Nathaniel Skywalker
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option 4.... if you dont like a poll then IGNORE ITNeeds option 3, who cares?
And this poll has 11 votes after just 15 minutes? Seems awfully high to me. Odd.
Not only that but racking up points like that in junior just doesn't happen any more like it idt did in the Q that year or in that era, complete different dynamics in the league and in junior hockey back then.Can't imagine so, no. He played in one of the highest scoring eras in hockey, and was one of the most talented players ever, while also having a physical advantage over most everyone else on the ice.
Suppose there were an NHL lockout in 15/16 and McDavid for some reason decides to play another season with the Otters instead of going to play literally anywhere else. He would have had to increase his P/G by 1.5 points per game compared to the previous season to eclipse Lemieux, while also playing 70 games. And he's probably the best player offensively since Lemieux.
Mario was the most individually dominant player ever, especially in junior. He could have gone back for two more junior years but came to the nhl and dominated there too. It’s incredible how he dominated junior as an 18 year old. His junior records for points in one year will never be broken.
Was it Ray Ferraro who scored over 100 goals one year in the WHL?
I think you can argue Crosby was more dominant in junior than Lemieux.Mario was the most individually dominant player ever, especially in junior. He could have gone back for two more junior years but came to the nhl and dominated there too. It’s incredible how he dominated junior as an 18 year old. His junior records for points in one year will never be broken.
Was it Ray Ferraro who scored over 100 goals one year in the WHL?
Lemieux also played the first 9 games as a 17 year old. He was a young 18 during the seasonI think you can argue Crosby was more dominant in junior than Lemieux.
In terms of 282 pts, it's hard to imagine that being broken simply because change in the game overall, but also due to star players simply not playing that many games. In terms of dominance though, Mario had 282pts in 70 games that year, #2 had 170pts in 62 games. On a PPG basis, Mario was 47% better. Dominant for sure, but Lafleur had 209pts in 62 games in the 70s, #2 had 144pts in 62 games, 45% difference....so Mario's dominance doesn't look quite as crazy in comparison. Then, with Crosby, he had 168pts in 62 games and #2 had 116pts in 69 games, that's a PPG difference of 61% in Crosby's favour. EDIT: for what it's worth, Crosby did this in his 2nd year of the Q vs. Mario in his 3rd year....Crosby was almost 1 year younger.....birthday thing that allowed Mario to play 3 years as he would have been just several days too young to miss cut-off for draft the year before.
Also, I don't think we need to reference Lemieux doing it as an 18 year as making that much more impressive because the VERY BEST wouldn't be in junior past 18 anyway. That said, I do discount some big stats in juniors from guys that are 19 or 20 because you never know what the best of the best would be scoring at that age in junior because they had already moved on to the NHL at that age.
That's part of the problem. Most of the elite guys who might have the potential to do it will miss 8-10 games for the WJC. And that's assuming they don't miss 1 or 2 due to injury.Doubtful do high end players even play 70 games anymore?