Why will this team not go all in?

[Hoglund4MvP]

We already went all in when we got Tavares for free.

Still waiting to see if Dubas can close. He gets a huge fat grade of F from me I honestly have no idea what we can claim as great from Dubas.

I mean how more spoiled do you need to be inheriting matthews marner nylander then having to give up ZERO draft capital when "going all in" for Tavares.

got lucky spent zero draft capital on our big move yet we still don't draft in 1st round And nothing good to show for why we didn't.

So many ways to show how backwards this team has been managed. Go all in by getting a new GM, not player.

 

[Menzinger]

The problem with going "all in" is ultimately there's no guaranteed set of moves a GM can do to ensure postseason success. The risk of getting burned is high. That said, if the smart move is there, the Leafs should bias trades to focus more on "win now" than *win later".

I also don't understand the focus on Chychrun in particular - the last thing this team needs is an offensive centric LHD.... Probably the position with the most depth on the organization.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Maybe if the team had advanced and shown they're really close to going all the way in the past couple years going all-in today would strike me as a better plan.
As it stands, while it would be interesting to see what managements idea of an all-in roster looks like i'm not sure i trust them to do so successfully.

 

[danny90]

They went all in 2021 and shit the bed against the worst team in the playoffs.

Why go all in on a team that can't get out of the first round?

Didn’t the “worst team in the playoffs” go to the finals?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Didn’t the “worst team in the playoffs” go to the finals?

Yeah. Playoffs seem to mean everything except when it doesn't because it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Should add a poll.
Would be interesting to see the levels of support for going all-in, or not.

 

[Mess]

Noting, it's July 22nd. There will still be changes before October when we play games. Then there will be 3-5 roster changes between October, and when we enter the playoffs. But people lack patience, and want everything done today.

More changes doesn't mean more success necessarily.

Leafs could trade a 1st round pick and 2 X 4ths for Nick Foligno, a 3rd for David Rittich, a 5th for Ben Hutton, a 6th for Riley Nash, and empty the draft pick cupboard of a complete draft class, at the trade deadline, making those 3-5 roster changes between October and when they enter the playoffs, heading into a 1st round battle against Montreal, and still not make it out of the 1st round.

Its really not about people lacking patience, and wanting everything done today, but more so been there and done that, and relying on past experince.

Be careful what you wish for, because more time and more patience and more changes coming still has already been proven wrong and not right, more times than one would care to admit,.

What you're doing is selling hope, and could make that very same post every summer at this very time trying to convince others, its still early days.. Asking others not to judge their own team on the concrete players you can see and evaluate right now, but rather attempting to convince them its still those magical missing unknown pieces yet to come that will be the difference makers, that you don't yet know of and lack of patience to wait for.

That sounds like advice one would give if they didn't have faith in what they see today, and still waiting for tomorrow to arrive with the answer,

 

[RoadWarrior]

Because this management team are idiots who cannot admit they made mistakes by overpaying Tavares and Marner and ignoring the goaltending position for years.

 

[Bomber0104]

Should add a poll.
Would be interesting to see the levels of support for going all-in, or not.

What does “all-in” even mean?

A 1st for Foligno to me was “all-in” for example..

Maybe others have a different idea of what that is but it’s not like our firsts are going to be worth much, and we also don’t have real blue-chips either…

 

[OVO16]

They went all-in when they signed John Tavares.

Unfortunately, his contract completely screwed us where we cant improve anywhere else because of the Flat cap.

The Tavares contract will continue to haunt the leafs.

 

[mapleleaf979]

They have gone all in every year since Dubas took over, he has failed miserably, starting with Tavares over Kadri when it wasnt needed and setting the standard of max money to everyone. He likes too many of the same players, obsessed with left shot d-men. Lybushkin was very under rated here, but he is gone now too. Dubas doesnt think big, heavy forwards matter, goaltending is a revolving door, etc etc. Leafs are the softest team in the league, since Dubas took over. Flashback of John Ferguson jr.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

What does “all-in” even mean?

A 1st for Foligno to me was “all-in” for example..

Maybe others have a different idea of what that is but it’s not like our firsts are going to be worth much, and we also don’t have real blue-chips either…

Depends who you ask i suppose. Adding Foligno struck me as more of a little boost. Then again with our constantly minimal cap space, maybe that's as all-in as possible.

 

[Buds17]

What does “all-in” even mean?

A 1st for Foligno to me was “all-in” for example..

Maybe others have a different idea of what that is but it’s not like our firsts are going to be worth much, and we also don’t have real blue-chips either…

It doesn't seem like something we could really do right now. I'd view the approach as having UFAs of significance already on the roster and trading for more of them in order to make that big push while simultaneously depleting the organization of its quality picks and/or prospects. The process might very well cause an organization to have to rebuild once it's either done (the UFAs all walk) or ultimately proven to be unsuccessful at propelling the team forward in a meaningful way.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Dubas' has truly scuttled this ship. You don't go all in until a team wins a round. You don't just lose five first rounds by fluke.He will be fired, a rebuild will be required and Mathews will want to win. Anyone not in denial can see it. He has no plan.Look closer. It's Hodge, lodge.

Hodge Podge sp

Hodge Podge sp

 

[Jeffrey Pedler]

We've basically gone all in every year. It's not like the old days when their was no salary cap and teams had multiple hall of famers.

 

[Stinger8]

Miller and Chychrun have been on the market since well before the trade deadline last year. Both have reasonable contracts many teams could fit in. 30 other GM are unwilling to meet the trade demands of Arizona and Vancouver. Doesn’t that tell you something?

That is a good point BUT GM's are supposed to be creative and know the players & prospects so well they take chances knowing their scouting is solid and a positive outcome should result. Get a third team maybe even a fourth involved, take a calculated gamble. Do something that is the job.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas makes several “all in” moves every year. I give him credit for not standing pat. They were real close last year to going on a run.

 

[MAB1]

There's no point in going all in with the randomness of the NHL playoffs, all you can do is make sure you have an elite team and try to minimize your weaknesses that playoff teams can exploit. Leaf fans remember Dubas loading up during the Canadian division season but other teams have done it only to fail. The Pens during the lockout year loaded up with Iginla + only to get swept by the Bruins in the playoffs (same playoffs that the Bruins came back from 4-1 against the Leafs in game 7). Fast-forward a couple seasons later and they get Kessel and win back-to-back cups. I think most Leaf fans would tell you that Iginla plays a more "playoff brand" of hockey and yet they got swept with him, and won back-to-back with a player most Leaf fans thought you couldn't win with while he was here because he doesn't "compete" or "play physical".

For the Caps and Avs, they couldn't get out of the 2nd round for the longest time until they finally broke through, for the Leafs it's the first round. Is that one round difference really enough for a decent chunk of y'all complaining about going all-in?

 

[ShaneFalco]

Malgin isnt all in?

 

[deprw]

We had the worst rebuild in history.

We were worse than Buffalo Sabres?

 

[deprw]

We might have the chance to "go all-in" this year. If we can be the Florida or Colorado of next season and both end results are possible. Also there is a chance that we go down a bit and then going all-in might not be the right thing to do.

Have to also remember that in Colorado they're pretty happy with their decision and Florida lost tons and tons of futures.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Because Dubas doesn't have the balls for change. I have been supportive of him for the most part but his loyalty to players hurts this team.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

The 5 year plan had much more pain involved we were fortunate cursed to have such a quick turn around after drafting.mathews. could have been able to draft the next few waves but we returned to form a year after being one of the worst.

5 year plan had us as a fringe bubble team at year 5 not 4 years near the top of the league

If we dont make the playoffs vs the caps how much capital would we have reeped trading all the pending ufas that season alone

Always will be buts and ifs but this is.where we are now

I could summarize your post by saying that we weren't patient. We were fortunate to have the #1 overall when we drafted Matthews, and started having success resulting in going a different direction where the plan didn't matter anymore.

So, the more things are different, the more they are the same. It's same old, same old. Leafs have always tried buying their way to the Cup versus building. We then further blew our load acquiring the $11m Tavares, and weren't able to sign our stars to eight (8) year contracts.

Like I said, same old, same old.

And, you'd think fellow Bud fans would be tired of the pathetic "we got Tavares for free" by now. Cap space is extremely valuable, so its definitely NOT free.

So, we tinker with the edges of the lineup because we can't doing anything because of our cap structure. Not surprisingly, that doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[Racer88]

The simple fact that they need to “go all in “ just to win a single round is depressing enough.
with this star studded core unable to win even 1 round in the last 6 years says this is not the group to do another all in.

 

[deprw]

The simple fact that they need to “go all in “ just to win a single round is depressing enough.
with this star studded core unable to win even 1 round in the last 6 years says this is not the group to do another all in.

Last decade we have played SC finalist of the East four times on first round. You have to go back two decades to find a record like that (Nashville Predators) and you can go back three decades and you still find that same amount of teams that have done that. Nashville Predators and Toronto Maple Leafs.