Will lemieux's 282P in 70GP CHL record ever be broken?

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Was thinking of unbeatable sport records. Can this ever be beaten?

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[Sasha Orlov]

Will Gretzky’s 517 pts in 85 games in atom ever be broken?

 

[McPoyle]

Needs option 3, who cares?

And this poll has 11 votes after just 15 minutes? Seems awfully high to me. Odd.

 

[amnesiac]

Needs option 3, who cares?

And this poll has 11 votes after just 15 minutes? Seems awfully high to me. Odd.

option 4.... if you dont like a poll then IGNORE IT

 

[joestevens29]

Doubtful do high end players even play 70 games anymore?

 

[SpezDispenser]

Jfc, 282 in 70 games??

 

[BLNY]

Not without hockey going to 6 on 6 and no goalies.

 

[blundluntman]

Hypothetically yeah, practically? Probably not in my lifetime I’d imagine

 

[Romang67]

Can't imagine so, no. He played in one of the highest scoring eras in hockey, and was one of the most talented players ever, while also having a physical advantage over most everyone else on the ice.

Suppose there were an NHL lockout in 15/16 and McDavid for some reason decides to play another season with the Otters instead of going to play literally anywhere else. He would have had to increase his P/G by 1.5 points per game compared to the previous season to eclipse Lemieux, while also playing 70 games. And he's probably the best player offensively since Lemieux.

 

[wetcoast]

Can't imagine so, no. He played in one of the highest scoring eras in hockey, and was one of the most talented players ever, while also having a physical advantage over most everyone else on the ice.

Suppose there were an NHL lockout in 15/16 and McDavid for some reason decides to play another season with the Otters instead of going to play literally anywhere else. He would have had to increase his P/G by 1.5 points per game compared to the previous season to eclipse Lemieux, while also playing 70 games. And he's probably the best player offensively since Lemieux.

Not only that but racking up points like that in junior just doesn't happen any more like it idt did in the Q that year or in that era, complete different dynamics in the league and in junior hockey back then.

As an aside Mario was very ordinary in the memorial cup that year and hockey futures been around some cranks would have been screaming bust no doubt.

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[Fatass]

Mario was the most individually dominant player ever, especially in junior. He could have gone back for two more junior years but came to the nhl and dominated there too. It’s incredible how he dominated junior as an 18 year old. His junior records for points in one year will never be broken.
Was it Ray Ferraro who scored over 100 goals one year in the WHL?

 

[Miro4Norris]

That record happened what, 35 years ago? I can easily see it being breaken in next 350 years

 

[NyQuil]

Forever is a long time.

 

[Rafafouille]

Not in this current setting. Junior leagues are playing 68 games now. Remove the games missed for the WJC and you're looking at mid 50s. You'd need to be on a 350pts pace in 70 games to make it to 282 in 57.

 

[Beau Knows]

Will it be broken? I'd say probably not anytime soon.

Can it be broken one day? Sure why not?

 

[Voight]

Mario was the most individually dominant player ever, especially in junior. He could have gone back for two more junior years but came to the nhl and dominated there too. It’s incredible how he dominated junior as an 18 year old. His junior records for points in one year will never be broken.
Was it Ray Ferraro who scored over 100 goals one year in the WHL?

FWIW LaFontaine was 18 the year before and scored 234 points in 70 games, 35 points in 15 playoff games and 5 points in 4 Memorial Cup games.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Pierre Larouche came a lot closer to this record than you’d expect, with 251 points in only 67 games. At that pace he would have had 262 in 70, and who knows what happens if he’s chasing a record and starts getting fed pucks even more (Larouche played a decade before Lemieux, so it was Mario who chased and surpassed Pierre).

I think it could indeed happen, and not necessarily by a GOAT-level player. It would depend a lot on the scoring/defensive environment of the league… with all due respect to the Q, that’s the place you expect to see these things happen.

 

[Canovin]

No. Lemieux was the best to ever do it in the CHL

 

[Toby91ca]

Mario was the most individually dominant player ever, especially in junior. He could have gone back for two more junior years but came to the nhl and dominated there too. It’s incredible how he dominated junior as an 18 year old. His junior records for points in one year will never be broken.
Was it Ray Ferraro who scored over 100 goals one year in the WHL?

I think you can argue Crosby was more dominant in junior than Lemieux.

In terms of 282 pts, it's hard to imagine that being broken simply because change in the game overall, but also due to star players simply not playing that many games. In terms of dominance though, Mario had 282pts in 70 games that year, #2 had 170pts in 62 games. On a PPG basis, Mario was 47% better. Dominant for sure, but Lafleur had 209pts in 62 games in the 70s, #2 had 144pts in 62 games, 45% difference....so Mario's dominance doesn't look quite as crazy in comparison. Then, with Crosby, he had 168pts in 62 games and #2 had 116pts in 69 games, that's a PPG difference of 61% in Crosby's favour. EDIT: for what it's worth, Crosby did this in his 2nd year of the Q vs. Mario in his 3rd year....Crosby was almost 1 year younger.....birthday thing that allowed Mario to play 3 years as he would have been just several days too young to miss cut-off for draft the year before.

Also, I don't think we need to reference Lemieux doing it as an 18 year as making that much more impressive because the VERY BEST wouldn't be in junior past 18 anyway. That said, I do discount some big stats in juniors from guys that are 19 or 20 because you never know what the best of the best would be scoring at that age in junior because they had already moved on to the NHL at that age.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I think you can argue Crosby was more dominant in junior than Lemieux.

In terms of 282 pts, it's hard to imagine that being broken simply because change in the game overall, but also due to star players simply not playing that many games. In terms of dominance though, Mario had 282pts in 70 games that year, #2 had 170pts in 62 games. On a PPG basis, Mario was 47% better. Dominant for sure, but Lafleur had 209pts in 62 games in the 70s, #2 had 144pts in 62 games, 45% difference....so Mario's dominance doesn't look quite as crazy in comparison. Then, with Crosby, he had 168pts in 62 games and #2 had 116pts in 69 games, that's a PPG difference of 61% in Crosby's favour. EDIT: for what it's worth, Crosby did this in his 2nd year of the Q vs. Mario in his 3rd year....Crosby was almost 1 year younger.....birthday thing that allowed Mario to play 3 years as he would have been just several days too young to miss cut-off for draft the year before.

Also, I don't think we need to reference Lemieux doing it as an 18 year as making that much more impressive because the VERY BEST wouldn't be in junior past 18 anyway. That said, I do discount some big stats in juniors from guys that are 19 or 20 because you never know what the best of the best would be scoring at that age in junior because they had already moved on to the NHL at that age.

Lemieux also played the first 9 games as a 17 year old. He was a young 18 during the season

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Doubtful do high end players even play 70 games anymore?

That's part of the problem. Most of the elite guys who might have the potential to do it will miss 8-10 games for the WJC. And that's assuming they don't miss 1 or 2 due to injury.

Add to that, Mario was a late birthdate so he was drafted the year he was turning 19. The most recent guys who were thought of as "the next one" like Crosby and McDavid graduated to the NHL after their 17/18 year old season. Crosby, for instance, had 168 points in 62 games in his "18 year old" season. Lemieux had 184 points in 66 games in his. We never saw Sid's 18/19 year old season to know how much (if at all) he would have built on his 168 point season.

So it would take a really special case of circumstances for it to happen.

 

[wedge]

Wondering how mant Gretzky would have gotten had he not played in the WHA at 17.

Still, there's no way it will ever be broken. Who's the last one that got 200?

 

[spiny norman]

Lopsided result.