Will dubas ever try a major trade?

[Racer88]

Just in the playoffs I meant when nobody was generating anything

Oh. Lol

 

[The90]

I don't consider 20 minute a night players as "depth"
Sandin & Thornton got a PP goal each
Galch, Engvall, Foligno, Simmonds, Brooks, Mikheyev & Kerfoot combined for 1 goal.

You are correct that the top end forwards (aside from Nylander) didn't perform, and I would also say the depth forwards (aside from Spezza) didn't either.

Then our definition of depth isn’t the same. Muzzin has scored between 5-10 goals every year of his career. He’s not counted on offensively. Gets no powerplay time and mostly d zone starts on the middle pairing. That’s literally a depth player.

Brodie plays a lot but again, no powerplay, no goals. If you want to exclude them go for it. I stick with them being depth players.

 

[rumman]

I feel like Dubas likes to make deals more than most Toronto GMs I'm the past.. he may even turnover things too quickly. He seems to be always be on the look out for a diamond in the rough too... ex Malgin, Petan.

Campbell trade while in SOO show he's not afraid of crazy trades.

Marchment says hi.

 

[Menzinger]

Marchment says hi.

He has 13 career NHL points. Not sure I'd call him a diamond just yet

 

[rumman]

He has 13 career NHL points. Not sure I'd call him a diamond just yet

Better than what he was traded for though.

 

[justloveleafs]

I was a way too huge, leafs fan. Started losing interest some time ago.

Always thought, we had the worst uniform in sport history. But the cement, was hiring a guy who looks like the guy you beat up first recess in the morning, for looking so dweeb.

Who cares what this org does any more. I mean you have to be kinda off kilter to care about this franchise.

 

[Stonehands1990]

He has 13 career NHL points. Not sure I'd call him a diamond just yet

We have so few physical prospects why trade him at all?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Better than what he was traded for though.

He's not though.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Then our definition of depth isn’t the same. Muzzin has scored between 5-10 goals every year of his career. He’s not counted on offensively. Gets no powerplay time and mostly d zone starts on the middle pairing. That’s literally a depth player.

Brodie plays a lot but again, no powerplay, no goals. If you want to exclude them go for it. I stick with them being depth players.

How can Brodie be a depth player? He’s on the 1st D pair

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Agree. But only Because he doesn’t produce in the playoffs. But if he maintained the same ppg In The playoffs we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

No he's overpaid period.
No buts.

 

[Torontonian]

Dubas: Fairly simply, I understand that some may look at it and say this group hasn’t gotten it done, thus why there has to be changes. For better or worse, I believe in this group. I believe that they are going to get it done and that they are going to win.
I understand that this comes with certain doubt because we have not broken through in the playoffs, but it is my belief that they will. I believe in them as players. I believe in them as people. I know that the decision lies on me and the risk is for me in going ahead that way.
I am comfortable with it. I believe we are going to see the best version of this group next season that we have seen yet. I am willing to bet everything on that.


The balls on this man pretty much saying, I won't trade anyone and if you want any of them traded you will have to fire me. Might be a mistake but I respect the balls and willingness to win his way.

Lets see if it cost him his job at the end of the season.

 

[Mancunian]

Dubas: Fairly simply, I understand that some may look at it and say this group hasn’t gotten it done, thus why there has to be changes. For better or worse, I believe in this group. I believe that they are going to get it done and that they are going to win.
I understand that this comes with certain doubt because we have not broken through in the playoffs, but it is my belief that they will. I believe in them as players. I believe in them as people. I know that the decision lies on me and the risk is for me in going ahead that way.
I am comfortable with it. I believe we are going to see the best version of this group next season that we have seen yet. I am willing to bet everything on that.


The balls on this man pretty much saying, I won't trade anyone and if you want any of them traded you will have to fire me. Might be a mistake but I respect the balls and willingness to win his way.

Lets see if it cost him his job at the end of the season.

There is such a fine line between balls/confidence and delusion. Fastforward one year and Dubas will be fired and the Leafs will hopefully do what needs to be done with the players. Such a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Aashir]

We're absolutely STACKED with 7th rounders.

Way to go Dubas!

You didn’t hear?
Doug Henrik Joseph Stralman is certain to land with Toronto. He’ll be a selke winner on mondays and Wednesday’s, a Ross hart and lindsay winner on Tuesdays and thursdays, and a Norris winner on the weekend

 

[kliq]

We seen from lots of successful teams sometimes you need a minor shake up but will this gm even try it? I mean one the top 4 or a D not trading away 1st or 2nd round picks or career minor leaguers.

As a wings fan, the best example of this was ironically when we acquired Shanny for Primeau and Coffey back in 96. When those trades work out, it’s amazing, but trading one of your core to shake things up can also turn into a Tyler Seguin for Louie Erickson situation.

 

[Gordy Elbows]

Making big trades.....seriously? Dubas talked about staying the course....winning with this roster....getting further next year.
Drink the koolade....golf season starts next April.

 

[yubbers]

Nope. Gonna waste another year of AM

Dubas 'willing to bet everything' on Leafs core

 

[egd27]

Nope. Gonna waste another year of AM

Dubas 'willing to bet everything' on Leafs core

It's comical that our best shot at keeping Mathews may very well be Justin Bieber.

 

[yubbers]

It's comical that our best shot at keeping Mathews may very well be Justin Bieber.

The 5 year deal showed he wasn't sure about staying. Naming JT captain ensured it won't happen. And MLSE just let a rookie GM waste the best opportunity this franchise has had in decades.

I was convinced after the Habs loss I'd be watching hockey again cause Dubas would surely get canned. Another year of no hockey not worth my time with this dumpster fire

 

[egd27]

The 5 year deal showed he wasn't sure about staying. Naming JT captain ensured it won't happen. And MLSE just let a rookie GM waste the best opportunity this franchise has had in decades.

I was convinced after the Habs loss I'd be watching hockey again cause Dubas would surely get canned. Another year of no hockey not worth my time with this dumpster fire

Agreed.

Dubas lack of experience and foresight as to how the JT signing would impact the franchise in so many areas may very well have been the fatal blow to the chances of this era of the team.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The 5 year deal showed he wasn't sure about staying.

That's not true at all. Matthews agreed to a 5 year deal (the most common post-ELC term in the cap era for a player like him) so that the team could be kept together.

 

[nuck]

Dubas: Fairly simply, I understand that some may look at it and say this group hasn’t gotten it done, thus why there has to be changes. For better or worse, I believe in this group. I believe that they are going to get it done and that they are going to win.
I understand that this comes with certain doubt because we have not broken through in the playoffs, but it is my belief that they will. I believe in them as players. I believe in them as people. I know that the decision lies on me and the risk is for me in going ahead that way.
I am comfortable with it. I believe we are going to see the best version of this group next season that we have seen yet. I am willing to bet everything on that.


The balls on this man pretty much saying, I won't trade anyone and if you want any of them traded you will have to fire me. Might be a mistake but I respect the balls and willingness to win his way.

Lets see if it cost him his job at the end of the season.

The language in his speeches is a bit ambiguous. Does he really mean a repeat of an almost identical lineup or is he just meaning the big 4? I don't think he will be gun shy at all about possibly making a deal around other regulars which might include Rielly, Kerfoot, Engval, or kids like Sandin, Lily, Robertson or a shiny Finn.. He saw changes that he wanted to make before the playoffs and I believe he still wants that sort of a lineup which this isn't without Hyman, Foligno, Nash and Jumbo. I don't think he can do all that with dollar store UFAs.

So does he wait to TDL and go for more rentals or will he find a way to add cheap but quality now? I don't think he can not make a deal.

 

[hamzarocks]

That's not true at all. Matthews agreed to a 5 year deal (the most common post-ELC term in the cap era for a player like him) so that the team could be kept together.

No that's what he said to make it look like he didn't sign one if the most player friendly contracts ever.

The team hasn't been kept around despite his "generousity" in taking 11.634 x 5 vs whatever he wanted in 8.

We had to move kapanen, AJ, Kadri and lost Gardiner, Andersen, Hyman via UFA with Rielly potentially joining that list

Matthews should have gotten 11.634 x 8. He was delusional in requesting that on a 5 year term and if we had a semi comptent GM he would have actually done his job and told him that he isn't worth that on a 5 year term and conducted a proper negotiation

 

[PromisedLand]

Rielly is going to walk as a UFA next season after Leafs fail to make the playoffs (highly likely) or get their ass handed to them in the 1st round again (very highly likely)

dubas' ass is gonna be canned; and leafs future is going to be even more bleak than it is today

 

[pucksakes666]

It’s frustrating they just blew a 3-1 series lead and he says stay the course most other gyms would say no one is safe from being traded.

 

[PromisedLand]

No that's what he said to make it look like he didn't sign one if the most player friendly contracts ever.

The team hasn't been kept around despite his "generousity" in taking 11.634 x 5 vs whatever he wanted in 8.

We had to move kapanen, AJ, Kadri and lost Gardiner, Andersen, Hyman via UFA with Rielly potentially joining that list

Matthews should have gotten 11.634 x 8. He was delusional in requesting that on a 5 year term and if we had a semi comptent GM he would have actually done his job and told him that he isn't worth that on a 5 year term and conducted a proper negotiation

Matthews wanted higher cap hit than McDavid for the 8 year deal. there were plenty of stories out there about it. hell dubas himself said after the matthews signing that the 8 year deal didn't work for the team (although he didnt give any numbers btw).