am comparing them in the here and now. Let’s not turn this into a Nylander vs Marner thread, it will only devolve into a Marner hate thread, we’re better off going back to praising Willy.

edit, meant to quote @Notsince67 second last post about Marner’s 100 point pace last season.
 
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