Will dubas ever try a major trade?

[HamiltonNHL]

Yea, his Expected Good Contracts/60 is really really good.

This quote just gets better the more I read it.

If I ever get to interview Dubas (I won't), I'll be asking him about his EGC/60

 

[The90]

The GM was the one who acquired the players. Pretty bizarre POV that he's not accountable here. If you don't judge the GM by how the team performs then what do you judge him on? Expected wins? Expected cups? Expected corsi/fenwick?

Just seems awful scapegoat like when you have 90-100 point players playing to under a ppg pace. I don’t think he deserves no criticism. The Kadri trade is certainly one I would like back. But I think he can only provide the players he thinks will work out which is a gamble at best. When you have star players playing to a middle 6 quality, that’s on them not him. And he’ll likely need to move one of them because of it

 

[HamiltonNHL]

When you have star players playing to a middle 6 quality, that’s on them not him. And he’ll likely need to move one of them

He overpaid them all except UFA Tavares.

He signed the contracts.

He's a big part of the blame.

Bridging Marner was the easiest GM move ever and he didn't do it.

 

[paulhiggins]

...As far as I’m concerned the last 2 years have been on the players, not gm for why they lost. This year especially.

Dubas, players and coaching staff all to blame. You can also include Shanny. But the higher ups are the ones with the responsibility to fix things when they're not working, and they're not working in the playoffs. Now Dubas needs to realize that changes are needed and get rid of one of the cap anchors so he has the flexibility to fix the team's depth which is sorely lacking.

 

[The90]

Dubas, players and coaching staff all to blame. You can also include Shanny. But the higher ups are the ones with the responsibility to fix things when they're not working, and they're not working in the playoffs. Now Dubas needs to realize that changes are needed and get rid of one of the cap anchors so he has the flexibility to fix the team's depth which is sorely lacking.

I don’t disagree. But the depth took them to game 7 no thanks to the top end guys. Depth wasn’t the issue. The top end guys who didn’t produce was the issue. Dubas did address the depth.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don’t disagree. But the depth took them to game 7 no thanks to the top end guys. Depth wasn’t the issue. The top end guys who didn’t produce was the issue. Dubas did address the depth.

Dubas is the one who overpaid the top end guys.

 

[GoonieFace]

Muzzin
Campbell
Barrie
Kerfoot
Foligno
Ceci
Clifford
Nash
Rittich
Petan
Malgin
Anderson
Vehviläinen

Kadri
Kapanen
Brown
Johnsson
Zaitsev
Marleau
Leivo
Lehtonen
Moore
Timashov


In 3yrs so far.

looks like a list of things you bring to the dump

 

[The90]

Dubas is the one who overpaid the top end guys.

Again, I agree. But, if the top end guys produced, regardless of contract, this isn’t as much of an issue they’re overpaid by a few million combined

 

[ShaneFalco]

Again, I agree. But, if the top end guys produced, regardless of contract, this isn’t as much of an issue they’re overpaid by a few million combined

Marner alone is overpaid by 2-3

 

[The90]

Marner alone is overpaid by 2-3

Agree. But only Because he doesn’t produce in the playoffs. But if he maintained the same ppg In The playoffs we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

 

[egd27]

I don’t disagree. But the depth took them to game 7 no thanks to the top end guys. Depth wasn’t the issue. The top end guys who didn’t produce was the issue. Dubas did address the depth.

Aside from Spezza's 3, the Leafs got 1 ES goal from their "depth" forwards. (and you could argue the Kerfoot was playing top 6. so it would be zero)

 

[All Mod Cons]

Agree. But only Because he doesn’t produce in the playoffs. But if he maintained the same ppg In The playoffs we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

If I was your mother's brother, I'd be your uncle.

 

[The90]

Aside from Spezza's 3, the Leafs got 1 ES goal from their "depth" forwards. (and you could argue the Kerfoot was playing top 6. so it would be zero)

So we’re limiting ‘depth’ to forwards and also excluding kerfoot (who was thrust into a bigger role as a DEPTH player, and played well in that position lol), and for some reason excluding the players who scored who get <15 minutes a night and no prime powerplay time. Makes sense.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Dubas is the one who overpaid the top end guys.

Except he didn't, and that was irrelevant to the point anyway.

 

[egd27]

So we’re limiting ‘depth’ to forwards and also excluding kerfoot (who was thrust into a bigger role as a DEPTH player, and played well in that position lol), and for some reason excluding the players who scored who get <15 minutes a night and no prime powerplay time. Makes sense.

Well I typically don't expect offence from "depth" defenceman.

You were the one that stated "But the depth took them to game 7 " I was defining depth as non Top 6 F or Top 4 D. What's your definition?

* I included Kerfoot's on ES goal in the first sentence. So sure, leave him in the "depth" group and my initial statement stands........Aside from Spezza's 3, the Leafs got 1 ES goal from their "depth" forwards.

No ES goals from "depth" defencemen.

 

[The90]

Well I typically don't expect offence from "depth" defenceman.

You were the one that stated "But the depth took them to game 7 " I was defining depth as non Top 6 F or Top 4 D. What's your definition?

* I included Kerfoot's on ES goal in the first sentence. So sure, leave him in the "depth" group and my initial statement stands........Aside from Spezza's 3, the Leafs got 1 ES goal from their "depth" forwards.

No ES goals from "depth" defencemen.

Is people not expected to score not literally what depth is?

You’re splitting hairs here

 

[egd27]

Is people not expected to score not literally what depth is?

You’re splitting hairs here

So what did you mean by "But the depth took them to game 7 " ?

Please define what you mean by "depth" (examples would help) and illustrate how it took them to Game 7

 

[Racer88]

I'd give him yet another year if he fails in spectacular fashion.

Ya. As much as I want him gone he has already cast the dice that has set us on a bad path with the short contract for Matthews so I guess 1 more year isn’t going to make much difference

 

[The90]

So what did you mean by "But the depth took them to game 7 " ?

Please define what you mean by "depth" (examples would help) and illustrate how it took them to Game 7

You serious? kerfoot spezza Muzzin (who plays no pp and is not expected to score), Thornton at this point, Brodie who is not an offensive contributor, galchenyuk, sandin. 9/18 goals scored were from depth players, you can split those hairs all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that the top end guys didn’t perform. That’s the problem. Not the depth.

 

[Racer88]

Marner is over paid by 4 million and they didn’t need to spend 11 million on Tavares when they have so many other pressing needs……total mismanagement

 

[Gary Nylund]

Again, I agree. But, if the top end guys produced, regardless of contract, this isn’t as much of an issue they’re overpaid by a few million combined

But they didn't produce.

Agree. But only Because he doesn’t produce in the playoffs. But if he maintained the same ppg In The playoffs we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Only in the playoffs? Seriously? The playoffs are what really counts so how is the word "only" appropriate here? It sounds like you're trying to minimize Marner's suckage by saying "only" the playoffs, how does that make sense? You're right, if Marner had produced in the playoffs we wouldn't be having the discussion but guess what, that's the entire point! Marner has been subpar in the playoffs for a number of years and based on that, he's overpaid by "a few million" all on his own.

But it really doesn't matter which players you want to single out, this is Dubas's team now and what counts is how the team performs and the playoffs, this team has been a massive underachieving failure. You can dance around this simple fact but the fact remains.

 

[egd27]

You serious? kerfoot spezza Muzzin (who plays no pp and is not expected to score), Thornton at this point, Brodie who is not an offensive contributor, galchenyuk, sandin. 9/18 goals scored were from depth players, you can split those hairs all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that the top end guys didn’t perform. That’s the problem. Not the depth.

I don't consider 20 minute a night players as "depth"
Sandin & Thornton got a PP goal each
Galch, Engvall, Foligno, Simmonds, Brooks, Mikheyev & Kerfoot combined for 1 goal.

You are correct that the top end forwards (aside from Nylander) didn't perform, and I would also say the depth forwards (aside from Spezza) didn't either.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't consider 20 minute a night players as "depth"
Sandin & Thornton got a PP goal each
Galch, Engvall, Foligno, Simmonds, Brooks, Mikheyev & Kerfoot combined for 1 goal.

You are correct that the top end forwards (aside from Nylander) didn't perform, and I would also say the depth forwards (aside from Spezza) didn't either.

But let's not give Spezza some more minutes, those belong to Joe

 

[Racer88]

But let's not give Spezza some more minutes, those belong to Joe

Noooooooooooooo

 

[ShaneFalco]

Noooooooooooooo

Just in the playoffs I meant when nobody was generating anything