Waived: Wild waive Teemu Pulkkinen (cleared)

[Artorius Horus T]

He's absolutely clueless without the puck and he can't hit the net with his great shot.

You know,back in the day
(if anyone is old enough to remember that far).
they used to say same thing about one Brett Hull

It just needs one coach who; believes Pulkcannon 100%
It just needs one center who; haves the same hockey IQ
in offensive zone,which creates impeccable chemistry.

This happened to Brett Hull and we all know what happened,
is Pulkkinen going to be Brett Hull? no, not in million years,
he could "easily*" score half of what Hull did and that,
would be pretty impressive.

* no one can do jack, easily, in the NHL

 

[Henkka]

Someone needs to do a where are they now version of Kenny Holland's draft picks over the last 10 to 15 years. For the one thing he's supposed to excell at he's been bloody ****ing awful.

NEWSFLASH:
Most of his draft picks play for Detroit Red Wings.

I think it's the highest percentage of all organizations:

Zetterberg
Nyquist
Abdelkader
Tatar
Larkin
Sheahan
Helm
Jurco
Athanasiou
Mantha
Glendening (Local free agent, not drafted but kind of own boy)
Vanek, UFA
Ott, UFA
Miller, waiver-claim at 2010

DeKeyser (Local free agent, not drafted but kind of own boy)
Kronwall
Ericsson
Marchenko
Smith
Ouellet
Sproul
Green, UFA

Mrazek
Howard
Coreau (Local free agent, not drafted but kind of own boy)

 

[Syckle78]

I look at Pulkkinen's relative corsi stats and he seems to make everyone around him better, by a significant amount. Even Pavel Datsyuk had 63.4% 5v5 corsi with Pulkkinen, 57.0% without(Pulkkinen had 56.5% without Datsyuk so it wouldn't be a case of carrying). 0.33 PPG for a 4th liner also is much higher than league average, it's a legitimate top 9 scoring rate and this with miserable ice time.

I feel like he deserved a fair shot at a top 6 role.

This says more about how stats can be interpreted than it does pulkkinen. Sometimes when you see something like this you gotta stop and say something must be wrong here. Pulks did absolutely nothing to help datsyuk.

 

[tfong]

This says more about how stats can be interpreted than it does pulkkinen. Sometimes when you see something like this you gotta stop and say something must be wrong here. Pulks did absolutely nothing to help datsyuk.

Pulks fired alot of shots to his credit, so that really ups corsi. Thats what corsi doesn't show you and that wasted shots or low percentage shots.

Granted I think Pulks needs more ice time though to figure stuff out, I still think his cannon (when shooting with confidence) is really good.

 

[Henkka]

This says more about how stats can be interpreted than it does pulkkinen. Sometimes when you see something like this you gotta stop and say something must be wrong here. Pulks did absolutely nothing to help datsyuk.

He did shoot the puck a lot (wide and on the blocker). 50% went through. That looks good on Corsi For.

He also was sheltered from defensive zone starts. That also looks good on Corsi against.

Both together, make him look absolutely great on relative CorsiFor%.

 

[Artorius Horus T]

Teemu Pulkkinen haves great "hidden" potential in him
i really hope someone can dig it out of him.

Who can hit the puck like this,can't be a bad player.
Yeah,i know,its the AHL,but still.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r63LTegR8PU&feature=youtu.be

 

[Handlanger]

Any chance Minnesota could take Pulkkinen? He has a lot of history playing with Mikael Granlund. Both of them might be wingers now but it would make sense to try them in same line anyways.

I guess Minnesota would be interested, in need of scoring wingers (or potential ones). But I guess he will be claimed before MIN is in the line...

 

[Hagged]

According to HockeyAnalysis, it only has 1 % unit's effect on his Fenwick % so I doubt it has 3 % units' effect on his Corsi %. And it's nowhere near enough to offset something like: Larkin with Pulkkinen 54.0%, Pulkkinen without Larkin 59.0%, Larkin without Pulkkinen 51.7% considering that the zone start %s when together are 59.4%, Pulkkinen apart 69.1% and Larkin apart 60.8%. The effect isn't that high.

Correct, Pulkkinen's FF%, when adjusted for zone starts, drops by 1.5 percentage points and as such it has a total 2.6% effect in Pulkkinens Corsi.

But you are right, Pulkkinen's main effect on 5on5 seems to be a general drop in fenwick against as the fenwick for seems to remain pretty much the same with Pulkkinen there or not.

It would be interesting to see ZS%, QoC, QoT and shot quality corrected stats. But I'm not sure they are listed anywhere.

 

[WhatASaveDave]

welcome to chicago

 

[Hagged]

Don't worry, the quality of the video follows his development curve. Get's better as the time goes on.

 

[ijuka]

This says more about how stats can be interpreted than it does pulkkinen. Sometimes when you see something like this you gotta stop and say something must be wrong here. Pulks did absolutely nothing to help datsyuk.

Well, this is a very recurring theme for all of Pulkkinen's partners and throughout his entire NHL career. Maybe he does something. Maybe he doesn't. But the information I have available says that he definitely does.

 

[ijuka]

Pulks fired alot of shots to his credit, so that really ups corsi. Thats what corsi doesn't show you and that wasted shots or low percentage shots.

Granted I think Pulks needs more ice time though to figure stuff out, I still think his cannon (when shooting with confidence) is really good.

5v5 2015-2016:

His Corsi for was higher than team average and his corsi against was even more high when compared to team average. Overall +6.4% compared to the rest of the team.

His Fenwick for was even higher in comparison and his Fenwick against was much higher in comparison. Something we could draw off this: More shots were blocked by Pulkkinen's team when he was on the ice. Overall +8.9% compared to the rest of the team.

His Shots for still was significantly higher than team average, however his shots against was in fact extremely low. On average, the team faced 29.82 shots per 60 minutes, but only 22.20 when Pulkkinen was on the ice. And again, the zone start-adjusted numbers don't come even close to making up for this difference. Overall +9.5% compared to the rest of the team.


These metrics are really good through and through. Also, his 5v5 Goals for % was 60.00%, which ranks 43rd among every single forward on NHL.



His metrics were really good during the 2014-2015 season as well and there we already have a 67 game sample size. It should be significant enough.

 

[Seedling]

Go Carolina!

 

[Mark Kandy]

Go Carolina!

After claiming Frk they fell 30th out of 30th on the priority list so I don't think Pulkki will still be available at their rank!

 

[reginawing]

Pully on Waivers

Pully has a great shot but so far has not been able to score at the NHL level. Otto has played well and beat Pully out of the 12 th spot plus AA is making it hard to send him down but they will because they can.

 

[Brock Anton]

ex-Red Wing AND a Finn? Yep, this is all Carolina.

 

[Tasteslikekevinbacon]

Good luck Pulky. Hopefully he finds someone who can better nurture his ability. Guy has his short comings as a player but dang he ran rip it.

 

[Hagged]

5v5 2015-2016:

His Corsi for was higher than team average and his corsi against was even more high when compared to team average. Overall +6.4% compared to the rest of the team.

His Fenwick for was even higher in comparison and his Fenwick against was much higher in comparison. Something we could draw off this: More shots were blocked by Pulkkinen's team when he was on the ice. Overall +8.9% compared to the rest of the team.

His Shots for still was significantly higher than team average, however his shots against was in fact extremely low. On average, the team faced 29.82 shots per 60 minutes, but only 22.20 when Pulkkinen was on the ice. And again, the zone start-adjusted numbers don't come even close to making up for this difference. Overall +9.5% compared to the rest of the team.


These metrics are really good through and through. Also, his 5v5 Goals for per 60 was 60.00%, which ranks 43rd among every single forward on NHL.

Yes, very promising stats, but

He played very few minutes with short average shifts with very high amount of offensive zone starts with high quality team mates against low quality opponents. All of these factors weigh in positively for Corsi, and while we don't KNOW how much it affects it, it does.

One thing is for certain, similarly to 2013 Sami Vatanen, Pulkkinen isn't a possession beast, it becomes evident by watching him play.

He isn't a black hole defensively, he is even above average. But what he isn't, is for example making Datsyuk fare better in puck possession by being there for him. He is giving Datsyuk easier starts and easier competition AND adequate puck support.

He isn't bleeding defensively, he is looking good with his minutes. But those minutes are heavily sheltered and shouldn't be compared for example for RoR's minutes, who has considerably worse Corsi than Pulkkinen.

Let's make an example of the other end of the spectrum:

You like your Finns don't you. Look at Ristolainen's "effect on team mates Corsi". You'll notice a trend that EVERY ONE does worse with Ristolainen. Is it because he is worse at defence than Pulkkinen, or is because of the type of minutes Risto plays with one of the worst "1st pairing D's" as his pair in Gorges. Everyone who plays with Risto gets to play with average QoT against highest of the highest QoC with few or no offensive zone starts.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

hope the Leafs get him, then it'd be like we got Laine after all

 

[Seedling]

After claiming Frk they fell 30th out of 30th on the priority list so I don't think Pulkki will still be available at their rank!

So there it still a chance?

 

[JurassicTunga]

Flames should take a chance on him. Need wingers.

 

[OCPenguin]

I think Pulkkinen gets claimed, almost without a doubt. I'd like to see the Pens put in a claim on him.

We don't need him. We have enough bottom six guys that have been more successful then him. I think Pens fans have a weird fascination with this guy based on one all-star performance in a game against us the last two years.

 

[Hagged]

Where can you find the current priority list.

It would be interesting to list potential teams claiming him.

 

[izlez]

Man, with guys like amazing advanced stats like Pulkinnen and Smith as our 6th defenseman and waived, it's surprising we haven't won Stanley Cup after Stanley Cup.

Or at least package them together for Drew Doughty. Holland is terrible.





Or maybe people read a little too much into advanced stats and just need to see when a guy isn't very good.

 

[Henkka]

Yes, very promising stats, but

He played very few minutes with short average shifts with very high amount of offensive zone starts with high quality team mates against low quality opponents. All of these factors weigh in positively for Corsi, and while we don't KNOW how much it affects it, it does.

One thing is for certain, similarly to 2013 Sami Vatanen, Pulkkinen isn't a possession beast, it becomes evident by watching him play.

He isn't a black hole defensively, he is even above average. But what he isn't, is for example making Datsyuk fare better in puck possession by being there for him. He is giving Datsyuk easier starts and easier competition AND adequate puck support.

He isn't bleeding defensively, he is looking good with his minutes. But those minutes are heavily sheltered and shouldn't be compared for example for RoR's minutes, who has considerably worse Corsi than Pulkkinen.

Let's make an example of the other end of the spectrum:

You like your Finns don't you. Look at Ristolainen's "effect on team mates Corsi". You'll notice a trend that EVERY ONE does worse with Ristolainen. Is it because he is worse at defence than Pulkkinen, or is because of the type of minutes Risto plays with one of the worst "1st pairing D's" as his pair in Gorges. Everyone who plays with Risto gets to play with average QoT against highest of the highest QoC with few or no offensive zone starts.

Nice examples. Somebody is finally understanding advanced stats and their meaning. They tell a lot more just about player usage, than exact level of effort.