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Pronman came out with his U23 rankings.
Wild players:
14. Boldy
62. Rossi
66. Wallstedt (highest goalie ranked)
92. Stramel
108. Yurov
112. Faber
114. Marat K.
120. Bankier
163. Ohgren
Wild players:
14. Boldy
62. Rossi
66. Wallstedt (highest goalie ranked)
92. Stramel
108. Yurov
112. Faber
114. Marat K.
120. Bankier
163. Ohgren
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Dr Jan Itor
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Stramel above Yurov is a real head scratcher. I don’t see it 
Maybe I’ll see it this year I guess.
Maybe I’ll see it this year I guess.
Most had Faber above Yurov here, save for me and a few others. The closet to Faber was Rossi, whom is a crisp 50 spots high than Faber.
If HFWild isn’t triggered yet over the rankings, wait till they see who Pronman put above Boldy (#14) at #11.
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Wasted Talent
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I don't personally care about Caufield one way or another, but he kind of highlights how arbitrary Pronman's skill grades are. For example:
Caufield:
Skating: Average
Puck skills: Elite
Hockey sense: Average
Compete: Average
Shot: Elite
Cozens:
Skating: Average
Puck skills: Above average
Hockey sense: Above average
Compete: Above average
Shot: Above average
Based on these hockey skills, does it make any sense that Cozens is #6 and Caufield is #11? How is a guy who's merely "above average" at everything that high on the rankings? How is a guy with two elite grades outside top 10, when there are only 5 players with even one elite grade?
Some players don’t list shot for whatever reason. There’s also the part where Caufield is a 5’7” scoring winger and Cozens is a 6’3” two way center.
Boldy
Skating: Below Average
Puck Skills: High End
Hockey Sense: Above Average
Compete: Average
The only thing Boldy is listed as better at than Caufield is hockey sense. I’m guessing if shot was listed it would be average to below average. Takes me back to around February and all the arguments about his shot
Or earlier in the summer with TaLoN. Good times 
Nobody has ever said this. Wheeler’s rankings are usually a little more “out there” than Pronman’s, but can be a good tool.Love how Pronman and Wheeler are schlubs until they can be used to dunk on other posters.
When people were complaining about Stramel’s ranking vs Heidt’s ranking across all these different sites, I specifically pointed to these two and Bob MacKenzie. If I remember correctly, Pronman and Wheeler both had Stramel above Heidt and then MacKenzie had Heidt barely above Stramel. Those are the only three worth listening to IMO.
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I get that, but being a two way center who's above average at everything sounds like a 2nd liner at best. Is that really enough for the 6th best U23 players in the world? The compete skill grade sounds like it's basically tailor-made for two way centers and Cozens is not even high end at it.
I think even if you trust his judgment on players, you can place zero value in his skill grades. They are just completely arbitrary.
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I can agree that the skill card evaluations are flimsy at best. Like when I see this
Boldy
Skating: Below Average
Puck Skills: High End
Hockey Sense: Above Average
Compete: Average
Caufield:
Skating: Average
Puck skills: Elite
Hockey sense: Average
Compete: Average
Shot: Elite
Cozens:
Skating: Average
Puck skills: Above average
Hockey sense: Above average
Compete: Above average
Shot: Above average
That ultimately tells me 0 about how they'll end up comparing as NHL players. Based on these you'd probably make the case that Boldy is the worst of these three, and I would rather have Boldy than either Caufield or Cozens (I'm a Boldy homer though).
If I remember correctly, aren't they just designed to be at time of draft? Or does he change them through time?
He could be one of those players that does everything really well and master of nothing. Like a Koivu/Kesler type. I’m not sure, I don’t follow the Sabres. Pronman did mention his ability to kill penalties in the description. He also called him fast while listing him as an average skater. It honestly could be just that he goofed up his category ratings.
I think Boldy and Caufield’s category ratings are pretty spot on. I have a higher opinion of Caufield’s skating and Boldy’s compete, but it’s not worth arguing about. Close enough
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Looks like Yurov got almost 14 minutes of icetime, which is better than what I thought hew as going to get tbh. I saw the last 5 minutes of the game - only two of his shifts...his puck possession was the best in both shifts but he did seem to have some difficulty keeping the puck/winning board battles. Again, only two shifts.
Looks like Khus only got 8 minutes - thought he'd be a top liner this year but unsure of the politics/roster additions.
Looks like Khus only got 8 minutes - thought he'd be a top liner this year but unsure of the politics/roster additions.
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Butterfly effect in action. Galchenyuk drinks a little too much in Arizona, becomes Marat's team's 1C out of nowhere and Khusnutdinov's ice time goes down.
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I watched the 3rd for the SKA game and Khus only got two shifts that I saw, looked pretty good and nearly had a goal on one of the shifts after he made a good defensive play to start the transition and then teammate just barely failed to find him in the slot on a cross crease play.
It was a 1 goal game and there was special teams play in the final 10 minutes, but the coach really shortened the bench. Seemed like Tolchinsky is who they really leaned on, he looked extremely mediocre to me though so not sure its the best long term strategy for SKA.
Jbcraig1883
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Chucky is a waiver fodder quality NHL player at this point. Marat K not beating him out for a spot in the KHL is a little concerning.
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Is it concerning? AHL is roughly same tier league as KHL and Galchenyuk was PPG there last year.
BagHead
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I think this logic may be fine in broad strokes, but I don't think this logic quite works when speaking about specific players who are at different points in their careers. For instance, Mayhew was a way better AHL scorer than Brandon Duhaime, and probably still would be today if they were both still there, but Duhaime became the better NHL player and is near equal offensively at that level.
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