Player Discussion Will Borgen

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think Lyndhurst and Wallington are in Borgen County

 

[its not that serious]

I don't know what to make of Borgen as a Ranger yet really because two games is too early to decide anything, good or bad. Period. Especially on a team that's already such a mess.

But he reminds me of Mikkola, who found a fit on a good team, in Florida. Upside is a useful depth guy, in that mold? If the team doesn't implode further, maybe we'll see it.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

Borgen f***ing blows bro. He’s literally, a bigger and quicker Lindgren. No puck skills. I guess he’s fine as a third pairing guy with Jones? I think my issue isn’t necessarily the player, but rather seeing pizza bitch go full potato right before Xmas with this being the main return for Kakko.

Agreed, still, this return might as well be like getting Makar compared to the Buch trade, so he's at least trending up

 

[ReddestRum]

I don't know what to make of Borgen as a Ranger yet really because two games is too early to decide anything, good or bad. Period. Especially on a team that's already such a mess.

But he reminds me of Mikkola, who found a fit on a good team, in Florida. Upside is a useful depth guy, in that mold? If the team doesn't implode further, maybe we'll see it.

Borgen has depth all right. So much depth that he's been at the bottom of the depth charts for the last two Ranger shellackings.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Not a fan. Move him for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

[will1066]

Guy chokeslammed a Bolt without taking a penalty. What does he have to do to be assimilated?

 

[mas0764]

Can we flip him for a first yet?

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know what to make of Borgen as a Ranger yet really because two games is too early to decide anything, good or bad. Period. Especially on a team that's already such a mess.

But he reminds me of Mikkola, who found a fit on a good team, in Florida. Upside is a useful depth guy, in that mold? If the team doesn't implode further, maybe we'll see it.

Mikkola always had a pretty decent statistical backing of driving shots, goals, and chances away from his own net.

In his last couple of years with Seattle, and so far with us, Borgen does not.

 

[NYRKing]

Deserves a bump.

He’s been playing very well.

Good fit with KAM.

Earning praise from the staff and the media. Definitely a big reason for the turn around so far.

 

[NYR Viper]

I said this before but he plays a simple effective game. He’s unlikely to break the bank on his next deal too. Very likely is going to make less than Kakko and he likely gets a 4-5 year deal at somewhere in the mid-3’s, maybe high 3’s.

 

[will1066]

I'm just f***ing done with Trouba Girl if she doesn't mod her denim jacket to Borgen.

 

[Jack Hanson]

The bright white mouthguard is a trip. He's panning out so well, seems to have fun out there, big physical guy who skates well, clears the puck, super tough and no one gets under his skin. He and Vaak are just great additions to our defense.

 

[gump116]

I said this before but he plays a simple effective game. He’s unlikely to break the bank on his next deal too. Very likely is going to make less than Kakko and he likely gets a 4-5 year deal at somewhere in the mid-3’s, maybe high 3’s.

If he plays like this, that’s more than reasonable for #4-5 RHD, who’s physical, defensively responsible and has a game that can play in the playoffs. Especially with a rising cap it’s pretty low risk even if he ends up on the third pair.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You guys think he might be the Stralman diamond in the rough type that we've been missing?

 

[NYR Viper]

You guys think he might be the Stralman diamond in the rough type that we've been missing?

I’d be ecstatic if he can turn in to a 5-7 year version of Klein

 

[NYR2007]

Anyone know realistically what it would take to sign him ?

I forget that site that usually has RFA and UFA salary projections

 

[nyr2k2]

Anyone know realistically what it would take to sign him ?

I forget that site that usually has RFA and UFA salary projections

I don't have an answer to your question, but I do want to add that projections are going to be tough right now because with the cap going up a good amount next season, and possibly considerably more over the next couple of seasons, it's possible that salaries jump. So until we start seeing some signings it will be hard to know for sure. All it takes is one team to go off the rails and it screws up the whole market.

My hope for Borgen is like 3Y/12M or something but I literally have no idea at this point. Someone could offer him $5 or more if the market got crazy.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don't have an answer to your question, but I do want to add that projections are going to be tough right now because with the cap going up a good amount next season, and possibly considerably more over the next couple of seasons, it's possible that salaries jump. So until we start seeing some signings it will be hard to know for sure. All it takes is one team to go off the rails and it screws up the whole market.

My hope for Borgen is like 3Y/12M or something but I literally have no idea at this point. Someone could offer him $5 or more if the market got crazy.

He has really opened some eyes. A month ago some people on HF spoke of him as a throw in or an afterthought. Glad he is making an impact.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Don’t sign him. Disaster written all over it

 

[noncents]

Don’t sign him. Disaster written all over it

say more. there's a wide swath of opinions on him here. LokiDog is with you - thinks he's strictly a 3rd pairing guy. Snowblind sees him easily as a 2nd pair.

What's a fair contract for Borgen and what's a likely contract?

Walker got 6x3.6 in a no tax state. Borgen getting 5x3.75 (with a 15 team no trade moving to 8 in his last two years) would be fair imo. He's a tweezer 2nd/3rd pair guy but adds a nice physical element and he can skate.

Unfortunately i think NYR would sign him to 4x5mm with more aggressive clauses. They have shown themselves to be victims of sunk cost fallacy. They traded Kakko for him, they need to sign him - to pay him as if he's worth more is a perverse justification for the trade. That's how this team operates.

With the cap going up, is that extra 1.5mm a backbreaker? In a vacuum, no. But in the context of what Mika Shesterkin are making, very possibly a problem.

 

[will1066]

Don’t sign him. Disaster written all over it

Don't worry. It's not out of realm of possibility for Drury and management to knowingly let go a good thing in pursuit of something else

 

[DanielBrassard]

I just wonder what the plan is on the right side if they do re-sign Borgen. Is Schneider a 3rd pair D for the foreseeable future? Is Schneider moving to the other side? It would complicate things a bit.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

say more. there's a wide swath of opinions on him here. LokiDog is with you - thinks he's strictly a 3rd pairing guy. Snowblind sees him easily as a 2nd pair.

What's a fair contract for Borgen and what's a likely contract?

Walker got 6x3.6 in a no tax state. Borgen getting 5x3.75 (with a 15 team no trade moving to 8 in his last two years) would be fair imo. He's a tweezer 2nd/3rd pair guy but adds a nice physical element and he can skate.

Unfortunately i think NYR would sign him to 4x5mm with more aggressive clauses. They have shown themselves to be victims of sunk cost fallacy. They traded Kakko for him, they need to sign him - to pay him as if he's worth more is a perverse justification for the trade. That's how this team operates.

With the cap going up, is that extra 1.5mm a backbreaker? In a vacuum, no. But in the context of what Mika Shesterkin are making, very possibly a problem.

He’s fine. He’s not great and I don’t think he’ll age well. Everyone we extend turns to shit immediately.

He’s a 3rd pair guy we can replace/ upgrade on easily.

If Drury wasnt incompetent we would have been in on Walker/Roy/Chychrun last summer .

 

[NickyFotiu]

I just wonder what the plan is on the right side if they do re-sign Borgen. Is Schneider a 3rd pair D for the foreseeable future? Is Schneider moving to the other side? It would complicate things a bit.

Is it possible people are making too much about the pairings order? I kind of see Lavi's logic. He is not trying to put the best D only on the top. He is trying to find the best matchups and even out the pairings so that we do not have sucky pairings. He may think that KAM is better than Lindy or Schneider is better than Borgs but he wants his pairings to have some balance.

 

[noncents]

Is it possible people are making too much about the pairings order? I kind of see Lavi's logic. He is not trying to put the best D only on the top. He is trying to find the best matchups and even out the pairings so that we do not have sucky pairings. He may think that KAM is better than Lindy or Schneider is better than Borgs but he wants his pairings to have some balance.

this is all well and good, but it's not about deployment (outside of the Lindgren dilemma). it's about cap allotment. Who is getting paid?