Proposal: Wild sell-off

[Digitalbooya]

Draisaitl+1st 2019+Lucic

for

Granlund+Spurgeon+Foligno

Which side says no? Maybe the better question is does either side say yes? I'll attempt a justification.

Basics: 1C+top 15 pick+cap dump for 1RW+1D+4LW (salary purposes)

Edmonton: McDavid+Granlund would be scary good. Spurgeon instantly becomes the #1 d-man and would pair up nicely with Klefbom. Foligno fills the LW spot that Lucic "filled."

Minnesota: Based on more long-term success. They would have their #1 center signed for 6 more seasons and he's only 23. Add a top 10-15 pick this year. Take on Lucic's awful contract as an incentive for Edmonton to do the trade.

 

[MyBudJT]

I think they’d have more interest in Spurgeon.

Difficult to see what they’d want to give up though, Liljegren and maybe Johnsson?

I don't... I don't think we need more offensive D-men... A defensive guy would be more beneficial.

 

[Bazeek]

I don't... I don't think we need more offensive D-men... A defensive guy would be more beneficial.

Spurgeon's both.

 

[2Pair]

I don't... I don't think we need more offensive D-men... A defensive guy would be more beneficial.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Deals I'd be looking for or something similar

Spurgeon - top 6 center, potential top 6 center + 1st
Coyle - 1st+, middle 6 right shot center
Staal - 1st+2nd
Brodin - 2nd line center
Granlund - top line center or right winger (60+ points)
Dubnyk - goalie of the future+top d prospect

 

[IceBoxHockey]

I don't... I don't think we need more offensive D-men... A defensive guy would be more beneficial.

Thankfully for us Spurgeon is probably better defensively than he is offensively.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

The only disagreement I have is that I do think Fenton should be assessing how much he wants to commit to guys like Granlund, Zucker and Spurgeon long term. Zucker's NTC kicks in this year, and Spurgeon and Granlund will require extensions after next year, neither of which will be cheap. Those are probably the best pieces he has to fill whatever organizational holes he thinks we have, and before July 1st, 2019 would be the time to move one of them if he's going to.

Other than that, I agree. Being ****-awful for a year and trying to pick up some extra picks would hardly be the worst thing that could happen to the Wild. But tearing the whole team down to bare metal is premature and probably a not a recipe for success anyway.

Technically I'm not allowed to say any of that in this thread though, so shhhh.

And then comes the rub, where not having those two open up considerable organizational holes in their respective spots.

 

[CupInSIX]

to Columbus:
Devan Dubnyk

to Florida:
Bobrovski (re-signed 8x6.5m)

to Minnesota:
CBJ 2nd 2019
FLA 3rd 2019

 

[IceBoxHockey]

to Columbus:
Devan Dubnyk

to Florida:
Bobrovski (re-signed 8x6.5m)

to Minnesota:
CBJ 2nd 2019
FLA 3rd 2019

Ignoring the awful value, we trade away our starting goaltender without a replacement even close to ready? Makes sense.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Ignoring the awful value, we trade away our starting goaltender without a replacement even close to ready? Makes sense.

It does in a "sell off" scenario, which this is.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

It does in a "sell off" scenario, which this is.

I get that. But, even in a rebuilding scenario trading Dubnky without some form of replacement makes no sense.

 

[UConn126]

Heinen+3rd for Staal.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I get that. But, even in a rebuilding scenario trading Dubnky without some form of replacement makes no sense.

You'd deal with it later. Trade one of the mid-round picks that you get in the Staal/Granlund/Spurgeon/Coyle packages for a stop-gap and wait out Kahkonen or goalie yet to be drafted.

I don't think it makes much sense either, but I also don't think that selling off Granlund, Spurgeon, Dubnyk makes sense right now either.

 

[CupInSIX]

I get that. But, even in a rebuilding scenario trading Dubnky without some form of replacement makes no sense.

If it's a scorched earth fire sale, they can look to get as much as they can at the deadline (Dubnyk to CBJ makes a lot of sense) and grab another goalie in a different trade. Or sign Lehner.

If they're looking to rebound next year, then Dubnyk shouldn't be moved at all anyway.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

I'm having a hard time understanding the point of the Wild having a sell off. I can see them looking at this season as a lost year, and I could see them attempting to move a couple older/fringe pieces to add a couple extra picks and free up a bit of cash for some off season moves but I don't see them selling off Granlund, Spurgeon, etc.

If I'm the wild management, I look to trade Staal, Foligno, Fehr, Pateryn, Hunt, Bitetto. I try to land as many draft picks as possible and then I get active in the off-season looking to go after a big name free agent and make some moves at the draft to move up? Use picks to bring in players that fall into the 22-26 year old range.

I don't think the Wild are at the scorched earth rebuild stage yet.

They’re not, but at some point a radical change has to be made to this team. I doubt both spurgeon and granlund get traded, but it wouldn’t surprise me if one did.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

If it's a scorched earth fire sale, they can look to get as much as they can at the deadline (Dubnyk to CBJ makes a lot of sense) and grab another goalie in a different trade. Or sign Lehner.

If they're looking to rebound next year, then Dubnyk shouldn't be moved at all anyway.

I think this is “too” scorched earth. I also think they could do better than a 2 and a 3 if they made him available.

 

[bernmeister]

I'd offer Victor Rask for either one.

pass thnx
too lateral + 2x term

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

HF Boards: Wild need to rebuild.

Also HF Boards: I’ll give you a warm bologna sandwich for Granlund

 

[TFHockey]

Deals I'd be looking for or something similar

Spurgeon - top 6 center, potential top 6 center + 1st
Coyle - 1st+, middle 6 right shot center
Staal - 1st+2nd
Brodin - 2nd line center
Granlund - top line center or right winger (60+ points)
Dubnyk - goalie of the future+top d prospect

Wow, those are some high prices.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Wow, those are some high prices.

What would you put the prices as?

 

[Sota Popinski]

Granlund and Brodin for the 3 home town Minnesota guys.....Poehling,Harris,Lindgren,and a second round pick......Granlund only has 1 year left after this season so Montreal would be taking a risk if thy could get him signed long term.

Is this a joke? Ridiculous.

 

[TFHockey]

What would you put the prices as?

Let's start by saying I'd take almost all of your available players on the Oilers.

I believe you're asking price of a 1st + a top D prospect for Dubnyk is way too much for a goaltender. Not a lot of goalies go for that in today's NHL.
A team like Calgary might give up a (late) 2020 1st.. but Flames fans might disagree with me.

If you're looking to trade Granlund you're not likely to get a Granlund back. Teams don't often trade someone like that... so this is the player I think you'd get a 1st + top prospect for.

Brodin might get a 2c. Not RNH, but someone might have a top 6 C or winger available.

Staal, as a 34 year old rental, might get a late 1st and another pick from a contender who feels they're close.

Coyle. Good prospect? And a pick? I don't know you'd get a 1st + a top 6 center. That's a lot. I like Coyle.

Spurgeon. Tough one. Legit top pairing D. Not often available. The only downside I see is that he isn't signed long term.

 

[Wildfan24]

I know its stupid for me to even ask but why cant the wild rebuild with parise and suter contracts? who cares if they are a cap hit of 15mil. doesnt a rebuild mean we trade players get younger and suck who dont need cap. if they dont like it ask for a trade and get the wild to retain. But for people who say the wild cant rebuild because of these 2 contracts i just dont get why.

 

[Bazeek]

I know its stupid for me to even ask but why cant the wild rebuild with parise and suter contracts? who cares if they are a cap hit of 15mil. doesnt a rebuild mean we trade players get younger and suck who dont need cap. if they dont like it ask for a trade and get the wild to retain. But for people who say the wild cant rebuild because of these 2 contracts i just dont get why.

Because it's easier to repeat what you've heard than to think.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Let's start by saying I'd take almost all of your available players on the Oilers.

I believe you're asking price of a 1st + a top D prospect for Dubnyk is way too much for a goaltender. Not a lot of goalies go for that in today's NHL.
A team like Calgary might give up a (late) 2020 1st.. but Flames fans might disagree with me.

If you're looking to trade Granlund you're not likely to get a Granlund back. Teams don't often trade someone like that... so this is the player I think you'd get a 1st + top prospect for.

Brodin might get a 2c. Not RNH, but someone might have a top 6 C or winger available.

Staal, as a 34 year old rental, might get a late 1st and another pick from a contender who feels they're close.

Coyle. Good prospect? And a pick? I don't know you'd get a 1st + a top 6 center. That's a lot. I like Coyle.

Spurgeon. Tough one. Legit top pairing D. Not often available. The only downside I see is that he isn't signed long term.

Basically the only one you've got a problem with is Dubnyk then? I dunno, starting goalies are a mystery box as to what they will return.

Granlund would have to get a high end prospect back in a trade like that and have the 1st be at least top 20. 65-70 pt players rarely get traded for unknowns.

Coyle, what are you talking about 1st+top 6 center? I said 1st+, middle 6 center. Meaning, either a 1st+ or a middle 6 center. Not both.